Just a quick reminder, Hillary Clinton is a DLC leader--not just a member.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of folks on here who say they never expected Hillary Clinton to do________ (usually involving some sort of pandering to positions or activities typically attributed to the GOP.) Have you all forgotten that she is not just a card carrying member of the DLC, but that she is part of their leadership?

I know it isn't anyplace many of you probably visit, but have you ever really looked at the DLC website? If you actually are still sitting on the fence in this Primary you might want to take a look at what an active role Hil plays with the DLC:

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137


This Primary is not just about picking between the two remaining Democratic candidates. It is a tragic mistake to forget that one of the candidates--Hillary Clinton--is DLC.



Laura

Al From is founder and chief executive officer of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), a dynamic idea action center of the "Third Way" governing philosophy that is reshaping progressive politics in the United States and around the globe. He is also chairman of the Third Way Foundation and publisher of the DLC's flagship bi-monthly magazine, Blueprint: Ideas for a New Century.

As a founder of the DLC -- birthplace of the New Democrat movement and the Third Way in America -- and its companion think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), From leads a national movement that since the mid-1980s has provided both the action agenda and the ideas for New Democrats to successfully challenge the conventional political wisdom in America and, in the process, redefine the center of the Democratic Party.

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http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=191&contentid=1131



Will Marshall, the head of PPI signed PNAC letters.
(Called "Bill Clinton's idea mill," the Progressive Policy Institute was responsible for many of the Clinton administration's initiatives...)
Starting right after 9/11.
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Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0522-10.htm

More about Will Marshall
Note the PNAC link to the left.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295

Just look what they have done being a part of the bush adm. This should make everyone sit up and pay attention!

I fully believe that the DLC is more than responsible for the problems of the Democratic Party and for that reason alone, I want Hillary Clinton to lose. I am so tired of these Democrats who pander to the DLC at the expense of the people.

BTW GORE WON!


Strange Theory on Why Gore Lost



The so-called Democratic Leadership Council has decided that Al Gore should have acted more like a Republican in order to win the 2000 presidential electoral college vote in addition to his nationwide popular vote victory. This strange finding has drawn some attention, including coverage by the Associated Press and the Environmental News Service -- we have a few excerpts from their reports for you here.
Al Gore, the self-styled environmental candidate in the 2000 Presidential election, lost his bid for the White House because he campaigned on an outdated "populist" platform that was too liberal for most Americans, according to a new report drafted by the Democratic Leadership Council.

The 40-page report, titled "Why Gore Lost, And How Democrats Can Come Back," concludes that the Democratic Party must move towards the political right -- towards the Republicans -- if it wants to regain control of Congress in 2002 and the White House in 2004.

Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

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http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm

Yet the netroots still believes Obama winning would somehow be a great victory in the netroots crusade with the DLC. :rofl:

Is that the case you are trying to make? lol.

The link I provided in my OP is to the webpage headed DLC Leadership Team.



"From left to right: Harold Ford, Jr. is chairman of the DLC. U.S. Sen. Tom Carper is vice chair of the DLC; U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is chair of the DLC's American Dream Initiative; Al From is founder and CEO of the DLC. (Not pictured: Bruce Reed is DLC president; Pennsylvania State Representative Jennifer Mann is chair of the DLC's Legislative Advisory Board (LAB); Columbus (OH) Mayor Michael Coleman is chair of the DLC's Local Elected Officials Network(LEON).)


As I stated, Hillary Clinton is an active DLC LEADER.


Regards!


Laura

and talks like one of them. oh dear.

How you take that is up to you.



Laura

But no, he's not a member.

I hardly find that to be a measuring stick that favors Hillary.

:crazy: netroots "logic".

Obama is a moderate. But he has a consistent set of principles.

Hillary is a conservative in the ways that really count. But she will pretend to be whatever she believes will get her votes. "You want me to be a populist today? Okay, I'll be a populist....You want me to be a 'free market' conservative or a social right winger? I can do that too."

satisfaction riding all the Obama supporters asses for all the "change" he doesn't bring to politics.

bvar22 captured that.

In fact, the DLC tried to associate themselves with Obama, and Obama repudiated them.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

BC was shocked to find Obama’s name associated with the New Democratic Movement, an affiliate of what Bruce Dixon calls the “Republican Trojan Horse in the bowels of the Democratic machinery” – the DLC. In a June 19 Cover Story that included a letter from Obama, posed three “bright line” questions to the candidate, “that should determine whether you belong in the DLC, or not.”

1. Do you favor the withdrawal of the United States from NAFTA? Will you in the Senate introduce or sponsor legislation toward that end?

