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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:14 PM
Original message
The doctored Kantor video
comes straight out of the Stalinist propaganda manual. Are there any dephths to which the Obamanation is not prepared to descend?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:15 PM
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1. No one knows Stalinism like a DLC supporter
So you're probably right.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:16 AM
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44. I know!!! EVERYONE who knows anything knows damn right well Obama is the DLC guy
it's fucking crazy how they project.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:16 PM
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2. Do you have proof that it came from "Obamanation", or are you making.........
empty allegations?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. Empty allegations? How Stalinesque, no?
What next, purges?

;)

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:22 PM
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8. Very Stalinesque. n/t
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:19 PM
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16. It is being looked into by Kantor's attorney
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:01 PM
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23. So the answer is no. n/t
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:08 PM
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28. There wasn't even any fraudulent or doctored audio.
None of the clips had anything different from the original.


The controversy centered around the interpretation of what Kantor actually said. The whispered part and his pronunciation of "shit," or "shitting," as the case may be, were almost impossible to make out clearly.

But some people are still going on with the theory that someone added something into the video. That didn't happen.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:37 PM
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57. The version that was originally posted at you-tube,
I believe, had captions added to "tell" people what was said. This was immediately taken as gospel truth and the Senator Obama supporters here began to swear they could HEAR it!!! NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!

So, yes...there was something the original didn't have.....captions.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:53 AM
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43. well, obama supporters sure ran with and didn't ask any questions. they are a reflection on obama.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:02 AM
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48. Video created & promoted by Obama supporters.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 10:04 AM by Marie26
"I believe I've done it - discovered the persons responsible for the very first "people from Indiana are shit" hoax video, posted online by BingoFrogger on Thursday, 5/1/08 around 3 PM. This video spawned later reposts all over the internets by a notorious hitman known as Politikewl - who is friends with JedReport at You Tube, and others, and then mutated into an even uglier hoax video, when someone decided to try to make others believe that Mickey Kantor used the term "white ni---rs" to describe people in Indiana.

This will be my last diary on this subject, because I am convinced I have solved it completely. I will name the person who did this, in my opinion, based on the research. I will take everyone through the evidence step by step. I'm sorry to say these people are, at the very least, Obama supporters, and not right wing trolls trying to cause trouble.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5806010&mesg_id=5806010


"A provocative video clip alleging to show a longtime friend of Hillary Clinton using a racial slur to describe the citizens of Indiana was sent to political reporters this morning by an independent public relations consultant who favors Barack Obama. Both the filmmaker and the subject of the film excerpt are calling the clip a fraud."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:30 AM
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51. Obama supporter does not equal Obama himself. I don't Hillary accountable for everything .....
her supporters say or do.

If you really want me to, I can hold her responsible for this Hillary supporters bumper sticker.

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:52 AM
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52. You wanted proof
Edited on Sun May-04-08 11:55 AM by Marie26
that this came from "Obamanation" & there it is. The OP never suggested this came directly from Obama's campaign itself, but rather from some of his online supporters. Now people are going to a "but, but Hillary..." switch instead of maybe learning not to leap at every hoax they think might hurt Clinton's campaign.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. an "on-line" supporter?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 12:12 PM by stillcool47
I missed the interview with this "on-line supporter". Is that coming? Or is the pronouncement by one "on-line supporter" suffice to 'end this' as the "on-line supporter" suggests? With zero confirmation of who the "on-line supporter is". My God, I hope you are never on a jury.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:08 PM
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54. What are you even talking about?
Did you read the links? This whole hoax was basically created by an Obama supporter & promoted by the Obama-supporting blogosphere.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:14 PM
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55. Did you read the links?
Your first link is to a blog..and the "on-line supporter" is speculating, and making accusations about who the "on-line supporter" is. Read the comments on the 'blog'. Your second link makes zero mention of who the "on-line supporter" is.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:12 PM
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58. OK
Edited on Sun May-04-08 02:14 PM by Marie26
First one traces to an Obama supporter - uncontroverted at this point. Second link, the Washington Post says that an influential Obama supporter pushed this story to the media. Eric Schmeltzer is a Huffington Post blogger & Obama fan who has some pull to get this video noticed. This whole fake controversy was fueled by the netroots, Obamafan blogosphere. And clearly, this came from someone who wanted to hurt Clinton's campaign w/a lame "gotcha" attempt. I don't even get why people are still disputing the video. Why give it legs? It was an amateur smear attempt that Obama supporters should be running away from at this point. And yet people are still trying to defend it, even if that means slandering a Democrat's name. For... what exactly? This doesn't help your side at all - instead it just reinforces the worst perceptions of a cult. There are still people here who SWEAR that Kantor, a civil rights attorney & poverty law advocate, was using a racial slur, even after the whole thing's been debunked.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:16 PM
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3. and?
stalinist methods are accusing others and calling them guilty without proof.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:17 PM
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4. Here is a link to mine
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:17 PM
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5. Stalin was on youtube? shit those Soviets really did sit on a load of technology
Too bad they couldn't figure out how to monetize it - they could have made it after all.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:22 PM
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7. LOL!

Stalin took the secret of UTube to the glass coffin.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:23 PM
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9. Why did the Washington Post reviewer in 1993 say that Kantor said
offensive things about people from Indiana:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/2/154559/1273/617/507893

or directly from the source:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/thewarroompghowe_a0b00d.htm

"Stephanopoulos's frank talk with a potential blackmailer and a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton's ahead in Dan Quayle's state) attest to this."

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:27 PM
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11. this actually deserves its own thread
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #9
14. What, a WAPO reviewer said something negative in 1993?
Edited on Sat May-03-08 08:00 PM by msmcghee
I guess Mickey Kantor should come clean right now and tell us all why he really hates the "shits" of Indiana. I mean if a reviewer in the newspaper said it - it has to be true. :sarcasm:
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:16 PM
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33. I'm saying the reviewer noticed it in 1993.
How did he get a doctored tape in 1993 and why???
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:32 PM
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35. OK - let's take this step by step. The way I see it . .
Edited on Sat May-03-08 10:01 PM by msmcghee
a) The reviewer in 1993 said, " . . and a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton's ahead in Dan Quayle's state) attest to this."

There is some negative connotation in there but it is not specified in any way what he was referring to.

b) Kantor admits that in the film he said, "Those people are shitting."

c) Kantor has explained that he was referring to the people in the White House and their reaction to seeing Perot do so well in Texas. The audible parts of the film sound track are not inconsistent with that interpretation.

d) Since there is no way to refute that because there's nothing in the video that indicates otherwise - you have to accept that as the truth or you have to claim that Kantor is lying and that Astral66 at KOS really knows what Kantor meant better than Kantor knows what he meant 15 years ago when the film was shot.

e) None of that has one thing to do with the " . . white nigger" hoax (the doctored tape) which seems to have been done in the last few weeks.

Now, maybe I'm missing something here. If so, please explain to me what it is. But unless you can, I don't see how the 1993 review has anything to do with the recent " . . white nigger" hoax nor does it discredit what Kantor says in the film or what Kantor says he meant by it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:24 PM
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10. many of them sank to a new low--they jumped on it and squaked liked pigs only to have egg on their
Edited on Sat May-03-08 07:31 PM by rodeodance
face!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:28 PM
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12. really then why did the reviewer jump on it in 1993
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:18 PM
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15. It was debunked back then too by the same director who debunked this time
But please, feel free to send this right on over to KOS, Huffy, Shultz, and Trapper. LOL
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:01 PM
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25. Link to 1995 interview with director debunking story please. n/t
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:19 PM
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17. More like shit on their face and this is not over by a long shot
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:56 PM
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13. This was truly a vile thing to do . .
. . but I have seen no evidence that it came from the Obama campaign. There could be some evidence out there but if so, I missed it and I've been watching this pretty closely. (Please provide link if there's something I need to see.) Until then, there's no justification for accusing the Obama campaign of having anything to do with this.

It's possible that it was done by an Obama supporter of course but that's not the campaign. It also could have been done by some high school kid with some audio/video gear who thought it would be cool. If we ever find out who did it let's hang em high but until then please lighten up with the accusations.

