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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:38 PM
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Would Clinton 'go nuclear'?
This would not only be a mess, but it could lead to the splintering of the Democratic Party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/04/clinton-camp-considering_n_100051.html

Hillary Clinton's campaign has a secret weapon to build its delegate count, but her top strategists say privately that any attempt to deploy it would require a sharp (and by no means inevitable) shift in the political climate within Democratic circles by the end of this month.

With at least 50 percent of the Democratic Party's 30-member Rules and Bylaws Committee committed to Clinton, her backers could -- when the committee meets at the end of this month -- try to ram through a decision to seat the disputed 210-member Florida and 156-member Michigan delegations. Such a decision would give Clinton an estimated 55 or more delegates than Obama, according to Clinton campaign operatives. The Obama campaign has declined to give an estimate.

Using the Rules and Bylaws Committee to force the seating of two pro-Hillary delegations would provoke a massive outcry from Obama forces. Such a strategy would, additionally, face at least two other major hurdles, and could only be attempted, according to sources in the Clinton camp, under specific circumstances:

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Palatino Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:40 PM
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1. Superdelegates only favor Clinton by a short margin
Which won't be enough to delete Obama's lead.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:46 PM
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6. I hope so
We REALLY need to get united. I make no secret of my support for Obama. But of the situations were reversed, I'd be sending him e-mail every day asking him to concede to Hillary.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:41 PM
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2. she would go actual nuclear if she thought it would help.

innocents be damned.
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:42 PM
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3. don't do it
that's a scorched-earth tactic that's bound to backfire.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:43 PM
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5. why would you pick such an odd name?
just curious.
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:49 PM
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7. me?
the symmetry and the fact that Karl Rove controls BOTH parties, and his name sounds fake to me anyways.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:42 PM
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4. Well she'd obliterate Iran, so why not the Dem party?
:shrug:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:38 PM
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8. if you repeat the same lie often enough you will believe what you say is true nt
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:14 PM
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9. Who says she has "at least 50 percent" of the committee?
I've read that the committee includes reps from both candidates, though I am not sure in what proportions, that there are about 150 total members, but that Dean gets to appoint 30 of them. So if Dean can appoint 30 members of the Committee, how does Hillary have a working majority?

Got anything to back up those numbers?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:17 PM
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10. She may be able to push it in the Rules and Bylaws Committee
The Rules and Bylaws Committee stripped Florida and Michigan of their delegates, and they can unstrip them.

Hillary has 13 of 30 members of that committee in her back pocket already:

Here's the list:

Co-Chairs (both undeclared):

Alexis Herman Washington D.C. *1
James Roosevelt Jr. Massachusetts


Declared for Obama:

Allan Katz Florida *2
Thomas Hynes Illinois
Sarah Swisher Iowa
Janice Griffin Maryland
Martha Fuller Clark New Hampshire
Everett Ward North Carolina
Carol Khare Fowler South Carolina
Sharon Stroschein South Dakota


Declared for Clinton:

Alice Huffman California
Garry Shay California
Mona Pasquil California
Michael Steed Maryland
Elaine Kamarck Massachusetts
Donald Fowler South Carolina
Jaime Gonzalez Jr. Texas *3
Mame Reiley Virginia
Elizabeth Smith Washington D.C
Ben Johnson Washington D.C.
Eric Kleinfeld Washington D.C.
Harold Ickes Jr. Washington D.C.
Hartina Flournoy Washington D.C.


Undeclared:

Mark Brewer Michigan *4
Yvonne Gates Nevada
Ralph Dawson New York *5
Jerome Wiley Segovia Virginia
David McDonald Washington
Donna Brazille Washington D.C
Alice Germond West Virginia


Footnotes:

*1 Alexis Herman served as the first African American Secretary of Labor under Bill Clinton
*2 Allan Katz, though an Obama endorser, is from Florida and therefore may be inclined to seat Florida's delegation.
*3 Jaime Gonzalez Jr. was undeclared until just a few days ago. This could be indicative of how the Rules and Bylaws Committee will rule on the matter come May 31.
*4 Mark Brewer, though undeclared, is from Michigan and therefore may be inclined to seat Michigan's delegation.
*5 Ralph Dawson is the only undeclared New York Super Delegate. All other New York Super Delegates have endorsed Senator Clinton. Ralph Dawson is the member of the Rules and Bylaws Committee who initally introduced the ruling that stripped Florida and Michigan of their delegates.

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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:19 PM
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11. I suspect so.
But it's just conjecture. Surely, it would lead to electoral disaster, and the end of the party, at least for me.
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sepdxdem Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:23 PM
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12. She already has IMO
When a democratic candidate sends out fliers accusing their primary opponent of being "anti-gun" that is the "nuclear option".
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:25 PM
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13. It's Nukular
according to Junior.
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