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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:56 AM
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Dean was only partly right on Fox...and Carville is being a smart ass again.
First, I only partially agree with what Howard Dean said on Fox today. It is not on here until this evening, but I read this at The Hill. Dean is right. But he leaves out that our own Democrats are doing it, too.

Dean: GOP uses ‘hate’ and ‘race baiting’ to win

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said Sunday that Republicans are using “hate and divisiveness” to win elections. Dean argued that the use of Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) former pastor Jeremiah Wright in GOP ads in local races is “race baiting.”

“When you start bringing up things that have nothing to do with the candidate and nothing to do with the issues, that’s race baiting,” Dean said on Fox News Sunday in response to a question whether the Wright issue and his ties to Obama hurt Democrats down ticket.

“There’s a lot of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats on issues, but the biggest issue of all is we don’t use this kind of stuff. We never have used this kind of stuff, and we’re not going to start now,” said the DNC chairman. “America is more important than the Republican Party, and that’s the lesson that the voters are about to teach the Republicans.”


I think he is of necessity being very tactful. I am quite sure he knows that others have played the race-baiting game as well.

The words of Clinton's campaign leaders saying they will continue to use Wright as a issue.

The words are there of McAuliffe, Wasserman Schultz, and Harold Ickes...in their own words.

As to James Carville....I could not believe what he said to Newsweek and Eleanor Clift. Well, yes, I believe it...but it is tasteless.

Showing His Mettle

Reminded that Obama continues to narrow the lead that Hillary once enjoyed among superdelegates, Carville quips, "A superdelegate commitment and four bucks will get you a cup of coffee at the Ritz-Carlton." Perhaps he had in mind Joe Andrew, former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, appointed by Bill Clinton, who endorsed Hillary on the day she announced for president, and Thursday switched his endorsement to Obama, saying he thinks it's time for the party to come together. Carville takes the view that the longer Obama is out there under scrutiny, the more the voters see his vulnerabilities. "Everything that's happened to him is not because of her. She hasn't laid much of a glove on him other than just being there," Carville says.

Obama didn't have much choice in deciding to take on Wright. It was a fight he did all he could to avoid, acting only when it threatened to destroy his candidacy. "The Republicans will eat him alive" is what the Clinton campaign is telling the superdelegates. Hillary is the tougher of the two, the candidate you want on your side in a knife fight, a gender reversal that prompts Carville to indulge in some ribald humor: "If she gave him one of her cojones, they'd both have two."


That is the kind of smart ass answer I would expect from him.





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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:00 PM
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1. If Hillary wins the Lion's share of NC and ALL of Indiana on Tuesday
Howard may have another problem...admitting Obama can't get his groove back!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:04 PM
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3. I'll meet you at the Holiday Inn bar in Raleigh Tuesday night, Tellurian.
We'll watch the returns on the tv machine.

First round's on me.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:08 PM
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7. Keep dreaming.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:01 PM
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2. Ya mean like the "knife fight" hillary put up against the Iraq war resolution?
once again car-ville reveals what a low life piece of shit he is.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:04 PM
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4. That's Car-VILE, tyvm.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:06 PM
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5. I am so digging Carville. He just says it. No apologies either.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:36 PM
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22. I am so digging your digging Carville. True loyalty.
To the nth degree. To the end.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:07 PM
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6. Carville has broken new ground
proving that one CAN be BOTH a smartass and a dumbass. :think:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:17 PM
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8. My thoughts as well.
He is not likable anymore. I remember when we used to love to see him on TV. Now he changed into something without class at all, and definitely without humor.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:23 PM
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9. He IS becoming Mary M. nt
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:54 PM
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18. He's lost his own spirit and has become as sour-faced as Mary Matlin. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:59 PM
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23. He has changed so much.
He used to be funny, but now he is not. Or maybe I have changed, not sure.
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:26 PM
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10. Question for Carville:
Which one of those "cajones" did Hillary use to stand up to Bush on the IWR vote?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:29 PM
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12. Oh, that was her "henny penny I'll follow bush anywhere"
mode.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:43 PM
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15. Another question. Where does Mary hide his? nt
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:58 PM
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19. Zing!
And can you just imagine the uproar if someone in the Obama campaign suggested The Pantsuit didn't have the "balls" to be president? :hi:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:04 PM
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20. OMG - somebody would be castrated, that's for sure. nt
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:28 PM
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35. well, obama wasn't there for the vote. he may have voted for it too
if he was there. fact of the matter is that he has VOTED TO CONTINUE FUNDING IT SEVEN TIMES!!! he has no room to talk about IWR.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:27 PM
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11. How freakin' dumbass Elitist of carville.
Yeah, hilary has been working on toughening herself up for years and as happens she became unedible beef jerky.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:41 PM
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14. Maybe Dean was sending a warning shot...
about the Wright issue. He has to have known her campaign was pushing it. He just couldn't say so out loud.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:42 PM
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13. When asked if Dean was right...McAuliffe said:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354106,00.html

