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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:24 PM
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Washington Post in 1993: "and a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana"
Shout out to Daily Kos for finding this.

From the Washington Post, circa 1993, on the movie, 'The War Room':
"War Room" is shot in the nonscripted, cinema-verite style by D. A. Pennebaker (whose follow-around films on President Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey and Bob Dylan are documentary classics) and Chris Hegedus. Whether Carville and company are play-acting somewhat for the cameras becomes less important as the film progresses. One can only keep up an act for so long -- especially in the throes of a campaign. Carville's tearful farewell speech to his staff as they close up just before the election, Stephanopoulos's frank talk with a potential blackmailer and a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton's ahead in Dan Quayle's state) attest to this.


The Washington Post, in 1993, found a comment by Kantor about the people of Indiana, and further, found this comment to be, let us say memorable, enough, to mention it in a very short film review.

So is this video a plant? It does not seem so, given the mention of Kantor's comment about the people of Indiana way back in 1993 - FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. if it's a plant, it was certainly planted with a long view...and as another OP stated - if it isn't true, why not just say so? Why threaten to sue, as well?

And the OP over at Daily Kos takes it one step further:

Kantor: Look at Indiana, 42-40. It doesn't matter if we win, those people are shit(ing?)...oh, excuse me...(inaudible, possibly White House)...how would you like to be (whispers) a worthless white ni**er.


In listening to the clip about four dozen times now in a pair of high-quality Sony MDR-V700 headphones, the above transcript sounds correct. I can't say, though, that this sounds like a slur against the people of Indiana. To me it sounds like Kantor is inferring that "those people are shitting...in the White House" over the current poll numbers. And perhaps the last slur is directed at Dan Quayle? Is Kantor implying that Quayle was worthless, because he couldn't even help Bush by carrying his own home state?

So my unanswered questions are, if people heard this as a slur against the people of Indiana in 1993, when it obviously wasn't a fabrication in the original release of the film in the theatre, and we can still hear essentially the same audio now, where is the fabrication? The Washington Post in 1993 sought fit to print this in their review. Was there an outcry from Kantor, Pennebaker, and the Clinton camp at that time? Was there a retraction in the Washington Post stating that this interpretation was false?

How can this be a fabrication if it is the same thing that people heard in 1993?


That, is a really good question...
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:26 PM
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1. K&R
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:27 PM
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2. The context makes sense in this piece.. I'm still hearing the
same on all versions of the audio, but this at least puts it in context not so damning.

Neverthless, the video was authenticated in 1993. They can't disavow it now.. it's up to the people of Indiana to decide.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:28 PM
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3. Exactly. Its true and they know it. nt
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:32 PM
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4. Wow.
This guy really worked on this.

I'm curious to find out what other audiophiles find.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:33 PM
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I've got a link to one who found this.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:33 PM
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5. I embarrassed my self earlier today by believing my ears
without engaging my brain and having a shot at considering whether it might be fake.

Now I'll just sit here and let folks who know how to verify these things do just that.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:03 PM
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20. It is the wisest course of action.
I will wait for the facts to come in before I commit one way or another on this. In the end, though, it is a non-issue in the strictest sense. I would rather be discussing healthcare, gas prices, and food prices.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:34 PM
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6. Its Bull.
Another monumental day for truth.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:36 PM
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7. Based on what, exactly?
People in the grip of triumph often say and do stupid things - remember "mission accomplished?"

So on what basis do you state this is "bull?"
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:42 PM
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10. Statements from the Diretor of the film. Statements from the person in question.
Analysis from Chuck Todd's team at MSNBC's First Note.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:43 PM
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11. Got any links for this stuff?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:45 PM
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14. Here's One. Enjoy!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:54 PM
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17. So the Washington Post was lying in 1993?
What motive did they have to lie back then? They obviously heard it 15 years ago, the same way most people are hearing it today.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:57 PM
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19. No. Just mistaken.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 04:58 PM by prodn2000
Give this a day or two. It will probably ruin Clinton's chances on Tuesday, but after an extensive audio analysis is done, she and Kantor will be vindicated.

Even the innocent burn at the stake.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:08 PM
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22. I doubt it will ruin her chances. n/t
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:21 PM
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23. :-)
Was there subtle snarkyness in that post?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:28 PM
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24. Nope.
I mean it.

I'm thinking tuesday will be a split decision and Barack and Hillary will play on. :hi:
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:33 PM
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25. That's a monumentally broad statement with no...
provenance. You must be GOD! Or a die-hard Hillary fan.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:37 PM
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27. No. Just not stupid enough to believe if that is what he actually said,
That it would have been allowed to stay in the completed movie.
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Fermezlabush Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:38 PM
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8. WHY? WHY SLUR THE VOTERS THAT GAVE HIM VICTORY?
Where is the sense in this? :wtf:
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:39 PM
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9. No sense
just arrogance...
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:34 PM
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26. You really have to be kidding. Right?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:43 PM
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12. Why didn't Kantor sue this reviewer for libel?
If that isn't what he said?
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:44 PM
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13. Wait a minute. Do I understand that the reason the board is on DefCom 2
- or something - is for something that a Clinton adviser said 15 years ago?
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:45 PM
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15. It's not the words that are concerning us, but the image
The Clinton's insist on putting forth this image of infallibility and moral perfection. So the Kantor comment pretty much shoots holes in that image. Thus, discussing this is not only appropriate, but necessary - because I sure don't want to buy into the Clinton image...
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:49 PM
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16. I guess people hear what they want/expect top hear. I heard neither
"...people are shit" except with "ing" attached and then "in the wihite house", and a question about "how would you like to be trying to..."

They heard wrong then, they heard wrong now.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:55 PM
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18. That is reasonalbe and possible
Good point.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:07 PM
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21. .
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:34 AM
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28. Seems to me like anyone could hear it either way, depending
Howzabout we talk about that jackass Kantor's role in sticking us with NAFTA instead?
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