72% of US Military Casualties in Iraq have occurred on OBAMAS WATCH

A total of 4071 American Soldiers have died since the beginning of hostilities.

Barack Obama joined the US Senate in early November of 2004 as the anti-war candidate and since then 2945 American soldiers have perished.

What has Obama done except to provide speeches? The blood of these soldiers is on his hands.

Just think of all the Iraqi civilians he could have saved if he had done something. He's all talk and no action.

And don't give me this bullshit that he will get the troops out, because Hillary will too. If you are going to hold her personally responsible for every death, then you might want to take a look at the candidate who talks a good talk, but can't seem to walk the good walk.

He has done NOTHING, NOTHING and hangs his hat and your hopes on a speech.

Hillary supported the war before she didn't.

within the same parameters of the OP?

And the percentage is 100%, a stat I'm sure gives great comfort to the families of the 72%.

BTW, is Obama still saying he's ending the war in 2009? I've lost track of his various plans.

sycophants that hitch their wagon to the feeding trough. What I would like to see is the disbandment of all PACs and jail time for all the underhanded shady deals for those complicit in compromising their positions of authority.

28% more shit on this subject than obama does

Defunding is not the answer, because I find it more than likely that Bush would repeat his using of the troops as a political tool and keep them there unfunded.

They have to pass a veto-proof act to witddraw them. If you can drum up the other 66 votes, I can promise Obama will deliver the 67th.

as your suggestion somehow blames him for the GOP members in the senate. We haven't had a decent majority in the senate for quite some time.

While I am npt sure your hobby seems to be attacking Obama, I guess supporting Hillary wasn't paying off as well?

I guess May 2010 is close enough for you.

Your candidate FUCKING VOTED FOR THE THING....WITHOUT EVEN READING THE DOCUMENTS!

Apart from that, their votes have been similar. Except, you know, Kyl-Lieberman, which she voted for.

Fuck, fuck, fuck. You people are obstinately obtuse.

obliterate !!!

And go into Pakistan to get AQ and Bin Laden, you know the ones that really attacked the USofA.

He voted against the cluste rbombs hillary supports.

The goddess of peace is not about peace at all. She ignored the NIE with regard to Iraq and ignores it with regard to Iran. An ignorant war monger.

January 20th, 2009. Vote like Hillary? Like for cluster-bombs, which she's evidently stockpiling to use on Iran? For instance.

Get off the Clinton war machine teat. Breath some fresh air stop blaming others for your candidates police of death.

Leave them stranded in Iraq, without food, water, protection, and transportation back to the US? One senator has no power to STOP the war. At least he didn't vote to START it.

I guess you aren't aware that your idol votes for every funding bill that comes up, when every Democrat prior to the 2006 elections said that the only way to end the war would be to vote NO to the funding bills.

The majority of Dems have kept voting to fund the war. Our entire Dem leadership has failed to live up to the promises made during the 2006 election. Neither candidate will be able to get our troops out as easily as you think. The blood of our soldiers are on the hands of Bush and Company.

for every single soldier and civilian death in Iraq.

We should all be placing the blame right where it belongs

I think you have invented a straw man.

She certainly shares SOME of the responsibility with the other democrats who voted to allow it, though.

there's how many threads on the "front page" of GDP that i would have to slog through to find the "offensive" things you are talking about? Not worth my time.

Yeah, and try being less of an ass about it and you might actually get someone to listen to your deluded rantings...

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Give me a link, or shut it.

one looking like a fool.

"Give me a link, or shut it"

Obama supporters blame clinton for every Iraq death.

It is a scurrilous claim, and has yet to be supported.

There are hundreds claiming this

not only by Obama, the hypocrite, but by Hillary and the rest of our Dems. Until Obama practices what he preaches, and votes down the next funding bill, then he most certainly does fit the description.

"the blood of soldiers on Obama's hands" wehn YOUR candidate VOTED "Yea" on the IWR without ever reading the NIE report which offered doubts to the WMD claims?

You've lost it.

You are not making sense.

That is what the poster said and yet you claim the post made no sense. What planet have you been living on for 8 years?

I think you have a reading comprehension problem- the 2nd time in 2 days you have not understood one of my posts; the other was when you insisted Blumenthal was not a Hillary campaign advisor and numerous posters, including myself presented information to the contrary. The post I am referring to:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5777550#5777618


Are you being intentionally provocative?