(I do think it was pretty ugly that so many Obama supporters at DU juumped all over this without checking it out better - but that's a gripe for another day.)
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:21 PM
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18. Or just your average joe poster on youtube.
:boring:
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:43 PM
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19. The question is 'cui bono'?
It is reasonable to infer that this was an Obama supporter and therefore a member of the 'Obamanation'.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:49 PM
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21. Hillary Clinton benefits greatly from the Wright affair
but she had nothing to do with it. If the sole criteria you want to use to determine guilt is to determine who benefits from something, please do us all a favor and never become a member of the law enforcement community.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:46 PM
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20. Anytime you find the slightest bit of evidence that
anyone affiliated with the Obama campaign had anything to do with it, go right ahead and post it.
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 08:58 PM
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22. It is interesting
that Obama supporters were all over this when it appeared genuine and are doing a 'Pontius Pilate' when it has turned out to be a fraud.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:06 PM
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26. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:28 PM
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34. How does that address the allegation that the Obama camp is responsible for creating it?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #22
36. Should I hold Hillary accountable for everything that her supporters.....
on this board say?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:31 PM
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40. I can't believe the posts that get deleted - let me put it another way:
since apparently "shove it" is too much for some sensitive ears.

You can take your sweeping generalizations and....put them somewhere else. Hows that?

Again, I point out that the only comment this Obama support has made on the whole video tape thing was to say how embarassed I was at some people who were using the "N" word to mock Senator Clinton because of the controversy.

Lot of other Obama supporters here also did not jump all over this. Obama supporters don't all work as a single unit, just like not all Clinton supporters are the same.

So, now that we've made sure you can't find any reason for this post to be deleted.... I say that I'm sick of silly generalizations and I'm losing patience.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:01 PM
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24. I'm still waiting on this video where the whispered phrase that has been the
subject of so much different interpretation was actually ADDED INTO the video.

I haven't seen any DOCTORED audio. There have been clips where the volume has been altered, or noise taken out, but nothing added in.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. I thought the whole N word thing that was floating around for a while was pretty much
clearly false... ?
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:11 PM
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29. It was.
n/t
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:15 PM
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31. That he SAID it was (probably) false. But no one doctored up a video, added in
fake audio to create the controversy.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:13 PM
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30. It was PROBABLY false that he actually SAID it- you can't tell, listening to it.
The conclusion I came to as to what it sounded like he was saying was a whispered "on a worthless white (tigger or ticker)"- there was a clear "T" pronounced, not an "N."

The phrase itself, though, is genuine.

Nothing was added in. People who didn't do much investigation keep going on about someone having perpetrated a fraud, though.

In the original video, someone heard what he said and misinterpreted (probably- I don't think he said that) what he said, from genuine audio.

THAT is what fucking happened. God damn, dude.


This is seriously starting to piss me off. I HATE that people are individuals, and you can't "FIX" everyone's understanding and make them get that one thing or another is true. Everybody hears different things and filters it all differently and you can't control it.

But if you take the time to listen to it all, all the different clips, that's what happened.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:16 PM
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32. I've kind of sortof tried to stay out of this one for the most part....
Something stinks and I can't figure out what it is, and I just think I'll more or less steer clear of it.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:09 PM
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37. I listened to the audio carefully . .
. . and listened to different version that were available yesterday. I could not hear the " . . white n****r" words that several DU members swear adamantly were very obvious to them.

For that reason I provisionally accept that they are not lying or allowing their emotions to bias their perceptions to the point that they are hearing something that is not there - although that could still be the case.

What does seem to be certain is that those words are not on the un-doctored tape (that I assume I listened to) or if they are on a doctored tape - then in either case they are not Mickey Kantor's words. That seems indisputable based on what we know at this point.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:11 AM
Response to Reply #37
42. "How would you like to be......----on a worthless white
tigger (ticker)."----

That is what's there.

The "hearing" of it may be way the fuck off. The audio has not been tampered with, though. It is in the original.

It is only a matter of interpretation. No one went out of their way to fraudently present a different audio that said "nigger." Somebody DID create a video that had subtitles with the word in it- but the audio was not changed that I know of.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. I am aware of the different views of this.
Yours is one of them. I agree you may be correct. My question at this point is why are you so certain? I just don't see any reason to believe that yours is the only possible interpretation.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:20 PM
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38. No. There is no depth of depravity they won't sink to....
In fact, I have it on GOOD AUTHORITY that Obama's people went back in time to 1993 and made that columnist WRITE THAT OP-ED that described what Cantor said.

