[HILLARY SUPPORTERS] - CONVINCE ME that Obama is deceiving us (EVIDENCE REQUIRED)

It still baffles me that despite the numerous gaffes on the part of Hillary and her hubby during the campaign, contradictions, weak campaign management and tactics, poor judgment, and questionable past actions that someone could still trust and vote for Hillary, almost as confusing as why americans would re-elect Bush -- I'm sure it's partly due to the media and this sense that citizens prostrate before them seemingly thinking and behaving like their marionettes.

My question today is for those of you who are Hillary supporters. Can you please point me to "trusted websites" that conclusively prove Obama to be a "con-man", "elitist", "racist", "deceiver", and all the other unfavorable views you have of him. I tried googling but havent found a single source that proves that he is a man that WILL NOT make a change in the U.S. for the better. Where are you getting your information? Please share. I dont have to remind you that Hillary on the other hand has numerous evidence (and growing) to support that she would make a very flawed Commander In Chief. But thats not important. I want to hear about Obama.

Again I'm looking for evidence that conclusively proves he is a con-man and such. Please dont bother with links to sites that intentionally scrape "snippets" of statements and use it out of context (eg. anything on Fox News). I've been watching and reading about Obama for quite some time so maybe I've missed that one program or something which could have changed my whole view. When a guy denounces a war despite popular opinion, gets caught up in a race-related issue and challenges it by speaking honestly elevating the conversation beyond the current situation to speak of race-relations in america when he could have easily given the classic politician denouncing speech, and openly challenges the gas tax gimmick because it isnt a real solution, this all says to me this is a man who actually wants something MORE for the U.S. instead of more of the usual, which i'm sorry to say is quite apparent with Hillary's campaign.

Please prove me wrong. I would like all direct evidence which you are relying upon that has pushed you away from Obama to support Hillary. Please convert me. I will not criticize any post but i may challenge you to clarify statements as I'm guessing most evidence will be subjective open to misinterpretation. If you are just racist and your only reason is to prevent a person of color from making it into the Oval Office, just say it. At least that would be an honest response.

emphasizing certain points. Why don't you answer the op instead of being contentious?

quite frankly, the peter barack obama supporters are making me think of a bumper sticker more and more--the one that reads, "lord, protect me from your followers"

Edit: Capitalizing moron for emphasize.

...Hillary supporters can't bring any credible evidence to support the slanderous claims she and her campaign have made about Obama.

:rofl:

No really :WTF:

Obama said in a speech at Selma that 'he was coming home to Selma', that is a lie at the worst or misleading pandering at the best because he never lived in Selma nor has he lived the life those civil rights heros lived in their struggles. In the same speech he said the civil rights march in Selma were the catalyst for his conception...blatant lie.

I am not going to do research for someone who really doesn't want the answers that I can provide.

A mind is like a parachute, it won't work if it won't open. :hi:

Selma has been discussed several hundred times already. If you haven’t seen the stupidity of your post by now, then I won't be able to change your mind.

Your parachute is certainly stuck.

...you know better than that, don't you? Nobody with two brain cells to rub together believes that he was saying he lived in Selma or was born there. You actually get it that he was speaking about his sense, as a black man, of a connection to the historic civil rights movement.

Offering this example as the evidence that the OP requested doesn't harm Obama, at all, but it makes you look pretty desperate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDZ-lZd3tPk

People sometimes speak in metaphors. Like, for example, I'd feel like I was going "home" to Liverpool - simply because I loved the Beatles THAT MUCH. (Yes, I'm SHOUTING!) And I've never been there, no family came from there, but it would still feel like "home" to me in that regard.

NGU.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

I don't think Obama is deceiving us. If he is the nominee I will vote for him.

own links. Real boring telling you folks the same stuff only to you all shit on it.

NGU.

Obama is deceiving me about anything. I, personally, think he is a great candidate just not the best candidate. I'm entitled to think Senator Clinton is better prepared, smarter, her understanding of government and foreign affairs is more impressive, has a longer history of working for issues that are important to me all without denigrating Senator Obama. I am voting for Hillary in my May 20th primary but if Obama gets the nomination, I'm on board. Maybe not as enthusiastically as I would for Hillary but on board.

