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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:46 PM
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We're being played like puppets
We're being played like puppets on the Kantor video and the robo-calls in NC. It's no secret that there are unscrupulous people in campaigns; but, one presumes at the very least the candidate him or herself knows enough to stay completely away from that sort of campaigning. I think each of knows deep down that these sorts of issues reflect the problem in politics today, not the integrity of the candidates. Our candidates are both more honorable than their campaigns, and we should not play into the hands of the MSM by allowing these kinds of issues to impugn either Obama or Hillary.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:49 PM
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1. So, we werent puppets when the issue was Wright, but we are when...
....it impacts Clinton?
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:04 PM
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3. An attitude like yours (and mine) is a really big part of the problem!
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:04 PM
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4. Exactly. "Fingergate" was INCREDIBLY applicable and important.
ugh.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:11 PM
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9. Actually, I cited the Kantor thing too
And Wright is another good example of how we're being played like puppets, but I didn't think of it.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:03 PM
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2. K&R...............
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:04 PM
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5. The robo calls did not originate with KKKarl or the Repukes.

It came from WVWV.org, many of that organizations leadership have ties to the Clintons, Clintons campaign director, Maggie Williams, used to be a director of that organization. Their explanations for how this has happened over and over (robo calling single young women and giving them false or misleading information about registering to vote) doesn't pass the smell test.

Now it turns out that the directors of WVWV.org are handing out contracts worth millions of dollars to companies run by spouses or relatives of those directors.

To bury this story and to bury the comments made by Clinton on Bill Orally's show may be the real reason that the Kantor video hit You tube today.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:05 PM
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6.  "both more honorable than their campaigns" They both do it is BS! n/t
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:09 PM
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7. No it's not. Obama has power-mad people on his campaign
willing to do anything to win just like the people on Hillary's campaign. In fact, many of the people on Obama's campaign have worked for the Clinton campaigns.

Stop fooling yourself. Obama staffers are not perfect - they're mistake-making, win-at-all-cost people just like everybody else.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:11 PM
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8. I love it...turnabout is fair play.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:17 PM
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10. Good post!
K&R.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:01 PM
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11. i doubt 'we' are part of the equation...
the gopig trick is failsafe- as you'd expect from the creepy cowards. And as many people still are surprised by! But read a few writers on the subject of repukke long term success, and the fix-is-in ideas they've used to destroy the country. 'Up from Conservativism' by Lind, 'Blinded by the right' by Brock, 'Hunting of the President' by Lyons, and quite a few others. What they describe is a reactionary element devoted to racism and greed and hogging of the global wealth- using the USA as a 'exchanger' where the USA robs whomever it can, while the 'corporations' ie repukkes rip off the USA, which then makes its pedatory actions necessary (though eventually the USA itself will become the victim- as nobody else still gullible enough to put up with the gopigs' antics)...the trick is to control the mechanism through with perceptions are formed, within the one country which is the most powerful, with best educated electorate etc. Control it all, and through it the world...The media, the polling orgs, the political parties and the governments. Exploit its worst instincts, use them like a club ...The rest is playacting, once these mechanisms are under control. For example, the fiction that reagan was a popular president (1980) confronts the basic math that saw only 37 percent of less then 1/2 the electorate which voted that year, voted for him! Almost 3rd party numbers...But no matter. The lie is as good as truth- becomes truth eventually. Same with the 2000 election. THe gopigs BRAG among themselves that they lost 2k by greater numbers then ever 'elected' reagan, but again, who cares? So the gopigs have ALREADY decided what the outcomes will be. We the people do as they say, for the record. They control the record, and make up whatever results they want, and the pigmedia report it as if it was real.
I know this might seem overwhelming, but a good place to start is remember what the old timers did to horse thieves: they hanged them. And the rightwing is a horse thief, by design, by nature. It stands to reason that a population of working people and the poor and their dependents (such as the USA) will not support policy that cuts their throat. To affect such a 'pro business' policy, criminality MUST be used to allow reactionaries to get and keep power. Junyer bush has simply exposed the fact 75 percent of us have no say in anything. Terror keeps the gopigs on their toes (cuz they KNOW we KNOW they know we know...lol)
Horse thieves. Rightwingers. Conservative= horsethief! Republicans ARE horse thieves. end of debate
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