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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:01 PM
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Why not let the people of Indiana
judge this Kantor video for themselves? :shrug:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:02 PM
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1. I think it should be run 24/7, and let them judge--you're right.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:05 PM
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2. lol
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:06 PM
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3. Yeah, I'm thinking
of maybe having a news network go over the video like it was the video of the "Alien Autopsy" they had out some years ago, where they dissected the film to determine if it was real.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:06 PM
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4. I'd want to know
if what they are basing their judgment on is real or fake, though. ANd if it is fake, where it came from.

Truth is really the only basis to form a fair judgment.

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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:06 PM
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5. That sounds like a good idea. n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:09 PM
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6. They can't Clinton's lawyers had it "erased"
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:10 PM
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7. I agree. The media should report and let the people decide.
"Fair and balanced."
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:13 PM
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8. I read in another thread that it is fake --
the director (I think) admitted this.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:22 PM
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9. Uh, it's been TOTALLY DEBUNKED. TOTALLY. It is a Big Lie.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/02/972175.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

The original headline dissed Mickey Kantor, now they've RETRACTED COMPLETELY.

Give it up--this is disgusting, this flopsweat shilling of a big fucking LIE. Shame, shame, shame.

All it does is make the Obama campaign look sleazy, sneaky, and worst of all --- WEAK.

A CONTROVERSY THAT WASN'T



...*** UPDATE *** Huffington Post quotes Kantor on what he meant by the expletive: "Indiana was not even on our radar screen," he said, "And I was talking about the polling and not the people... If you look at The War Room, this is not the way Carville or George interpreted my statement. This is frankly libelous."



*** UPDATE 2*** The director of The War Room tells Ben Smith the film is doctored. One portion of another produced clip -- not included in this post -- making its rounds, is certainly doctored. We are in the process of checking the original film to see about the first expletive.

*** UPDATE 3 *** We've checked the original film, which we link to above. Quietly, you can hear an "-ing" on the end of the expletive. Then Kantor adds "...in the White House." He was NOT referring to the people of Indiana.


But hey, don't believe ME...or NBC...or POLITICO...listen to an OBAMA supporter's take: http://community.livejournal.com/obama_2008/923511.html

Mickey Cantor clip from "The War Room" was doctored
Sigh. I think we're all tired to death of "gotcha" politics and "guilt-by-association" politics. Can we focus on ISSUES and POLICY, please?

I think most of us cannot name Obama's top 3 economic priorities, for instance. We need to understand our candidate's POLICIES before we can rationally defend him to the public.

In response to this clip from the excellent 1993 documentary on the Clinton campaign, "The War Room"...

Pennebaker: Clip Doctored (Politico):

I just spoke to D.A. Pennebaker, the director of "The War Room," who said his film had been doctored to produce a widely-viewed YouTube clip.

In a clip from his film on the 1992 Clinton campaign, posted to YouTube today, Clinton advisor Mickey Kantor is -- according to subtitles -- seen referring to Indianans with an expletive and to his colleague George Stephanopolous with a racial slur.

"He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.

"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

The second expletive, he said, appeared to have been entirely fabricated, with new audio dubbed onto the original movie.

Pennebaker appeared surprised and amused by the video.

"A thousand people saw that film in theaters and didn't think" the second expletive had been used, he said. "It's very clearly understandable. It's not like it was in Bulgarian."

In an earlier version posted yesterday, the clip was circulating with a subtitle indicating -- Pennebaker says inaccurately -- that Kantor had insulted Indianans; the racial slur appears to have been added to the second version.

The audio in both versions isn't clearly audible; it's possible that the subtitles are incorrect, but that the audio hasn't been deliberately altered.

UPDATE: I spoke to the editor of the video who said that he enhanced, but didn't alter, the audio in the second portion of the video.

By Ben Smith 12:12 PM

Mickey Kantor is looking into a libel lawsuit against the person who posted this video of him:

Clinton Adviser Claims Indiana Slur Video Is Conspiracy (HuffPo).


I hope Kantor sues the pants off that litle fucker who posted that video. Maybe then we'll find out if anyone put him up to it.




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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:27 PM
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10. The film critic from the Washington Post in 1993 thought Kantor insulted the people of Indiana
in the film--I guess he heard what I heard.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:36 PM
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11. MSNBC debunked that, too. NT
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:40 PM
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12. Hopefully they'll be able to see it and render an opinion.
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