Wow, complete and utter silence from Camp Clinton.

Which was all the time.

Aw hell, PLEASE can we just stop fighting???

One way or another, I think we should start on a new exercise: Start trying to line up the reasons why you can and will support the other candidate if he/she winds up carrying the ball for us in November. Call it prophylactic packing. I'm going to a sunny climate, but I'm bringing my raingear and an umbrella anyway - hell you shoulda seen me packing for a Cub Scout overnight! I'm an Obama supporter, but I have my Hillary list already developed because there are indeed a number of reasons why I could, and will, support her wholeheartedly if she becomes the nominee. In fact, I more or less started from that point, anyway.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5797873
and then stop shrieking and swooning.

All the way back to the original, lengthy screed. But guess what, all those blue font "SOURCE" inclusions that look like links are in actuality only the word "SOURCE" in blue font. There are no sources linked for this article.

So why is that, do you suppose?

Seemed to me that are fairly well known and generally agreed upon issues. But I could be wrong so get in touch with the op.

colored blue so they looked like they actually went somewhere.

Seems to me one of the first things I learned here was to say "Link?" to any unsourced font of knowledge.

Really, doesn't that make you stop and wonder about the truth of "The Truth About Obama"?

is fairly widely known. But as I said - check with the OP

:shrug:

support and vote for the Dem nominee... Obama is a politician, every thing he says and does is being scripted as other politicians do... I place as much faith in this politician as I do in others, and that is not saying much....

I dont know. Who cares?

not being a supporter of HRC. I don't support Obama, either, and don't want to see either of them get the nomination.

Do you still care that I don't support Obama?

I'll state that Kucinich is much closer to my own positions, and I wish Obama were more like him in his policies.

However, Kucinich is not a factor, and even Edwards is out of it.

Therefore (assuming one doesn't toss away a vote on Nader) why would you not choose among what's left, rather than the really awful alternative of McCain?

That leaves me, barring a brokered convention and a more acceptable candidate, a write-in or a 3rd party vote.

I won't not vote. I won't vote for the republican.

I won't vote for HRC, for obvious reasons.

I won't vote for Obama either, and those reasons SHOULD be obvious to any progressive. Most don't seem to be able to see past HRC and McCain to how truly unacceptable too many of Obama's ideas and policies are.

I'm a teacher. I will NEVER cast a vote for anyone who supports right-wing republican notions like merit pay and further privatization of public education. I take that one personally, and I'll answer it personally, by withholding my vote.

I'm a peaceful citizen. I will not vote for someone who wants to continue the bogus war on terror. Obama's position on war itself is appalling. He's "against Iraq," until it's time to fund it, then he's for it. He's "not against all wars, but against dumb wars," and Iraq is a "dumb war," until it's time to fund it, then it's apparently not so dumb. He's for the bogus "war on terror," which is about as dumb a war as war gets.

Come on. He likes Reagan, admires the way he "changed the trajectory" and "put us on a different path" away from "the excesses of the 60s and 70s." I PREFER THE PATH WE WERE ON IN THE 60S AND 70S. I lived through the Reagan years, and don't remember them with anything at all positive.

He allows homophobes to campaign for him.

It would be hard to find another Democrat any MORE centrist/corporatist/"3rd way"/"new" dem/neoliberal than Obama. He and HRC are quite a pair; both really awful choices for Democrats to field.

"Hope" and "Change," for me, means hoping to move the party, and the nation, back to the left. It doesn't mean sanctioning staying on the right, or moving further, under Democrats. I have no hope for positive change with Obama.

what he's getting into, and that he's all talk. i think he will try to do what he says he wants to do, (hope/change/blueprint) but i don't care for the hope/change thing, don't need it, and i think his administration will not be as swift as hers, and i don't trust him to cover as much as she would, when i hear what he has to say, to me it sounds as if his grasp on the issues are severely weak.

and yes, i took a number of poli-sci classes in college, including The Presidency. it's just my opinion that he does not know what is up. i have seen him in dozens of debates stammer his way through. it concerns me. and i see his supporters think he does great in debates. it's just how i and many others see it. I don't think "change washington" is where it's it. jmo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4863UpZYwwc

Since that speech, and his election to the US Senate, Obama has supported EVERY war funding bill.