Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why would a man file a lawsuit against the DNC he doesn't even find credible?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:11 PM
Original message
Why would a man file a lawsuit against the DNC he doesn't even find credible?
The atmosphere is so toxic in Florida toward the chairman of the party. The state is being used as a wedge to get Hillary Clinton to the convention. Yes, I know McAuliffe said last week that it would be over mid June, but that is not what others are saying.

This has become typical of the circus surrounding Florida's delegates. It is like a joke gone bad, but none of the characters seem to realize they are tanking in credibility.

Victor DiMaio has filed yet another lawsuit against the DNC, this time claiming the group is prejudiced against white people in Florida.

Creative Loafing covers DiMaio's views and those of his lawyer, the chairman of the Democrats in the Tampa area.

DiMaio Lawsuit, Round 2

"DiMaio and Steinberg dispute the decision by the Howard Dean and the DNC to unseat the Florida Democratic delegation as punishment for holding its primary too early. Their lawsuit claims it violates the Equal Protection rights of Florida residents and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The Civil Rights Act says no federally funded organization can discriminate based on race. What Steinberg and DiMaio discovered was that democratic primaries in Nevada and South Carolina were allowed to occur before the window of other primaries because of those states’ racial demographics, specifically African-Americans and Latinos.

“As a Democrat, I support affirmative action, so this is an uncomfortable position for me,” Steinberg said at the meeting. “I’m taking the position that the DNC is violating the Civil Rights Act because they tried to use affirmative action to establish diversity among the states that are running the presidential primary election. So this is an interesting dilemma for me and Mr. DiMaio.”


See, he says they are suing even though they are on the other side of the issue. Why would they do that? Where is the money coming from? Lawsuits cost money.

DiMaio spoke extensively on what he predicts the outcome of the 10 state primaries ahead to decide, predicting Clinton trumping Obama in the coming weeks, a prognostication that was met with skepticism by the crowd and even soft-pedaled by DiMaio himself.

“This is like an episode of Lost,” he said. “You’re going to have stay tuned because I have no earthly idea what’s going to happen.”


Here is more on the topic. They are really deadly serious.

Suing DNC for discriminating against white people in FL, using Rule 11 to get to the Supreme Court

"What an interesting turn of the worm. Sometime next week, we may have democrats suing democrats for carrying out a very democratic policy of advancing minorities. Steinberg and DiMaio acknowledge with a grin that their reverse racism accusation will ruffle feathers, but hope the conservative judiciary will be delighted to strike a blow against affirmative action and rule in their favor. Their only objective, they claim, is to see all of Florida's delegates seated based on the January 31st primary election."


They don't believe in their lawsuit. But they are going ahead with it.

I do believe my state will be used to get Hillary to the convention, it is a way to get her there.

I don't think I have ever seen a party chairman attacked not only by Clinton surrogates, not only by her major donors

BUT

but by Hillary Clinton herself in a major Florida paper.

"I don't think it's up to Sen. (Barack) Obama or me to dictate any resolution. I think it's up to the DNC to decide how to proceed, and I would hope that it would do so recognizing what's at stake,'' Clinton said in the interview late Sunday.


She says Obama does not want Florida's votes to count. She kept on in the interview.

So why didn't she speak up sooner about the need to count the votes of Florida Democrats, rather than wait until her campaign was in trouble after losses in Iowa and South Carolina?

"I was a little preoccupied,'' she said, laughing. "I was trying to stay alive, frankly."

.."The elected officials in Michigan were all united — let's revote. The Democratic National Committee decided to support a revote. The only person who didn't want to let people vote was Sen. Obama,'' Clinton responded.

"The cynical explanation is, no, Sen. Obama does not want people's votes to count. We're Democrats. I thought we believed in counting votes."


Just not true. The states refused the revote. The DNC offered it, the states said no.

A lawsuit that those bringing it don't believe in. Continued attacks on the party's chairman from the campaign. I don't believe I have ever seen this kind of intimidation toward a DNC chairman before. Boggles the mind...so many scenarios, so little time.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. Political power
These folks want to be players. They come in all flavors.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:37 PM
Response to Original message
2. I have never seen such intimidation of the party chairman before.
Another example is Bill Nelson threatening blood on the floor at convention.

"In an interview with WPTV news Senator Bill Nelson says Florida folks do not react well to having their votes taken away. He says the National Democratic party just does not understand. He says he tried to "settle this thing" nine months ago. He said Howard Dean and the rest of the committee (he thinks there are only about 300 of them) did not want to sit down and work it out".

