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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:59 PM
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Poll question: Do you support a gas tax holiday?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 01:02 PM by last1standing
Do you support Hillary Clinton's proposal for removing the gas tax for three months? If so please explain how you believe it will help the average consumer.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:01 PM
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1. No fucking way. It will help no one but the oil companies,
and it will screw our already fragile infrastructure, which is already being well screwn by this ridiculous tax rebate assholery nonsense going on now.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:01 PM
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2. Would I be voting for or against McCains proposal or Clintons
your poll does not make clear how it would be paid for.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:02 PM
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4. I've edited to clarify that it would be Hillary's proposal.
n/t
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:03 PM
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5. It is the same since you won't ever get a wind fall profits tax passed.
It won't be paid for


Hillary knows it.. why don't you?
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:25 PM
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16. Doesn't make any difference.
Hillary's plan for a windfall profit tax would never make it out of congress, and even if it did Bush would "VETO" it! I will not happen this summer no matter what Hillary says!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:38 PM
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25. Clinton's claim about paying for it may be misleading
As I http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5810742">pointed out in another thread, Clinton had already proposed a windfall profits tax and the closing of loopholes for oil and gas companies, and proposed using that money for the development of alternative fuels. So if she takes the money she was planning to use to invest in alternative fuels to pay for a gas tax holiday, it might delay implementation of her long-term plan to invest in alternative fuel development.

A case could be made for delaying the long-term plan in order to provide short-term relief, but she has not had to make that case yet because nobody has called her on it, except someone on Hardball the other night, who pointed out that voters probably would not notice.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:01 PM
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3. 1 vote for it so far.. Hillary.... is that you?
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:41 PM
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27. LoL...n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:05 PM
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6. I'm looking forward to spending ten times as much as I save
for front end and suspension repairs from all the potholes that don't get fixed because the gas tax isn't paid.

Ya get the guvmint ya pay for folks.

We have rural counties here in CA turning paved roads back to gravel because they can no longer afford to maintain them.

Here! In the greatest country on earth! In the 21st century!

We are regressing.
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:07 PM
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7. Other
Can I vote three times that I support it and then once that I think it's political pandering?
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:09 PM
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9. Absolutely! So long as you end up voting against making it permanent.
Because you listened to studies that proved it didn't help.

I find it strange that when Obama proves that he has learned from his years of experience some people will still shoot him down because of it. I'd have to call that pathetic.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:08 PM
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8. Pure pandering.
It will encourage more consumption, which will drive prices up. Then, when the tax is reinstated, the price will be higher than ever. In the meantime most people will save about $25 for the whole summer. Since Hillary's proposed windfall profits tax on the oil companies will have exactly zero chance of passing, the net loss in tax revenues will only make it even more difficult to maintain and repair our already shitty highways and bridges. As one who lives only a few miles from where a major freeway bridge collapsed, I think is is a really, really terrible idea. I'll be happy to pay my $25 for the summer to keep that from happening again.

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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:11 PM
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10. Four votes supporting it but no explanations. Can anyone explain their support?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 01:12 PM by last1standing
Edited to make it "four" supporting.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:14 PM
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11. I support rebuilding our infrastructure. I drive, and am willing to pay for better roads.
Ask the folks in Minnesota where that bridge collapsed if it's worth saving a couple bucks and not repair our infrastructure.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:16 PM
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12. Good point. I'm going to assume that if the pro-holiday forces can't explain their support....
They're either hyper-partisan or just short sighted and greedy.

It could be both, I suppose. :shrug:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:31 PM
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22. Funny how they are never here for actual discourse,
but otherwise around just to bicker, meander, and bleat like goats.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:48 PM
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31. Yep. And still not a single supporter has been able to explain why.
It's honestly disgusting that these people would support something they can't even explain in order to win votes.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:21 PM
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13. Still not one gas tax holiday supporter able to explain how it would help.
Do these people really only care about getting their candidate into office?

Are there people here willing to hurt our economy even further for partisan advantage?
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:23 PM
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14. Gas tax holiday is stupid and meaningless to my pocket
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:24 PM
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15. Holiday? Woo hoo! Sounds like fun!
I don't mind getting ripped off, as long as it's called a "holiday"!

Seriously though, this "gas tax holiday" might just be the most ridiculous pander ever.
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:26 PM
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17. I voted "no." But I'm an elitist, so I guess my vote doesn't count in HillaryWorld...
:hi:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:27 PM
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18. No, thank you. I'll take bridge maintenance if it's all the same to you. nt
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:27 PM
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19. 6 pro "holiday" votes and still not one supporter willing to state why.
How can anyone support it without being able to state how it helps?

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:30 PM
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20. It's a dumb idea. If there is an economic burden to be alleviated, there are better ways,
that don't involve increasing demand for oil.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:31 PM
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21. I believe it will help truckers in the short term...
but in the short term may not help most commuters, and in the long term won't help anybody.

But, at least over the summer months, in theory, prices at the stores would not go up to compensate for trucking costs. (though rail is still cheaper.)

Just my observations, but I am no expert.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:37 PM
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24. From the perspective of Economics the price would go up due to increased demand.
Also, as the tax is paid at the refinery there would be no impetus for the oil companies to pass that savings along to the consumer. If past experience is any indication they would just make up excuses such as rising demand, increased cost of production, etc...

Truckers would be very unlikely to see much savings even in the short term because of this.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:32 PM
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23. It's from the P.T. Barnum school of triangulation and practical politics.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:40 PM
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26. Our roads are bad enough, thank you very much. Remember when $2 gas was the bogeyman for the GOP?
Edited on Sun May-04-08 01:40 PM by MissMarple
We couldn't tax gas any more for infrastructure maintenance and development because the country would grind to a halt. Oh, and development always pays for itself. And the suckers actually swallowed that hook, line and sinker.

:nuke:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:43 PM
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28. No. But, I wouldn't be against somehow lifting that tax for truckers
cab drivers, etc. Folks that earn a living via driving like that.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:47 PM
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30. That could be done through tax credits.
In fact, I have to think that it already is since I get mileage on my 1040A, I would have to assume they do as well. It would probably be best to increase that amount to offset increases in cost for all business purposes.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:46 PM
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29. I do not support it.
I don't believe for one minute that Big Oil will not
make up the difference
by increasing gas prices,
again and again.

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:48 PM
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32. Ha ha!
92% of replies would rather be policy right and electability wrong. God, I love this place! :grouphug:
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:54 PM
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33. Now it's 7 supporters who don't understand enough to explain why they support it.
And not one who can.

How can anyone respect that?
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:00 PM
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34. There are now 9 DUers who support this "holday" but can't explain why.
n/t
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:23 PM
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35. I suspect that everyone who voted "yes" is only doing so because Hillary agrees with it,...
...not because there's any particular merit to the proposal, and they'd vote "no" if she disagreed.

It's not good policy, and it may not even be good politics. What it is, is grasping at straws.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:37 PM
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37. It's up to 11 now and still no takers.
Pure hyper-partisanship at work there. These people are willing to sell their country down the drain just to win. Disgusting.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:28 PM
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36. After all the potholes,and deferred maintenance on roads...
..are we INSANE! The oil companies set the price and make record profits. It takes a lot of faith to think removing taxes would lower the price in a significant way. Sorry, we need more than a three month pander patch.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:31 PM
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38. WOW! Not one person can justify Hillary's gas tax "holiday".
But it doesn't stop them from supporting it. How sad.
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