2. Do you favor the adoption of a single payer system of universal health care to extend the availability of quality health care to all persons in this country? Will you in the Senate introduce or sponsor legislation toward that end?

3. Would you have voted against the October 10 congressional resolution allowing the president to use unilateral force against Iraq?

BC asserted that a “Yes” answer to all three questions would be “anathema” to the DLC, whose leadership “has been unequivocal in their support of NAFTA, opposition to anything resembling national health insurance, and fervently in support of the Iraq war – basic issues of war and peace, life and death, and livelihood.”


According to the article, Obama requested that his name be removed from the New Democratic Movement directory

He got a DLC governor's endorsement just last week (Brad Henry).

Hillary Rodham Clinton

Fulfilling the American Dream
By Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton

Remarks of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton at the 2006 DLC National Conversation
By Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton

Saving the American Dream
By Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Sen. Tom Carper, and Gov. Tom Vilsack

America in 2020
By Hillary Rodham Clinton

Clinton Unveils Legislation to Restore FEMA to Independent, Cabinet-Level Status

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And found this interesting:

About the Democratic Leadership Council

The Democratic Leadership Council is an idea center, catalyst, and national voice for a reform movement that is reshaping American politics by moving it beyond the old left-right debate.

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Seems they are really centralist who are generally railing against liberal Democrats. Interesting. Penn has a presentation on their too that seems to fit right into this.

Thanks for posting this!


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No progressive should support the DLC.

That is one reason I have wondered at the level of support that Hillary gets on here. Are these just folks who have always been DLC supporters and they just never spoke up on here before now?

I wonder sometimes if these are people that do not realize Hil is not just in agreement with the DLC--but has been an active member of their leadership.

I figured it was worth pointing out.


:shrug:


Laura

I guess since they knew how loathed the DLC was, they just kept quiet, but then they thought once their girl was being portrayed as the presumptive nominee before any contests, they all "came out." I really don't care about their complaints about DU. DU from its inception has been a place for progressives, and the DLC has always been AGAINST progressive ideals. If they don't like being in the minority here, they can find (or create) a more conservative Democratic site to hang out at.

you have 0 chance.

I was just reading the thread about the "Nuclear Option" being discussed in that camp as a way to assure a DLC nominee. Makes me sick to see it even being discussed.

This is rapidly becoming an attack on the Democratic Party by the DLC.



Laura

and Obama is as much of a centrist as Hillary is.

This is not a discussion about Gore or Bill, this is a discussion about Hillary Clinton being plastered all over the DLC website right now.


Regards.


Laura

being a founding member. If Gore was President during the '90's, then I doubt we would have ever heard of the DLC. I also think that Gore has buyers remorse with the DLC, but doesn't diassociate himself due to the political influence they wield. Gore is now a one issue man with a good cause. He's realized that he needs to convince everyone, not just progressives, that climate change is real. The left is convince, he's working on the center, and making head waves with the right.

this election. Who funds this group anyway? Is there any chance Hillary could pull out of the DNC and run as Independent with these people supporting her?

Because then the DLC would have a free shot.

after all, they want to concentrate the power into the wealthy donors
and in just certain states.

They have no interest in the 50 state strategy, in fact they appear to oppose it.

Its as if they are - gasp - trying to help the republicans keep the majority.

to win in the electoral college. The problem with the 17 state strategy is that it automatically forfeits red congressional seats in blue states. What the DLC refuses acknowledge is the fact that the neo-cons are more than willing to invest time, money and other valuable resources into capturing those seats that we abandon.

The DLC then blames the candidate that loss the seat other putting blame where it squarely belongs. The candidate who lost did not abandon the Democratic party, the Democratic party abandoned the candidate.

in other words, they truly don't believe Obama can win because
he isn't using dirty tricks.

These Clinton supporters believe that ONLY with dirty tricks can you win,
and its ok to be that way.

What they don't realize is that this is the same as electiong a republican,
except the candidate claims to be a dem.

A DINO.

any more than I'd vote for a Republican.

way worse

Not that I have taken much time to research Hair Club. Is Hil all over THAT website as a leader for them too?

:shrug:



Laura

And Obama is a neoliberal whose positions fit the DLC like a glove.

He just isn't an official "member."

The nomination of either is a party disaster.

In my opinion, of course.

Clark is supporting a rethug? :eyes:

would have sworn he was a Republican, until I found out he was a Democrat. I had one of those WTF moments. I knew right then that I would never be voting for someone from the DLC.

The Clintons are the dlc.

The netroots has been hoodwinked if they think Obama winning is a big victory in the netroots crusade against the DLC because the DLC didn't get this fairy tale memo about Obama hating and opposing the DLC and its policies!

