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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:26 PM
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Anybody notice Hillary's use of the word "automatic delgates" instead of Superdelegats.
She is unbelievable and continues to create new verbiage along with new goalposts every couple of days. Many on this board have asked the question why is she allowed to do this? The MSM is complicit in this strategy of moving the goalposts. No more proof is needed to show how the powers that be are trying to bury Obama. Whatever he represents scares the bejeezes out them. Not one insider wants Washington to change. They like the way it works with the underground payola and favor currying.

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't mentality. Fear and fear alone is what is crippling our country. Afraid of the brown boogey men in the Middle East, afraid of alternative fuel sources that may change the wealth hierarchy as we know it today.

The sheep are refusing to be herded and the chorus of baas's is turning to the roar of lions hungry to be fed with real democracy and a Real Democat. For the people, funded by the people.

GOBAMA!!!
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:27 PM
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1. Makes the SDs sound like they are robots. n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:30 PM
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3. Wir sind die Roboter
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:40 PM
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8. no - it just points out that their vote is not "super" - its the same as all the other delegates
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:19 AM
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14. Then why have a new term? There is a reason for it. What do you think it is? n/t
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Avalon6 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:27 PM
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2. I cringe every time I hear that
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:31 PM
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4. Her peeps started doing that at least two months ago (n/t)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:33 PM
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5. Right and convinced some of the press to mimic it at first
Though I don't think it actually took. Sheer manipulation.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:31 PM
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12. And the DNC's peeps, including Howard Dean,
used it back in 2006, and put it in the obviously biased

DELEGATE
SELECTION RULES
FOR THE 2008
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION
Issued by the Democratic Party of the United States
Governor Howard Dean, Chairman
As adopted by the Democratic National Committee, August 19, 2006.

But then, what do I know? I just used Google.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:37 PM
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6. I'm baffled by it, to me Automatic,sounds worse than superdelegates.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 02:37 PM by 4themind
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:37 PM
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7. K&R
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:48 PM
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9. Does she havemalice aforehought Luntz working for her too
after all, he comes up with all those good GOP terms like "death tax"
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:35 PM
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10. I like the term better than Superdelegates.
Or use the actual term...Unpledged Delegates.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:29 PM
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11. Not this again. Let's keep it simple and snarky.
Ok, the Dem Party election rules use a few terms. Doubt me? Check them out at http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/de68e7b6dfa0743217_hwm6bhyc4.pdf .

The long-winded term is "unpledged party leader and elected official delegates". It's not exact, because there's a subcategory of them, "unpledged add-on delegates". Perhaps you prefer those two terms?

The first is also found as "party leader and elected official delegates" sans the word "unpledged". In any event, these terms are on page 14-15 of the PDF (pgs. 10-11 of the printed document).

I prefer "unpledged delegates", but I'm in a minority and am not fully consistent. The alternative, using the official terms, makes conversation sound like this:
"For HRC to win, she needs not only keep the unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates in her camp, but get the lion's share of the remaining unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates. Meanwhile, Obama's share of the unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates has been increasing, with one or two unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates going into his camp per day. He's proudly announcing the new unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates that support him, while HRC, aware that reporting on the small number of new unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates in her camp, seldom publicize new unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates supporting her. Meanwhile, most unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates seem to be waiting, with many unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates apparently unsure what to do. Should the unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates override the will of the voters, as reflected in pledged delegates, the unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates will call the wrath of whatever community is overriden down upon their heads. Some question whether we should continue having unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates, but rewarding the unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates for their service seems a small price to pay." Now, if you're being paid by the word, "unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates" is great.

At the bottom of PDF page 15 (print page 11) of the official rules, however, we have the Offensive Clintonite Term from Hell that Only Idiots and Hillbots Could Ever Use: "automatic delegates". This is a short-hand term to refer back to the "unpledged party leader and elected official delegates", as well as the "unpledged add-on delegates". Note that the Offensive Clintonite Term from Hell that Only Idiots and Hillbots Could Ever Use is, well, in the official document. It's clearly a secondary term, to avoid having to say, "unpledged party leader, elected official, and unpledged add-on delegates." In short, it fulfills the same role that "super delegate" does.

The Blessed and Sanctified Term to Be Used by the Faithful and Pious Democrats, "super delegate", is not found in the document. It is a creation of the dread MSM. So the Faithful and Pious Democrats, it seems, are hoodwinked.

In short, neither term has any political baggage with it. Stop trying to read partisanship into shorthand terms when none is intended, and an honest attempt will just reveal ignorance.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:36 PM
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13. Not falling for your Screwed Up mind control, hilary..
Edited on Sun May-04-08 09:39 PM by zidzi
good luck with pulling that shit on potential voters. Americans are smarter than you and that finger wagger.

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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:24 AM
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15. Team DLC has been using that term for a couple months now
It's more Orwellian spin. They're implying that the delegates will "automatically" support Hillary, while the reality is that they're bailing fast. A lot of these supers have their own elections to worry about (as either candidates or state party officials), and they would rather not have this hanging over their heads this summer while they prepare their own campaigns.
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