Excerpt the portion that makes sense to you, and defend it. The OP did not mention B*sh. I am starting to question n your motivations at DU.

2. If funding = blood on one's hands, WHY are you supporting Hillary?

Sijplistic and illogical reasoning there. And I suspect the poster "leftofcool" may not be who he/she purports to be.

and Obama has been voting as she has for the past 3+ years.

even when he shows himself to be nothing but your run of the mill politician.

That's what it's about. Apologists, all of you.

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the authority granted him with the IWR.

And you do know that Obama was the only senator who voted against it, right? Oops, wait a minute, the hypocritical Obama wasn't around to vote back then for it. Maybe that's why he lies whenever he claims to be the only true anti-war candidate from the beginning and then he votes AYE on every vote to enable the war to continue via the funding bills. Kucinich pasted him good for his pathetic hypocrisy during the debates.

which is giving a monkey surrounded by neocons a pass to fulfill their PNAC dreams. And, how do you explain Hillary NOT reading the NIE on the eve of the vote? (and don't list all the others who didn't- THEY are not running for president).

As far as I'm concerned, everyone who voted to give the monkey his war dream has blood on their hands, Repukes and Dems. And they are not fit for the presidency.

Go ahead, defend away.

make up your mind, and make sure you don't tramp on your goddess while attacking Obama. Time to put your nonsense on ignore.

Now you are provoking Obama supporters.... what gives with you? It's not an issue of which candidate you're supporting, but something is a bit odd... are you trying to provoke argument at DU?

Every fault, every trick, every lie that Hillary's campaign tells.

Do you visit the Clinton love sites to get your talking points?

polices and the ability to enact them. No candidate is perfect, but I know who Hillary is. We are just finding out about Obama. Too much risk for me.

I have defended him where I thought a post was unfair. The original OP is fair. He has voted to fund the war every time, period!

The OP did not indict B*sh; it indicted Obama. Your post:

You mean it wasn't Bush's fault?

That is what the poster said and yet you claim the post made no sense. What planet have you been living on for 8 years?

Good gawd.

Throwing Molotov cocktails amy make the OP feel better. Sad.

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because she was a spineless calculating opportunist with no morals or value or beliefs, other than to do whatever has the best chance of gaining her more power.


She thought the war would be popular and over quick... so she voted for it for one reason only, she thought it would help her political career.

And you support that.... no wonder you're desperate to drag Obama down to your disgusting opportunistic warmongering level.

You Obama "supporters" don't like hearing the truth ever, do ya.

who pointed out the hypocrisy of Barack Obama and his claims of being the only true anti-war candidate. Dennis rightfully gave him an embarrassing dose of reality during the debates when he pasted Obama for claiming to be 100% anti-Iraq war, yet turns around and votes AYE for each funding bill that arrives on the Senate floor. Like Kucinich said, if Democrats really wanted to end the war, all they'd have to do is vote down the funding bill, but they're all afraid of being perceived as not supportive of the troops. That includes Obama, Hillary, and everyone else who votes AYE, but Obama is the only hypocrite because he claims to be the only true anti-Iraq war candidate. Kucinich nailed him good.

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candidate. heh. i voted for Nader in 2004 precisely because of IWR, but that train has left the station. what is the dem (Obama) 2008 position going to be? "We voted for the war before we voted against it?" yeah; that will go over good with the voters.

of stupid anti-obama posts that you have made.You've turned yourself into a clown. Do you wear a red rubber ball on your nose and big floppy shoes when you post?

That's what's stupid.

they had better fund it and find another way to bring them home. To vote not to fund this $#@%^&* war would have been nothing but symbolic. You people know damned well that it would never have passed. This stupid shit boggles the mind.

Stop playing fucking word games with out soldier lives at stake.

fallacy. The only way to end this war with bush in office is to cut off the funding. But the anti-war candidate obama couldn't find the fortitude within himself to do that, so he straddled the fence.

BUT, do you believe the Bush administration would meekly say "Ok.. Well, I guess the Democrats have won this one. Lets bring he troops home now."

Really? Honestly?

I don't buy it and I don't think you do either. Bush\Cheney would leave the troops in theater without supplies. They would watch our men and women die and use their blood to score political points against the Democrats. Or do you think they are too nice for that? Do you think they care about the safety of our troops too much to use them as pawns?

No, this is just a cheap, hypocritical attack on Obama.

don't ever tell me to stop playing games when soldier's lives are at stake. I've stood outside a local Post Office on numerous Saturday mornings over the last two years, protesting this war and even our own Senators who continue to enable the war by voting to fund it. Dennis Kucinich is 100% correct when he says that Democrats could stop this war in a second if they all get together to vote down funding....but they're all worried that they'll be blamed for "losing" the war.

It doesn't even take a lot of brains to figuer this out.

That truth represents a person posing as a clown to you, merely shows off how much you like to express your pipe dreams.

In preparing the speech he used words that others had already spoken. Wellstone, Hillary, and many others had already voiced the concerns he copied and tried to pretend they were his ideas. He was running for office, and needed those votes in the Chicago area - - nothing else.

In that speech he added things like - I don't oppose all wars just dumb wars and used the Civil War as an example of a war that was not dumb. God help us.

In that speech he kept saying "I know" - yet to this very day has not even once attempted to explain how he knew anything. He cannot explain it, because he was clueless back then regarding the distorted intelligence information, the fake yellow cake documents, the lying former-Iraqis, the irresponsibility behind the New York Times reports - - - - he was totally dependent entirely on copping what others had said. And this dishonesty blended with his willingness to tickle ears to pander votes has become one of Obama's greatest assets.

Not only will your despicable queen never be president, she will most likely never be elected to another public office. Thank god another war monger is through.

in the first place. The South was dumb for trying to leave the Union and Lincoln was dumb for the way it was handled from the get go.

The massive deaths and destruction caused by the Civil War, the long-term aftermaths of the destruction, the decades and now centuries of repercussion from the unresolved issues prove the war was dumb.

Do I think the emancipation of slaves could have come to fruition without the war? YES

Do I think the Civil War was the results of the abject failure of many men that lacked the necessary skills to successfully run this beautiful nation back then? YES

up is down? ignorance is strength?

He did this merely to tickle the ears of those at the anti-war rally - - exactly the way he gave his 'my parents crossed that bridge and I was born' speech that totally distorted the events in Alabama long after he was born, doing this to merely tickle the ears of those standing before him- - - exactly the way he said JFK was responsible for his daddy coming from Africa to school here, lying, pretending that his daddy did not come here before the notable involvement of JFK in the program.

This grabbing of sound bites to pepper his speeches is one of Obama's greatest assets.

Pure insanity. When history is written about this war, Obama's hands will be clean. Bush and the neocons will be most guilty but HRC will share much blame for her politically expedient vote. The vote that will clearly cost her this primary.

is responsible for taking us into iraq. And he will be gone, in January 2009.

Bullshit! He has voted every time to fund it. There are no clean hands.

Of the 26 Senators that voted against IWR, how many have voted for funding since?

soldiers would have been protected even without funding the war

about Obama? Didn't you see that bit of news yesterday? But you see no error in Clinton, she is your "immortal beloved" (reference to Berlioz), your "idee fixe". You cannot be critical of her because to do so would ruin your sense of worth and belonging so instead you sing your own "Songe d'une nuit de sabbat"

and, sorry, but the HRC campaign did use racism - but you know that, you just ignore it.

Well at long last I have given up on you, I only have 5 people on ignore - well 6 in a second

dead people? Or, is everything just a misty rosy hue?

you see "political smears." They are not images but real people, and the question at hand is not so much who has died but how the killing will be stopped now.

However, I have a question I will repeat that you and all the most ardent HRC supporters fail to answer. Will you vote for Obama if he wins nomination? I kind of hope you will say no so we don't have to read your lies and trash here anymore.

Your parents need their basement back. I can change the subject of any OP when it is as absurd as this one. Will you be supporting Obama in the fall if he wins the nomination? BTW, I post 1.5 times/day. But that's because I have a couple kids, a wife, several degrees, hobbies, a job and a life in general.

Maybe you need to get some sunshine too. Your OP was one of the most ridiculous I have ever read. BTW, will you be supporting Obama in the fall if he wins nomination?

He's the biggest hypocrite in the world for claiming to be anti-Iraq war and then voting AYE to fund it to continue because like all the other Democrats, he's afraid of being called unsupportive of the troops. Obama is on a self-serving mission, just like the rest of them who say one thing and then vote AYE.

Dennis Kucinich gave Obama a dose of humble pie about this during the debates. Maybe you weren't watching.

I was shocked when he started off his career in the Senate by voting to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State. Ms. Rice was one of the chief criminals who had conspired to take us into an illegal and immoral war, a war I had been led to believe Mr. OBama opposed. His voting record, including votes to continue funding for the criminal and illegal occupation of Iraq and the renewal of the so-called "Patriot" Act, has shown me to have had too much HOPE when I supported him, expecting CHANGE, but getting only the SAME OLD, SAME OLD.

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you know as well as I do that he has admitted he probably would have voted for the war had he been in the Senate at the time.

I'm sorry that your candidate keeps voting for this B.S.

says one thing to one group and one thing to another.

any more than I blame Kucinich for not succesfully stopping the war.

But Clinton's vote for Kyl-Lieberman proves that she still hasn't learned her lesson.

Being "anti-war" and all.

I dont think so. He said it best = Hillary and other voted to drive the bus into the ditch, he is just trying to drive it out of the ditch.

You don't lie about your Nixonian "secret plan" to get us out.

Do I trust the senator who had a chance to vote against it but didn't, or the citizen who spoke out against it at the time when everyone was calling dissenters "unpatriotic?" Do I trust the woman who didn't bother to read the intelligence estimate before voting to support cowboy diplomacy, or the man who says the way to peace in the world is not through ballistics but through talking to those who are not like us? Do I trust the senator who has lied and contorts language in the gambit of the day or the one with a consistent message?

When it counted, he ducked for cover, hiding behind his Senator mentor, Joe Lieberman.

What's your fucking point?

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Yeah, we really need another warmongerer in the WH.

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if he was a US Senator then, in all probablility.

When it comes to funding the war he's the biggest hypocrite of anyone, just as Dennis Kucinich told him to his face during the debates.

I love Kucinich, but his strategy to stop the war has not been successful.

If Obama wins this, he will stop the war.

'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. ... What would I have done? I don't know,' , "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made"
He said this as he ran for the Senate.


I like that better than Hillary Clinton, who did not read the CIA National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi WMD before voting on the IWR.

Hillary and McCain both voted for Kyl-Lieberman-

Get your facts straight next time. McCain didn't vote for the Kyle-Lieberman bill. McCain and Obama were the only two Senators who didn't have the balls to show up and vote for it.

Obama was present for the Iran vote the day it was to take place. However, the vote was postponed. Obama was only told about the reschedule an hour before the vote took place…and he was in NH at the time.

Your "fact-checking" doesn't reflect the actual reality. Get your reality straight.

and you're telling ME to get my reality straight? Precious!

which is the only thing that matters.

That's some reality you've got there!

Obama was only told about the reschedule an hour before the vote took place…and he was in NH at the time.

He issued a statement right after the vote expressing his opposition.

but keep convincing yourself that your idol is as pure anti-war as you think he is. I'm done with this silly little exchange because you invent excuses for anything he does.

you only care about the anti-obama spin that you can put on it

Hillary voted for it, but McCain didn't. Obama and McCain were the only two Senators who didn't have the guts to show up and vote for this bill...obviously for self-serving political purposes so they couldn't be called on it in the future General Election.

he didn't need to vote for it.

Like I already said, McCain and Obama were the only Senators who didn't have the guts to show up and vote on this....for obvious self-serving political reasons.

i`m not sure why you think he has the power to stop the war other than your hatred for him blinds you to the truth....only 61 senators can stop this war.

if you choose to hate as your solution then hate the 61 senators who refuse to stop this war and that includes hillary

What I dislike is people making arguments that blame Hillary exclusively for this war and leave out Bush.

some responsibility for enabling. Will you be supporting Obama if he wins the nomination? I am compiling a list of people I will be saying bye bye to real soon.

is you problem, wouldn't you like to know. It's a fuckin stupid question anyhow.

I'm sorry you won't get to play at your oasis anymore but I'm sure all of you HRC supporters will find refuge at some other site such as hrcsupportgroup.com loserswithnolifeanymore.com

Will you be supporting Obama in the fall if he is the nominee?

and make plenty of assumptions, go ahead and make some more.

It's really quite simple, I will show you how it is done. Joe, will you be supporting HRC if in the extremely rare case, she wins the nomination? Joe answers yes, I will even campaign for her as well as vote for her. Joe asks: Massdem, will you be supporting Obama in the fall if he wins the nomination. Massdem fails to answer the question.

What other conclusion can I draw if you fail to answer the simple question?

i think the only one that has been more constituent is Feingold. hillary voted for the war as did just about everyone else. those who post that she was the only one are just plain wrong.

you do realize that no matter which person gets to the white house we will be in iraq for more time than what either candidate is saying?

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short, unintelligible comments on a frequent basis.

plagiarism neatly tucked inside some puff stuff of his.

I expected better of DUers.

hands. In the senate you are only ONE of many - he was also in a REthug Senate in 2002 through 2006.

Put your hate where it belongs against the current administration.

Cheers
Sandy

The answer is it would not have. And if you really want to get down to the nub of the whole thing, Hillary did not want to go into Iraq, she wanted the US to have leverage for inspections and that worked. What bush did after that lies at his feet and cheney's ONLY.

The Ds who voted yes all voted from a position of cowardice. Had the war gone spectacularly they would have been on the wrong side of a popular war.

BTW that includes Kerry, Edwards, etc.

They are the same insane people that are living in HRC fantasy land. A land where HRC can do no wrong but when confronted with the truth they blame the other guy. These people post about 20-80 times a day, won't say if they will support Obama if he wins the nomination, and generally have no life.

They give good insight into the mind of a HRC supporter. It also gives me a chance to ask the question: Will you be supporting Obama in the fall if he is the nomination? Have you answered that one yet? I like to show everyone how this question is avoided.

Of course that was Nov 2003.
The campaign built on change ...changing one's mind is what he really meant.

wow. how come he hasn't ended the war yet? :eyes:

You should tell Hillary to make this argument. Let's see how far she goes with it. :)

You do know that everyone in DU made up their minds about who shares responsibility for getting us in Iraq, don't you? You understand that all the spinning in the world won't change this fact, right? When only Hilbots agree with you, that speaks volumes.

by Obama supporters that Hillary has blood on her hands, not george bush.

Has blood on their hands....All Hillary had to do was to say she made a mistake voting FOR the war.
Every one who voted with bush was wrong...rubber stamping his decision was wrong....But we all know most lacked the COURAGE to do so, do they have troulbe sleeping at night, probably not because for the most part, it's not their kids dying over there.

would regretting her vote be enough for you?

every two years? And during those elections, have not all of the representatives in D.C. and one third of the senators been elected, reelected, or replaced? And of the ones reelected time and time again, how many of those are equally complicit?

What steps have been taken by persons who espouse the meme of "WDOD" (What did Obama do) about ousting those who are guilty of the same sin you ascribe to Obama? Are there not others in the same halls whose hands are as bloody as you say Obama's are?

who say hillary has blood on her hands and it is solely her responsibility.

is too much.

For local and state elections, I usually vote against an incumbent. I'm practically there for the nationals now.

I'm from New York and I'm not even sure the name of her Democratic challenger if she even had one. Nobody was going to chose a republican over Hillary in New York. This primary is showing what many feel about Hillary's decision.

is against it? I ask that of everyone in Washington-Why?

The best option they have, and they have tried it, is funding phased re-deployment, or funding withdrawel. They have put some of those bills up, and they have been out voted.

Except for Webb, Feingold and a few others, they have all been too compliant.

The point is we have a choice between two candidates now.

One who supported, gave speeches about the need for and authorized an illegal and unfounded war.

And, one who spoke out against it, calling it for what is was, and ended up being right about the crippling effect on our country, our economy and our military.

Of course chimpy, dickie and their war crimes administration is to blame. But, they did it with the support of many Democrats.

This war was a mistake, and illegal. It broke out country and we are suffering a recession and losing many lives because of it. The experts and inspectors at the time told us it was a big mistake.

If I have the choice to vote for someone who understood that at the time, or someone who either bought the propaganda or supported it's aims....
I choose the one who got it right.

and he has continued to vote the same exact way as Hillary and continues to fund and support this war.

Hillary couldn't see that coming. He got it right, she got it wrong. Judgment.

I hope you get bammed the day he wins the nomination after you implode.

Or is this really the best you can do?

It's the "Hillary is entitled to the throne" mentality in this one. I don't disagree with open blatant racism from the Clinton camp on other occasions but I think this one is born out of complete disbelief that their Queen will not be coronated as they once thought.

Besides it reeks of the most ridiculous of accusations. After all it was her vote that sent them there to begin with and her Kyl/Lieberman vote that would keep them there engaged in a World War for generations into the future.

Of course you can't point this out to the same delusional people who were calling her "The Goddess of Peace" just weeks before she said she would "obliterate" Iran with nuclear weapons.

Usually Goddesses of Peace aren't threatening to exterminate a country who doesn't even have equal weaponry in return.

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