There's also a difference between being a DLC member and DLC leadership. The fact that so many Clintonites no longer support the Clinton's says more about the Clintons then it does Obama. It also does nothing to change the fact that they are and have always been key leaders in the dlc and 'new dem' movements.

so it's no small wonder how enthralled the DLC is with him. Just look at the articles I linked to down-thread, which point this out.

His "Reaching out to Republicans" theme is right out of the mouths of DLC babes, yet all the faux hard-lefties on DU seem to be unaware of that, while all the hard lefties in the real world know that OBama and the DLC go hand in hand.

Obama has the best of both worlds. He's DLC without actually being a card-carrying member. It's the same with his no-votes, like when he forgot to show up for the Kyle-Lieberman bill. That way he can claim whichever side he wants in the General Election. If the prevailing mood is a warmongering one, he'll claim he would have considered voting for Kyle Lieberman, and vice versa if the mood is the opposite at the time. That's why he and McCain were the only two Senators who didn't vote in that crucial vote. If Obama was a true leftie he would've voted NO and stuck to his guns, but the DLC in him told him not to show up.

Prove it.

Have you not heard Harold Ford lately, whenever he's on Morning Joe? He's been consistently in Obama's corner from the start because Obama is the most appealing candidate to the DLC of all the 2008 Democratic candidates. Obama just isn't a card carrying member so he can have it both ways when it's convenient for him to do so.

Guess which "non-DLC" :spray: candidate has the most DLC support? Suckers...

As I'm sure you know it hasn't always been that way. Remember the Ford/DLC memo? Even DLC politicians don't want to go down with the Clinton ship.

I guess you don't known that one of Obama's main campaign themes of "Reaching out to Republicans" is straight out of the DLC playbook either. Sorry to bust your bubble but....


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

From a year ago:


http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/01/obama_wire_the.html



http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/

Barack Obama has DLC written all over him. He's just not a card carrying member, which once again proves he wants everything both ways. You obviously haven't been paying attention, and if the DLC is your main pet peeve, then Dennis Kucinich is the only 2008 candidate you should be talking about. Too bad he's not in it anymore.

problems that I have with him. I think the republicans have taken advantage of the democrats for far too long. I see no need for the democrats to volunteer to be used after they've become the majority. I don't think they should treat republicans the way republicans have treated democrats but I don't think they should be giving anything away either.

when it comes to running his campaign. Anyone who is hard left realizes this. I guess word hasn't gotten out yet to all the pseudo hard lefties on DU who make believe they're for Obama just so they can bash Hillary.

A moderate is rowing in the same basic direction as liberals and progressives.

A centrist is trying to row the boat in a different direction. They are happy to increase the power and influence of corporations, and to push for economically conservative "free market" policies that benefit business. They see liberals and progressives as "elitists" and they see their policies as "out of the mainstream."

Obama is a moderate. Sure he is open to compromise. But unlike the DLC, he is not trying get rid of those pesky progressives or repudiate the basic principles of liberalsm.

Clinton is a centrist. She will say anything to win, just like her husband. Because peopel are fed up, and times are hard, she'd pretend to be a progressive to pander to voters. But there is no ideological or philosophical there there. It's all about the empty gathering of power for its own sake.

Have you been listening to DLC Chair, Harold Ford, lately, who is clearly pulling for Obama? Why do you think the Chair of the DLC is pulling for Barack?

Maybe I missed something else he's said on otehr occasions.

Frankly, I wish Obama would get DLC supporters. The more the merrier. That fits in with Obama's basic message of bringing different people together.

It's the EXTENT of the DLC neolibneral domination with the Clintons that causes problems. The fact that over the years, the DLC and The Clintons have done everything they can either trivialize, marginalize and squash liberalism and progressive populism that is the issue.

I realize it's a complicated subject to discuss here.

But a basic difference is that Obama may share views and gain support the DLC to an extent. But he is also incorporating that into an effort to rebuild a larger coalition that also welcomes progressives and liberals, rather than marginalizing us as an embarassment or as naive dopes.

Where a lot of people are wrong is where they assume that if someone supports Hillary it means they support the most conservative aspects of the DLC, too, which just isn't true in many cases. For example, the parts I like about Hillary have nothing to do with the parts that I don't like about the DLC.

I just think that Obama supporters who bash Hillary for being in the DLC should think twice before they do because of the irony of it. I'm not talking about you but the other ones who run around bashing her for being DLC without realizing how appealing Obama is to the DLC, too.

There is lots of gray area for sure. Candidates aside, I'm sure there is more that we agree on than disagree on.

k/r :kick: