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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:17 AM
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Director of movie War Room - The Clip Is Doctored!!!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

Pennebaker: Clip Doctoered


I just spoke to D.A. Pennebaker, the director of "The War Room," who said his film had been doctored to produce a widely-viewed YouTube clip.

In a clip from his film on the 1992 Clinton campaign, posted to YouTube today, Clinton advisor Mickey Kantor is -- according to subtitles -- seen referring to Indianans with an expletive and to his colleague George Stephanopolous with a racial slur.

"He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.

"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

The second expletive, he said, appeared to have been entirely fabricated, with new audio dubbed onto the original movie.

Pennebaker appeared surprised and amused by the video.

"A thousand people saw that film in theaters and didn't think" the second expletive had been used, he said. "It's very clearly understandable. It's not like it was in Bulgarian."

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:18 AM
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1. K & R, some truth for a change.
:kick:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:19 AM
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2. America has had ENOUGH of people in postitions of power denying what is there for all to see
NO MORE!

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:19 AM
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3. Hey Eddie Shultz, Yer about to get sued!
Ya should have checked the source
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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14. No way, was Schultz really flogging this???
OMG, a lot of red faces out there, I'll bet.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:30 AM
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33. big ed ......

has made an A** of himself so many times. Recall he the one who
was ticked off at Hillary for not appearing on this show--so he went
into a hate hillary rant and has not stopped since.



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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM
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4. I think that's the final word on that.
We don't need to be playing these type of tactics. The Clintons have enough baggage and have done enough damage and have enough shady supporters to talk about without making stuff up.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM
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5. You better try your damage control on Huffingtonpost and Drudge... n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:20 AM
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6. sue Mickey sue
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM
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7. hell yeah, i would go batshit
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM
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11. you still think it's real?
why wd the filmmaker lie about it? seriously, and you know I can't stand Her Hillaryness, if the filmmaker says it's fake I believe him.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM
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8. Now YouTube needs to yank it, eh?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:25 AM
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21. I'll alert it in you tube. Will you, too? (eom)
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM
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9. OMFG - WHO Would Do Such A Thing...
:eyes:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:28 AM
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29. i think i have an idea....
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:31 AM
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35. Me too.
I would like to know who uploaded that on to Youtube.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:21 AM
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10. Ta Da
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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12. ok, well, let's see it then
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:23 AM
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16. I'm sure the director and production company will be happy for the added revenue!
:hi:
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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13. LOL! It's fake and the Obama folks go insane! Gonna be a fun day!
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:22 AM
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15. So we see his lips move to match the audio
He apologizes and says, "excuse me" when he realizes that he was recorded. He says "those people are shit" not "they must be shiting in the white house" and there is no mention of Perot.
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:23 AM
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17. Story dead
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:24 AM
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18. Here is the origional version. It still has him saying "N**ger"
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:26 AM
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24. Riight.
If you say so.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:28 AM
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30. I am 100% sure he says "N***er". It's clear as day. nt
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:43 AM
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44. Stop lying!
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:51 AM
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46. g.i.v.e...i.t...u.p...
the clip is doctored and bogus

y'all fell for it

punked
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:27 AM
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25. exactly, how does ben smith figure its doctored when its the same
??
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:24 AM
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19. Of course it's doctored
If the so-called netroots supporting Obama couldn't lie, they'd have nothing to do all day. That's all they do.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:24 AM
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20. please send to Olbermann/Gregory/Cafferty
Someone needs to stop this vicious gaming. And the networks could do a story on it. It hurts all parties and is an indirect attack on the American people.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:25 AM
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22. Okay, who was the dumbass who tried to pull this one off?
Seriously.

It's not like this was a new movie or anything. Had this come out in the original version, I'm sure the outcry against Kantor would have started immediately.

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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:28 AM
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28. Of course. That's what's so ridiculous about this.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:26 AM
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23. All the Obamamaniacs cheering the made up controversy
go F yourselves.
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:27 AM
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26. Forget the N word! are we "worthless" "shit"
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:29 AM
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32. the director says he was talking about Perots polling, and the rest was fake..
sorry
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:28 AM
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27. He is calling the additional of the sub-titles doctoring, get a grip (n/t)
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:32 AM
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37. did you read Ben Smith's blog?
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:32 AM by Secret_Society
"He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

I don't know what you're talking about.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:53 AM
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47. Well if he didn't say that what did he say?
It is clear he calls people in Indiana "sh*t", no disputing that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:24 PM
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50. listen again very slowly
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:29 AM
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:31 AM
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34. It's more like the Director is FUCKED
I do remember watching the movie (I own a copy) and actually what's even worse about Kantor and the others is how they shut down Jerry Brown in the convention...who had won several states and wasn't allowed to speak.

Carville is clearly a racist asswipe and he was giggling when Kantor made his comment.

Rent the movie. See for yourself.

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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:31 AM
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36. K & R
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:32 AM
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38. Its in the ORIGINAL movie.
Did he 'doctor' that one himself? Lying Liar.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:33 AM
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39. This is how Rove/DKos works--they put out a distorded story--let it

swing in the wind (bloggers pick it up--DU Obama fans pick up the distorted version)---and go with it.

If corrections are made...well they might see the light--but they hope the
damage has been done. No remorse.



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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:39 AM
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40. Kicked and recommended for truth!
This blew up hard in the face of the Obamites before it had even gotten anywhere!
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:42 AM
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41. And all the little crybabies
Are saying, no, it's not. They're too far gone. Even when all the evidence and witnesses say otherwise, they still won't believe it.

Every single day, Obama supporters remind me more and more of Bush supporters.

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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:43 AM
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42. Well, it'll be easy enough to prove if the director is lying then.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:00 PM by parasim
Anybody who has the original on DVD or VHS can easily go to that part o the movie and see and hear for themselves if those words were spoken.

It seems as the director is not disputing that the "white-n*****" phrase was heard in the youTube clip, because he is claiming that it is new audio dubbed over the original movie.

As for the other phrase about "shitting in the white house", that should also be easily proven by watching the original. I know the "original" is available on youtube as well, but the director could just say that that one was doctored as well. The only way to know for sure is to watch the original.

on eidt: I myself have no comment until I watch the original myself. Until someone proves it otherwise, I'll take the director at his word.

on edit again: ok after rewatching the thing, I absolutely believe he says, "Those people are shittin'... excuse me... in the white house" and then he goes on to say "How would you like to be in the white house right now" or something. I really doubt he said "white-n*****". I don't think it's doctored, I just think it was misinterpreted in the you tube video with the subtitles.

As an Obama supporter I just wanted to set the record straight on what I think about this whole Kantor thing. Not that anybody really cares anyway...


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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:43 AM
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43. Its real, he says "Shit" and "worthless" and whispers something else.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:45 AM
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45. I see those words used lots of times.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:16 PM
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54. Yeah, usually against Hillary's supporters...
:P
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:59 AM
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48. kick for truth
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Lannigan Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:04 PM
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49. K&R - nt
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:38 PM
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51. LOL. They were pretty damn excited for a while weren't they?
:nuke: and party hats were breaking out everywhere. Silly kids.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:14 PM
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53. Now maybe they'll go back to debating the issues .....
...oh, wait :silly:



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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:51 PM
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52. Obama followers know it. Most couldn't care less.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:20 PM
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55. How anyone could believe these smears.....
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:20 PM by susankh4
after all we have been through..... is beyond me.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:48 PM
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56. K & R.
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