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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:39 AM
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Wonder what DLC's Al From thinks of his candidate Hillary's "People vs the Powerful" gas tax pander?
Both Al From and Mark Penn felt Al Gore's populist appeal "never stood a chance." (As you may recall, Hillary Clinton very recently served as chair of the DLC's "American Dream Initiative.")

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=893&kaid=86&subid=85

This divide is what animates the current debate over whether Al Gore's "people versus the powerful" approach was ever powerful enough. Old Democrats, such as Gore pollster Stan Greenberg, argue that had Gore adhered to it more closely, and not had to contend with the fatigue of Clinton scandal, his positioning would have worked. To New Democrats, such as Al From and Mark Penn (also a Gore pollster), this populist appeal never stood a chance, as it was fundamentally out-of-step with the times...

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2147953/Party-hardy-most-Americans-agree.html

Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod was just now on MSNBC and called Hillary's gas tax holiday "bait and switch" and a "shell game" that was peddled last week by her surrogate Steven Elmendorf, registered lobbyist for Shell Oil! Axelrod is right!

Robert Reich is up now on MSNBC. Reich wrote this about Hillary's gas tax holiday. on his blog yesterday... He's callng the gas tax holiday a "gimmick,"

Sunday, May 04, 2008
Hillary Clinton Doesn't Listen to Economists

When asked this morning by ABC News' George Stephanopoulos if she could name a single economist who backs her call for a gas tax holiday this summer, HRC said "I'm not going to put my lot in with economists.”

I know several of the economists who have been advising Senator Clinton, so I phoned them right after I heard this. I reached two of them. One hadn’t heard her remark and said he couldn’t believe she’d say it. The other had heard it and shrugged it off as “politics as usual.”

That’s the problem: Politics as usual.

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-clinton-doesnt-listen-to.html
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:43 AM
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1. What would a union buster like Penn know about democrats?
This gas tax holiday is one of the stupidest ideas yet!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:15 AM
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3. Stupid idea and it's not going to happen with George W. Bush, as president! Hillary's proposing
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:22 AM by flpoljunkie
something she knows is going nowhere-the definition of political pandering.

Hillary's on MSNBC saying she's going to 'git"rid of all the benefits that go to the wealthy." Pat Buchanan just said "If she comes out for the border fence, "It's all over!" Then he laughed! He knows what she's up to.

"How do you think Hillary Clinton delivered Pat Buchanan's speech?"--Joe Scarborough's question to Mike Barnacle. Barnacle thinks she has come a much, much better candidate. What she's done is transform herself into a populist--a hoot, coming from the DLC's "candidate."

Now the Washington Post establishment toadie, black, no less--is on saying Barack Obama seems "tired." Did he or they see the weekend Jefferson-Jackson dinners this weekend? Hillary is the one who looked exhausted. These pundits are doing their damndest to pump up Hillary Clinton! It is so obviously transparent!
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:45 AM
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2. "I'm not going to put my lot in with economists." We would all think it was Bush
if it wasn't the next largest anti-intellectual in current politics - Clinton.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:24 AM
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7. Indeed! However, Bush would sign a gas tax holiday over his dead body! Ain't gonna happen!
We will continue to be taken to the cleaners by Exxon-Mobil as long as Bush/Cheney are in the White House. They will wring every damn dime of profit out of us, and Bush will eagerly allow it to continue.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:20 AM
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4. drive a few miles an hour slower
and maintain your car/truck and you`ll save more money than the tax stupidity. if the motoring public could get 2-5 more gallons per mile that would "save" millions of gallons of fuel and would be more of a monetary return over the long run....

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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:24 AM
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5. but that cuts into big oils profits
lord know we wouldn't want that to happen.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:26 AM
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6. Not gonna happen! What we need is increased CAFE standards, cars that get better mileage.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:26 AM
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8. He'd agree. The DLC are champions of "Say Anything" politics of the moment
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:50 AM
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9. Perhaps you are right. The born-again populist Hillary Clinton, the "anything to win" candidate!
Listening to this born-again populist, you could hear echoes of the favorite applause lines from two decades of consultant-driven Democratic politics as she said, "I think you have to decide for this election on Tuesday who's on your side and who you can count on to stand up for you and to work for you and to fight for you."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/05/05/indiana/
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