Fuck, man, they're good.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:24 PM
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39. Hitler! Stalin! Mussolini!
err... Idi Amin! ummmm Castro! Kruschev!

Ignore! in 3, 2, 1 ....
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washingdem Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:31 PM
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41. "He's not a Muslim... as far as I know."
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #41
59. And the relevance of THAT
to this entire ridiculous controversy is WHAT?

Grow up!

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:51 AM
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45. Deleted.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 06:05 AM by Perry Logan
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:44 AM
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46. The Obamanation is prepared to sink to the lowest depths in recorded history, if needed.
When Hillary was winning the debates, MSM started screaming for Obama to go negative. When he willingly obliged, voilà, MSM then began gushing over Axlerod, and what a brilliant strategist he was.

And thus began the downward trek leading to Obama's low lands, a swamp filled with alligators snapping at our democracy, doing death rolls in their feeding frenzy against Hillary and all of her supporters.

They sit all day long hitting the refresh button on the internet, in stealth mode, searching for even one word positive about Hillary, ready to attack and post negative, blistering, hateful comments as soon as possible in order to control the news cycle. I've witnessed this many times over and over again, right here on DU-P, when even a very lengthy positive post for Hillary with links to larger positive articles will more often than not within SECONDS receive at least one hate-filled response, and in the next minute or two they pile on with mind boggling hate pomp.

There is only one way this rapid negative response could be attained - - many Hillary haters just sitting there hitting the refresh button over and over and over and over. This, in their widdle world, is political activism at its finest. Perhaps some day the will have another netroots gathering and brag on how much time they devoted out of their pathetically boring lives diligently hitting that refresh button so dedicated to the cause.

And all the while this alleged group of Hillary haters are sitting there hitting the refresh button in DU-P over and over and over, yet another group of Hillary haters work news sites and the like hoping to grab positive information from the internet, to twist and distort it as soon as possible, and post it here on DU-P as a negative post against Hillary, then proceed to gloat over the throng that jumps in with them to pile on the bashing of Hillary all hitting the recommend button with regard to the bogus distorted hateful information contained in the op. And the newest trick is to proudly proclaim I hate hate hate, I'm so full of hate, more hate hate hate, and it is all Hillary's fault - she has managed to control their entire heart and soul.

Most Obama supporters are sincere, of upstanding character, and refuse to participate in the hate fest. Sadly for them, however, the Hillary haters get worse with each passing day, gouging by the horsefeed they receive almost hourly from the mother-of-all-haters, the blogcult, very willing to stick the ends of their forked tongues in their ears to prevent reality from seeping into their brains.

It will be interesting to see what today brings.


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:18 PM
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56. "going negative"

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.


Clinton Co-Chair Resigns Over Obama Drug Remark
By JAKE TAPPER
Dec. 13, 2007
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3992371&page=1
Bill Shaheen, the Clinton campaign's New Hampshire co-chair, stepped down Thursday one day after publicly raising the issue of the youthful drug use of her chief opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois

Shaheen, the husband of a former New Hampshire governor and an influential Democrat, was a constant presence by Clinton's side whenever she campaigned in the Granite State, where recent polls have her and Obama in a dead heat for first in that first-in-the-nation primary state.

Hours after the Wednesday release of a CNN/WMUR poll showing Obama in a statistical tie with Clinton for the first time among New Hampshire Democratic voters, Shaheen told The Washington Post that should Obama get the nomination, "one of the things Republicans are certainly going to jump on is his drug use."

Shaheen said Obama having been so open -- as opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further queries on the matter.
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On Sunday, a second Clinton staffer -- Linda Olson, an Iowa County volunteer coordinator, who followed Jones County coordinator Judy Rose -- was asked to resign after reporters discovered she had forwarded an e-mail repeating the scurrilous allegation that Obama, a member of the United Curch of Christ, is a Muslim plant.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:08 AM
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49. Sure, take this opportunity to tar everyone with the same brush - Wright isn't working so
you might as well try this, eh Hilbot?
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:43 AM
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50. The doctored Kantor video was as embarassing and pathetic an episode as you could get, but I'm still
....going to have to call Godwin's Law on it.



"You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair they made the Jews wear...."
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