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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:29 PM
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Can We Get Back to the Issues Now??
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:30 PM by Connie_Corleone
Let's discuss the issues.

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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:30 PM
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1. Gas tax holiday
Let's name it the McCain-Clinton bill and have economists tear it to shreds.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:31 PM
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2. You poor thing, you must be dreaming. We'll be going back
to Reverend Wright shortly. No issues spoken of during this campaign.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:32 PM
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3. How about college tax credits & savings plans by both candidates?
Obama's summary

Higher Education

* Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Obama will also ensure that the tax credit is available to families at the time of enrollment by using prior year's tax data to deliver the credit when tuition is due.
* Simplify the Application Process for Financial Aid: Obama will streamline the financial aid process by eliminating the current federal financial aid application and enabling families to apply simply by checking a box on their tax form, authorizing their tax information to be used, and eliminating the need for a separate application.

Detailed paper here - http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/CollegeAffordabilityFactSheet.pdf

Hillary;s summary

As President, Hillary will make college more affordable and accessible by:

* Lowering the cost of college through a $3,500 tuition tax credit, enough to cover more than 50% of the cost of tuition at the average public institution for many families.
* Increasing the Pell Grant.
* Strengthening community colleges and training programs.
* Improving college graduation rates.
* Providing additional aid for people who do public service.
* Simplifying student aid.
* Providing clear information about the real cost of college well in advance to help families plan.


More detailed sketching of plan here - http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3671
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:40 PM
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How much will that cost every year?!! How are they going to pay for that?!
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:19 PM
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9. Here's what I found
For Hillary

Cost: The new college tax credit and other initiatives in this agenda will cost approximately $8 billion per year. These costs will be financed without increasing the deficit by eliminating the guaranteed student loan program and allocating a portion of the savings from freezing the estate tax at $7 million per couple rather than allowing it to be completely repealed. Freezing the estate tax at $7 million per couple will have no effect on 99.7% of estates. It will mean instead that the 10,000 wealthiest estates in the U.S. do not receive a further tax cut.

I was unable to find something similar for Obama though I may have missed it.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:32 PM
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4. Good luck with that.. I tried yesterday.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:32 PM
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5. I tend to agree.
it's just more drama to distract from what really matters.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:34 PM
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6. This should be the case REGARDLESS of whether a video is real or doctored...
whether a reverend is scurrilous or not...

whether you had cornflakes for breakfast or oat bran.

This should never be qualified.

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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:35 PM
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7. Good idea, Hillary should not be pitting Congress against one another
over the gas tax thing; it is a losing proposition.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:40 PM
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8. Why should they start now?
:shrug:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:20 PM
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10. Like Reverend Wright and bowling 37?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:20 PM
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11. Flag pins and whose reverend said what ARE the issues!
I mean, what would you rather talk about? The 500 Billion we've spent in Iraq? The fact that the polar caps are melting?

boooooooo-rrrring!~!!

:sarcasm:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:39 PM
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17. Oh yes, flag pins
I left out, "flag pins."
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:22 PM
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12. Yes!!!
Let's talk about Iraq, the mortgage crisis, gas prices, anything real.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:23 PM
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13. We discuss issues here?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:23 PM
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14. Yeah, like why the FUCK is Andrea Mitchell still on my goddam television??
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:25 PM
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15. We haven't been on the issues for so long I've forgotten what they are.
:crazy:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:32 PM
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16. What's there to discuss? We already know their positions.
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