Yellow dogs for McSame

Maybe this has been discussed in another thread and I missed it, but while canvassing for Obama today I encountered what I previously thought would be impossible - yellow dogs for McSame.

This group of ladies are all between ages of 70-90, have always voted Democrat, but will vote for McCain in November.

When I asked how is this possible, they informed me that Obama was raised as a Muslim and "that is just so scary and we can't take a chance on having a Muslim run our country..."

As for Hilary "a woman has no business in the White House...that's just not a woman's place."

What bugs me is that I've always seen this particular demographic as a gimme. No way I ever thought I'd see the day when this crowd would even THINK about voting for a Rethug. I wonder how many more are out there?

It was such a surreal conversation...

who claim to have been Democrats their whole lives.

And I have met some people, mostly men, who say they are usually Democrats but would vote for McCain over Hillary.

These kinds of stories make me feel like we are screwed either way.

I could be wrong.
Gosh I hope I am.
But I think there is still too much of an undercurrent of racism in the South for Obama to overcome (and too much sexism for Hillary to overcome).
People aren't vocal about it anymore, of course they can't be. But for the past eight years especially they've had it drilled into their heads that non-white equals bad (all the 'messicuns' taking jobs, 'terris' want to kill you, etc.).
I could be wrong.

No ageism intended.

of the elderly. For all of their flaws, these are folks who are Loved by others and they should have any time they can to grow out of their ignorance and bigotry before they pass-on. It will be a better world for all of us if they do. Their shortcomings should just make us work harder for Justice and Peace amongst the "new" generations.

I will be there someday soon. So will you and I'll bet you'll be hoping people will be willing to wait until you're ready to go.

decisions), that's what I was thinking when I was writing that post. However, it’s completely understandable if my post would be read as if I'm waiting for them to pass away or something. For that I apologize. I've been raised to respect the elderly (I'm 30 years old so I’m not really young myself), however I'm not without fault.

My mother-in-law died a couple of months ago and I learned a lot about what goes down with the sick AND demented elderly - a LOT that I wish I had known as I went into the experience of being her primary advocate in the institution known as long-term care. Though the Hospice movement is a good thing it IS a double-edged sword and, for me, its ambiguities have not been resolved during the four deaths in my family in the last 10 years.

BTW, I was kind of surprised by BHO's demonstration of his understanding of the real issues surrounding palliative care, when he answered a question about "Death with Dignity" at the Compassion Forum a few weeks ago.

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While none of them said they wouldn't vote for an African-American, it was easy to read between the lines. There was a certain discomfort in their body language when they spoke about Obama. I've lived in the Bible belt all my life, so it's not like they had to say anything. After awhile, you just know...

Odd encounter.

Who is more likely to figure out a solution to a problem:
Someone who, from EXPERIENCE, understands more about all aspects of the problem? - or - Someone who has less or no experience and therefore less understanding about critical aspects of a problem?

As a Christian who lived around Muslims, Barack Obama has a more complete understanding of who Muslims are and what the extremists amongst them will do.

For example, if you had cancer, would you want a doctor who has been around cancer victims or one who has not?

Is there any danger that someone who doesn't know enough about Muslims might do the wrong thing and make matters worse? (e.g. Bush = THIS is what happens when someone has no experience of that with which he is dealing).

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they can't get their facts straight. Did they not hear of the Christian Pastor Wright? It's not the fault of the mediawhores..that's for real.

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Democrat does not mean liberal. And this thread needed a kitty.

I encountered the same thing in Ohio while canvassing. It's depressing, but it is what it is. There are huge generational differences, and it's a big challenge.

Thankfully, the majority of elderly are Democrats, and some of the best people I met while volunteering on the Obama campaign were the seniors who would tell us the coolest stories about FDR, Truman, and working on the Kennedy campaign.

"Obama was raised in a Muslim background and his dad hates Christians..."

I have heard young (late 20's) males say he is a muslim

pew research said 25% of white dems will not vote for Obama

previous supporters have (early 30's) have changed their mind, they will vote for Hillary over McCain and McCain over Obama


seems Obama has transcended party lines

I can't tell you how many elderly strangers see my Obama bumper stickers and go out of their way to say something to me about how much they dispise Bush and the Republican Party. It's usually pretty well-informed opinions that they share, too.

I think elderly women who "won't vote for a Muslim" or think the White House "is no place for a woman" are a very tiny minority.

sometimes from otherwise "educated" people.

I agree with you- it's surreal.

Take a trip to the far western part of the state.

Should we find a White male on the Democratic side for them to vote for. :shrug:

Did you have anything to say to them on the fact that Obama is not a Muslim, or was that challenge too difficult? I ask because you don't share with us what you said, only what these "yellow Democrats" said. Was it a one way conversation? It would seem that part of you being out there would be to dispel the bullshit. Was it?

It is a southern, conservative Democrat (later known as dixiecrats) and the term grew out of Reconstruction. At that time, the Republican Party was the party of Lincoln and the saying is..."I'd vote for a yellow dog before I'd vote Republican."

As a proud Liberal in the South, I would never call myself a "yellow dog democrat."

People who use the term these days as meaning they are die hard Dems are ignorant of its original meaning. That's why these ladies call themselves "yellow dogs" because they know what it really means.