"Well, gentlemen, first I'd like to get your reaction to what you just heard Howard Dean say, that Republicans making an issue of Reverend Wright is race baiting and using hate.

Mr. McAuliffe, you buy that?

MCAULIFFE: Well, listen. I think there's no place in it for these Republicans to be running these ads with Reverend Wright in it.

I think on the Democratic side, they want to hear about the issues of job creation, health care, how we're going to get our troops out of Iraq fast and safe. And I think that message is what people are concerned about."


Terry, Terry, you have so changed your tune.

..."HANNITY: No, it's clear everybody wants this to go on. I — because I have less than two minutes. I want to go issue by issue.

The Reverend Wright issue, in your opinion, is a legitimate issue, correct?

MCAULIFFE: I agree with Speaker Gingrich. Anything that's been out in the public is fair game.

HANNITY: All right.

MCAULIFFE: Are you kidding me? Wait until the general election, Sean.

HANNITY: Wait until — yes, well, the Bill Ayers issue which we were on — just like the Wright issue.

MCAULIFFE: Yes.

HANNITY: ...we were on way ahead of anybody. You think that's a legitimate issue?

MCAULIFFE: I think everything is a legitimate issue. Hillary Clinton nothing's ever been taken off the table for her."

Using Wright as an issue.


Two faced Terry.


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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:46 PM
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16. The problem with Hillary giving up one of her nuts is that when they did the transplant
they mistakenly put them in her brain.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:13 PM
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25. Obabots are sooo crude.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:14 PM
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26. Aren't we so glad that Carville has enough class for all of us.
:sarcasm:
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:31 PM
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36. that's okay. men generally think with the other head anyway
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:52 PM
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17. He's implying Obama is too weak to stand up to Hillary. But that's not the case.
It's a choice he's making possibly for several reasons - not wanting to attack another Democrat unnecessarily, doesn't want to create the visual of an angry black man attacking a woman, or because he's winning and doesn't need to.

I don't think we'll see the same kind of kid glove approach in the general election.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:12 PM
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21. The tactics used by her campaign against him are annoying and untrue.
Obama is being classier over all.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:03 PM
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24. "The Republicans will eat him alive"
Carville is right about that, though the rest of his comments are disgusting.

Clinton has barely said anything to criticize Obama, nothing compared to what the GOP will do.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:31 PM
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27. Dean is right, its just that sometimes Democrats act like Republicans
You can't really fault Carville or other supporters for getting snarky - its not like Clinton has given them anything to talk about.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:48 PM
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30. I remember when hubby and I never missed watching Carville on TV
We loved to hear him, but things have changed. It started on Crossfire in 03. I realized I had been very naive about our party. A major goal of Crossfire to was make people think Dean was crazy. Carville changed when Dean came on the scene.