"Senator Nelson discussed a possible solution for the democratic delegate issue – and voiced concern that if something wasn’t done soon to reach a compromise there could be “blood on the floor” in Denver during this year’s Democratic Convention."

It is called threatening the coach, or Bribing the Referee



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:39 PM
Response to Original message
3. Ooh, ooh, I know!
To be a huge dick.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #3
14. bingo.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:39 PM
Response to Original message
4. Florida with their voter supression laws
would not be good for democrats anyway. After all, it was Florida.......

I'm just sayin'....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. Too much power in SOS hands. No legislative oversight.
The Secretary of State is appointed by the governor, with no oversight from the legislature.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:50 PM
Response to Original message
5. What's overlooked in all this talk of the DNC
is that this was all precipitated by the DLC - it's a powerplay, nothing more or less. The corporate wing has had it in for Dean ever since he replaced McAuliffe and they set up this whole thing to discredit him.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:43 AM
Response to Original message
6. Too bad those Democratic leaders in Florida
are too wimpy to go after their GOP legislature.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. They knew the rules ahead of time - the campaigns agreed with the rules
and the backdoor way in which Clinton is trying to use those two states will cause more than problems with those two states. If she gets that nomination based on those two states, there will be a mass exodus from this party and a lingering feeling of being dictated to by Florida and Michigan and Hillary Clinton that will be a pill never swallowed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. All they had to do to keep their delegates was vote no...show good faith.
Florida's failure. They did not act "in good faith".

"In the event a state shall become subject to subsections (1), (2) or (3) of section C. of this rule as a result of state law but the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, after an investigation, including hearings if necessary, determines the state party and the other relevant Democratic party leaders and elected officials took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith to achieve legislative changes to bring the state law into compliance with the pertinent provisions of these rules and determines that the state party and the other relevant Democratic party leaders and elected officials took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith in attempting to prevent legislative changes which resulted in state law that fails to comply with the pertinent provisions of these rules, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee may determine that all or a portion of the state’s delegation shall not be reduced. The state party shall have the burden of proving by clear and convincing evidence that it and the other relevant Democratic party leaders and elected officials took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith to achieve legislative changes...."

Voting 115 to 1 is not showing good faith.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. Wimpy?
I say collaborators.

Now about that cheeseburger.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ToughLuck Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:28 AM
Response to Original message
9. Dean should have had put more emphasis on the FACT that the Florida Dems
KNOWINGLY voted with the Republicans to move the election up , with the exception of one guy.
If the Dems had voted NO, they would have had half of their delegates count, as that is how it went down for the Republicans. Dean needs to CONSTANTLY and loudly remind Florida voters of this truth. Florida voters need to vote these arrogant assholes who gambled with their votes out of office. These lawsuits are from the same corrupt jerks who voted to change the primary.

Just why is it that Florida is so corrupt??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. He often says that they knew the rules and chose to break them.
And points out they agreed and voted for them.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:28 PM
Response to Original message
11. I'll say it out loud. They are being a nuisance...filing suit after suit.
They are trying to cost the DNC money fighting lawsuits, while big donors who support Hillary are attacking Dean publicly, threatening to get their money back.

It is a fight to the finish, and it is a corporate vs the people fight.

The activists had a choice to fund Dean's strategy, and they chose not to do so in the needed numbers.

That is why the big donors still have the power.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:52 PM
Response to Original message
13. I think the Florida Democratic State Party...
should form it's own party. That way they can make up their own damn rules as they see fit, and stop fucking with the National Party. Rogue state indeed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. They have been obnoxious.
And most of the most obnoxious are Hillary superdelegates like Wasserman Schultz, Bill Nelson, and Corinne Brown (I think Brown is a SD).

They are so angry, and they are not letting up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:54 PM
Response to Original message
17. The other 49 states in the Dem. Party need to back the DNC give the leaders in Fl a
good smack down. The leaders of the party in that state have done the voters of this party, both the Fl voters and Democratic voters nationwide, a great harm. Their hubris and incomprehensible behavior has caused this entire problem. I'm sure they did not know they would. They could not have known the vote would be this close, but that does not excuse their behavior.

Metaphorically speaking. Unlike some, I don't really want actual blood drawn.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:22 PM
Response to Original message
18. It's a DINO rampage!
Man, I thought the Republicans were dirty!
This shit is low even for the running to the right democratic crowd.
I find it ironic that they are defending the rights of white people when these same yahoos did nothing when thousands of minority voters were disenfranchised in 2000, 2002, 2004,and 2006.
These guys make the politicians here in KY seem positively gentlemanly in their efforts to screw everyone around them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 06:02 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC