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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:35 AM
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Hillary Clinton, the gun control advocate turned hunter, attacks Obama on guns in negative mailer
Clinton mail attacks Obama on guns



Hillary Clinton has re-opened her sharp attack on Barack Obama's position on guns, with a mailer in Indiana that seeks to raise questions about him with both supporters and opponents of gun rights.

The mailing -- perhaps the sharpest-edged of Clinton's five negative mail pieces in Indiana -- casts him as a typical politician, saying different things to different audiences. It also revives his damaging comments in San Francisco that small town people cling to guns.

Then, making the harsh case more broadly, the mailer asks: "What does Barack Obama really believe?"

The piece is particularly striking coming from Clinton, who has been seen for most of her career as a firm advocate of gun control, but more recently has emerged as a defender of the Second Amendment who fondly recalled being taught to shoot by her grandfather in Scranton.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_mail_attacks_Obama_on_guns.html
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:37 AM
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1. I've noticed on these mailers, it doesn't talk about Hillary at all.
It doesn't have a picture of her or her stands, it just says in small letters at the bottom "paid for by Hillary Clinton for president". It's weird.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:37 AM
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2. LOL...The pot is calling the kettle black..
Name ONE, pro gun law, Hillary has voted for????
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:22 PM
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31. Mrs. Clinton Backs Gun-Control Initiatives NY TIMES

Mrs. Clinton Backs Gun-Control Initiatives
NY TIMES
Hillary Rodham Clinton endorsed a series of stringent gun-control measures yesterday, calling for the licensing of all new gun owners and the registration of new guns.

'Many will argue that we don't need sensible gun control, and that these measures undermine the rights of gun owners. And of course, we all know the slogan that guns don't kill, only people do. We have to do more to stand up to those who refuse to believe the reality that guns do kill, and that common-sense gun measures can make a difference.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9503E4DC1E38F933A25756C0A9669C8B63
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* Seven days after the 1999 Columbine school massacre in which 12 students and a teacher were murdered, Bill and Hillary Clinton held a press conference on gun control legislation. Bill Clinton stated:

"And we smile about that, but there are some people who would be on this platform today who lost their seats in 1994 because they voted for the Brady Bill and they voted for the assault weapons ban, and they did it in areas where people could be frightened."
"Do we know for absolutely certain that if we had every reasonable law and the ones I'm going to propose here that none of these school violence things would have happened? No. But we do know one thing for certain; we know there would have been fewer of them, and there would have been fewer kids killed in the last several years in America. We know that for certain. We know that." (Applause) (25)

* In April of 1999, Bill and Hillary Clinton held a press conference on gun control legislation. Hillary Clinton stated:

"And since the crime bill was enacted, 19 of the deadliest assault weapons are harder to find on our streets. We will never know how many tragedies we've avoided because of these efforts." (25)

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:38 AM
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3. She makes it too easy.
May 9, 2000
Hillary Clinton renews call for gun licensing and registration

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/05/09/hrc.guns/index.html
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:39 AM
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4. It took me 2 minutes to find, format and post.
:eyes:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:41 AM
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7. Hillary telegraphs to Indiana voters: "You are fucking idiots who dont' know how to use The Google."
Despicable.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:43 AM
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11. The Panderer in Chief. nt
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:47 AM
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13. Hillary Clinton Appeals for Gun Control Lobbying - May 1999
She announced these proposals to New York residents on Mother's Day, 1999.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E7D9173FF93AA35756C0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

She was for Handgun Control before she was against it.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:52 AM
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16. Hillary Clinton on Gun Control
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:58 AM
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20. The trouble is many people won't research this n/t
:hi:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:59 AM
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21. I'm banking on Indiana voters remembering eight years of the Clinton Administration.
Their gun control stance used to make wingnuts' heads explode! Does she really think we've forgotten?

:hi:
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:29 PM
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35. Who has forgotten? "we" ? The wingnuts and you or just "we"? confusing. n/t
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:31 PM
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37. I loved the Clintons, I appreciated their stance on gun control, and this new tack by her...
... is just maddening.

Hillary's the one whose transition to Wingnut Gun-Lovin' Iran-Obliteratin' Neocon is finally complete.

Did I make myself clear?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:00 AM
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45. Did I make myself clear? Yes but not on anything that
i really give a shit about.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:40 PM
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39. We. As in real people. Little people. Voters whose memories are good enough
that Hillary's constant reinventions aren't fooling anyone.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:38 PM
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38. You're probably right. People will remember that
and the people who are too young to remember will go research it.


It's embarrassing to watch the first presidential run with women at the top going down in history books as laughing stock. She's nutz. :hi:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:39 AM
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5. So suddenly, Hillary Clinton doesn't' believe in gun control????
Good gawd, Hillary. :eyes: Love your "extreme gun control makeover."
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:40 AM
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6. Rotten & hypocritical for her to do this, after being a gun control advocate.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:42 AM
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8. Why do they show a left handed bolt action rifle?
Maybe one in a thousand of those produced is left handed yet here it is in an ad.

I doubt if anyone on Hillary's staff (including her) realizes this is a left handed action.

The ultimate pander. Can't even get it fright
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:43 AM
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10. Ooooohhhhh!!! Good work, tularetom!
"The ultimate pander," indeed.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:45 AM
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12. And why is it pointed in the direction of Barack's head. nm
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:47 AM
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14. Oh god
You just gave me chills. You're absolutely right.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:48 AM
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15. No idea
Maybe because obama is left handed? Other than that I'm stumped :shrug:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:03 PM
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24. Bizarre, isn't it?? Veterans (and shooters) of my era look at that and go "huh?"
It's a stunningly CLUELESS graphic.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:43 AM
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9. One more reason to dislike Hillary
She is absolutely shameless

She is trying to kill the party

She may have already done it.

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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:54 AM
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17. Hunters & Shooters, a gun owner group, has endorsed Obama.
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geek_sabre Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:00 PM
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22. not exactly a genuine 2A organization nt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:57 AM
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18. Totally Loathesome n/t
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:57 AM
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19. sorry about my dupe of this... nt
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:03 PM
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23. Hillary, with a solid F from the NRA is really the one to make the argument?
What a laugher! She has essentially the same positions as Obama on gun control, with one difference. She never supported a total ban.

However, Obama's once-held belief on a complete ban on handguns will sink him in the general election.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:03 PM
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25. It's not an issue! NOT! No issue! More important issues. Not an issue!...
How many times have you heard fellow DUers say this, even as the candidates bring it up themselves? Yet many of these DUers will tell you, if Democrats win the presidency and get strong majorities in the Congress, that we should re-new the AWB, or call for gun registration, etc. Do they want history to repeat itself? Are they addicted?

Pro-2A folks on DU aren't making it an issue. The NRA has trouble making it an issue. The gun-controllers ARE making it an issue.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:07 PM
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26. Funny nobody brings up the Clintons' support of "assault weapons" bans and other anti-gun nonsense.
She shouldn't be talking. We can just dig up her Congressional record and all her public statements.

She's a flip-flopper, who brags about trying to ban handguns one day, then acts like Annie Oakley the next. I may disagree with Obama's positions, but he's always been in favor of some gun control, within the bounds of the Second Amendment. He's at least honest about it.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:07 PM
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27. Commenters on Politico find the imagery to be outrageous
Is it really an "accident" that the rifle is pointed at him, seems to go through his head? Was that necessary, why even put the same picture on both sides of the mailer?

We're gonna hear more about this. Bank on it.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:09 PM
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28. Great Idea. Now that's politics.
While Obama supporters are whining about Hillary's position on gun control, the mailer is ONLY asking about Obama's position.

Very smart.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:13 PM
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29. Sigh, this is so sad and predictable!!
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:15 PM
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30. Hillary: YOU HAVE LOST.. Quit helping McCain..
Shes just a sore loser that doesnt know when to quit..
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:23 PM
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32. Direct mail is soooo last century
who bothers to read junk mail anyway
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:27 PM
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33. If I'm an Indiana voter, as I once actually was, I get this along with other pieces of junk mail..
...a quick glance tells me Obama doesn't want hand guns in Chicago. Hell, who does? That he is for the second ammendment...OK...and that he made the bitter comment...yeah, knew about that...no biggie. That's it, I gave the thing all the time it deserved, and it goes into the trash. If I were a Clinton contributor, I would be pissed that my money is being spent on something so disposable.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:28 PM
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34. It's all part of the 3AM Strategy
He wants to take your guns away!!! Only Hillary will protect you when she pops up from behind the couch sportin' a Glock and wastin' that scary man who broke into your house at 3:00 am trying to steal your children!!!

:puke:
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:50 PM
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40. LOL!
Appreciate the levity, it's much needed nowadays with things heating up as they are!
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:29 PM
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36. she is a hack.
a total republican hack.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:52 PM
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41. Obama is a pandering phony
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:57 PM
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42. down in the DU Gungeon, it's been said that
the first one of the two that unequivocably declares a complete turnaround concerning the 2nd Amendment will clinch the nomination and win the election by a landslide.

80 million gunowners/voters, something to think about......

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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:48 PM
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43. Obama has a very strict gun control record over 11 years.
Any turnaround will be seen as a major flop to win votes. And it won't succeed.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:42 PM
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44. yes, but honest sincerity
would go a long way. I know, it's asking one or both of them to "testify", but at this stage if it's spoken from the heart I'd accept it.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:03 AM
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46. Apparently, not only is the mailer incorrect factually, but the image
presented is causing amusement among those who know guns. The firearm pictured is nonexistent.:rofl:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_mailings_gun_gaffe.html
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