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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:39 PM
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28. Dean said, as much, as he could do on the topic given his position. Good on him.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 10:40 PM by barack the house
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:45 PM
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29. Yes, he was tactful.
But I think he sent a message.
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concerned canadian Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:17 AM
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31. "the candidate you want on your side in a knife fight" ??

There is it again, the vast difference in vision between the Clinton and Obama camps. One camp is preparing for boxing matches and

knife fights and the other one wants to form peaceful alliances and find common ground with former sworn enemies. One wants to

keep fighting, with an endless list of enemies to fight now and in the future. The other speaks of reconciliation and bringing

people together to bring about a real change.

James Carville; it doesn't take cojones to be wise. Big balls does not the character of a person make. And please...

spare me the image of Hillary with 3 balls. I thought she was running as a woman. Seems more and more like a male wanna be.

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:05 AM
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32. Carville's right:: HRC is an attack dog, spoiling for a fight; aching to be a war president
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:09 AM by Divernan
A president spoiling for a fight, with her finger on the nuclear button, is the last thing that the United States, or the rest of humanity needs. Remember, HRC is the one who chose the designation "War Room" for campaigns and legislative initiatives. She thrives on aggression - has an addictive need to fight. Her health initiative failed because she drafted it in secret behind doors closed to the relevant House and Senate Chairpersons and committees. She presented it as a fait accompli, take it or leave it, my way or the highway. She wanted to get the ENTIRE credit for it for herself. Legislation doesn't work that way. The Senators and Reps need to be able to go back to their constituents and say, "Look what I've been working on and voted for." HRC has NEVER learned that basic kindergarden skill: "work and play well with others". She's already sabre rattling about the US providing a nuclear umbrella/military protection for the entire Middle East, as well as nuclear obliteration of an entire civilian population of Iran.

I have come to believe, particularly after reading her own autobiography, and those parts of Bernstein's book detailing her similarly hyper-agressive father, who bullied the hell out of his timid wife and constantly belittled any of his children's achievements, that HRC - who never stood up to her father (and similarly has never successfully stood up to her husband re his serial infidelities) has become progressively more agressive toward whomever and whatever is unfortunate enough to come within the crosshairs of her free-ranging fury.

It started when she went away to college and abandoned Daddy's GOP/Goldwater conservatism to become a student radical and, as the student speaker at her commencement, insult the guest speaker at her college commencement. For those of you who weren't around during the 60's protest movements - a lot of the anti-war fervor was fueled by adolescent rebellion/shouting "fuck you" at the establishment. Police were called Pigs. Google the Chelsea Clinton story from the Secret Service agents. While a teenager, Chelsea had some girl friends visiting her in the White House. Chelsea, in front of her Secret Service detail, referred to her Agents as "My personal trained pigs." When an agent later pointed out to Chelsea that these men and women would put their lives on the line to protect Chelsea, and that Chelsea's parents would be disappointed in Chelsea if they knew how she had demeaned her Secret Service agents, Chelsea replied: "I don't think so - that's what they call you too." Imagine that - in the NINETIES, 30 years AFTER HRC's student rebellion phase, she is still calling not just police, but the Clintons' own Secret Service detail "pigs". With every political failure, public humiliation, and bimbo(as she refers to the needy women her husband seduced) episode, her sublimated rage has grown. Rage does tend to feed on itself. She is only going to get worse.
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N4457S Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:00 AM
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33. Yes...
...and don't think for a minute the Republicans don't know this.

The Democratic party before the sixties didn't used to be so full of these kinds of personalities but today, unfortunately it is.

We haven't elected a President who wasn't from the Sunbelt since 1960. This year will be no different.

Hillary knows that. That's why she's getting ready for 2012, as we speak.
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:07 AM
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34. Carville - looks like "uncle" Duke
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/thecast/duke.html

whoa! love the cheap sunglasses

:hippie:
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Pappy Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:03 PM
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37. If Dean appeared on Fox, he's an idiot.
Only an idiot would give Fox a whirl. He's very lucky they didn't try to make him look stupid.
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