Have you ever heard of Father John Geoghan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan

Which reads:

Over a 30-year career in six parishes, Geoghan was accused of sexual abuse by more than 130 people. Charges were brought in Cambridge, Massachusetts, concerning accusations of a molestation that took place in 1991. Geoghan was defrocked in 1998. He was found guilty in January 2002 of indecent assault and battery for grabbing the buttocks of a 10-year-old boy in a swimming pool at the Waltham Boys and Girls Club in 1991, and was sentenced to nine to 10 years in prison.

Truly among the most harrowing series of revelations and realizations ever to be heard in Boston's long history. This guy was a genuine monster, a devil quoting scripture for his own purposes, and if the lore of his faith is correct about the nature of the afterlife, he is burning like a joint at a Dead concert.

Anyway, he was my CCD teacher when I was a kid. Never touched me, and I don't remember anything weird about him.

But he was a spiritual advisor to me in those early formative years, and was the one who prepared me for first communion and first confession.

So.

As we have recently learned, one cannot have faith-oriented connections to anyone even slightly outside the acceptable norms, and never mind with such total scum as Geoghan, without being totally disqualified from any position of responsibility or integrity.

Obama's church time with Rev. Wright means Obama must hate white people and like to hump podium and think AIDS is a government conspiracy and stuff.

I guess my church time with Geoghan means...well...I don't want to say it, but you get the general idea.

Moral: don't ever ever ever ever ever make friends with or pray with or even have contact with anyone ever, for the sake of your good name and to keep America free.

Too risky.

Amen.

;)

(...true shit about him being my CCD teacher... :scared: )

any skeletons in Obama's closet; this is what 'they've' been reduced to.

Who is far more radical than Rev Wright. And in an horribly creepy way.

He married the Obamas, baptized their kids, led Obama to Christianity, and was the only pastor Obama ever had. Wright's statements matter as do Obama's statements about Wright's statements. Your association with Geoghan, who presumedly didn't molest kids in front of you, is utterly different.

Are you going to continue to Pastorbate or will you knock it the fuck off.

I am not going to defend the indefensible. This whole mess is Obama's fault. Not Hillary's, not the press', not the boogey man's but Obama's. Obama needed to be honest from the get go on this and wasn't. Incidently there are relatively few of Wright's statements I have a problem with, but apparently as far back as the beginning of this campaign Obama knew this would be a problem when he refused to let Wright give a prayer at his offical announcement. A simple, honest, answer would have ended this. He chose another path and is paying for it.

I didn't see catholics heading to the exits because of his "deeds" before he was beaten to death in prison.

Nice try, though.

I am saying he didn't molest them in front of Will. Will had, presumedly, no reason to believe that Geoghan was a monster until he was revealed as such, on the contrary, Obama knew when he announced that Wright had said loopy stuff.

To compare what Wright said as opposed to what Geoghan actually did is obscene.

as opposed to just a Catholic church I would have a major problem with voting for.

I just stay in my cave. That way nobody can tie me to anyone else, and then I can become preznit.

That is strange. How could you not notice when he was your spiritual mentor? People CHOOSE their pastors; they have not choice when it comes to family members. Yada yada. Not very funny, sorry. That's a creepy story and illustrates your point very well.

Which is why it's so pathetic that people are buying into it! I don't know which is worse: the evil of the right wing or the stupidity of the people who fall for their crap.

whew thanks

so i must be a pedophile, to make it worse I live in the south now where most "protestants" dont even think or know we are christians.

>>>>As we have recently learned, one cannot have faith-oriented connections to anyone even slightly outside the acceptable norms, and never mind with such total scum as Geoghan, without being totally disqualified from any position of responsibility or integrity.

Obama's church time with Rev. Wright means Obama must hate white people and like to hump podium and think AIDS is a government conspiracy and stuff.>>>>>

We're supposed to accept this as a sound analogy? You and Geoghan /Obama and Wright?

I don't think so. Did you select Geochan to baptize your kids? To perform .... ummm... matrimony? Did he inspire the title of your book?

Besides, the whole point is that Obama knew... or ought to have known... that his Rev. was expressing himself as he did over the course of years because he said everything *publically* and from the pulpit.

Geoghan, by definition, did everything on the sly. Neither you , nor his victims could or would have known about him.

Come on.

through a sleazy business deal, though he saved my ass in earlier years.

He was, in part a capitalist, but he was also an insightful Jungian.

So go figure.

People are complicated.

Words of wisdom. (As usual.)

:thumbsup:

and is all encompassing.

I consider myself a Spiritualist...no special religion...but a strong belief in the after life.

I guess the entire parish (and all of his regular listeners on the radio) were Nazis. But I guess THAT'S OK in McCarthyite America. :eyes:

regular listeners should be presumed to have some pretty awful views. I wouldn't particularly wish to be governed by a devotee of Limbaugh.

I've known MANY people who were members of Shrine Parish or went to school there. Even some members of my extended family.

I'm east of you - heading towards the lake.

I have a second cousin in Richmond and my step-sister lives in Madison Heights. (We're everywhere! We're everywhere!)

:silly:

demagogues?

:eyes: ... and they're not called "followers"; they're called "parishioners." Got that? Too complicated for you?

Leave those kids alone!




Thanks for sharing. That's wild. I haven't looked up my old CCD teachers or pastors, but...

I remember the bus coming to school in elementary to go to CCD in the middle of the morning, but at home my Dad and older siblings kept calling it Catechism.

That confused me for a long time.

I didn't have any bad experiences at my parish growing up. My Dad and fellow neighbors always played Poker on Friday nights with the Monsignor et al.

And if he would have advocated for child molestation from the pulpit, I'm sure you would have left the church.

that we would have to agree that Hillary believes in adultery, that looking into the TV camera and lying to the country is okay, and that she supports NAFTA and the Colombia free trade agreement. I mean, honestly, she has spent a lot more time with her husband, so I'm assuming that he has totally influenced her and that despite what she says in public, she has to be lying about it, because of her association with Bill all these years.

Do I necessarily believe all those things to be true? Well, they aren't all true, as far as I know.

:grr:

The relationship between Wright and Obama was as mentor and mentee - according to Wright's and Obama's own description of that relationship. And what was being mentored were spiritual/moral/philosophical matters - the things that pastors do for their congregants. People can justifiably assume those included the ideas that Wright expressed in his videos and publicly since then.

Your relationship with Geoghan had nothing to do with his sexual activities as you explained. Unless he was mentoring you how to become a sexual predator I don't see how you can compare the two situations. Also, of course, Obama entered into and maintained this twenty year relationship as an adult and of his own free will.

:scared: