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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:24 AM
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Hillary Clinton: "No regret on Iraq vote" (and so happy!!!)
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:30 AM by meow mix
:puke: :puke:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

On a different topic, Clinton once again eschewed any interest in the vice presidential slot on the Democratic ticket this year, saying she would turn down Sen. John Kerry, the presumed nominee, if he asked her to be his running mate.

"I'm so happy being senator from New York right now. I love my life. I love my job. I want to see it through," Clinton said. "The people of New York took a chance on me, and I'm well aware of that.

"I said I wouldn't run, and I really mean it. I'm not going to run


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/


meanwhile..

Burned Iraqi Children Turned Away By US Army Doctors

BALAD, Iraq - On a scorching afternoon, while on duty at an Army airfield, Sgt. David J. Borell was approached by an Iraqi who pleaded for help for his three children, burned when they set fire to a bag containing explosive powder left over from war in Iraq.

Borell immediately called for assistance. But the two Army doctors who arrived about an hour later refused to help the children because their injuries were not life-threatening and had not been inflicted by U.S. troops.






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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:27 AM
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1. well - I don't get not feeling sorry for it in retrospect
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:28 AM by DrDan
I can fully understand the concern that the POTUS would like. And I can understand her explaining her vote in that context. But seems to me that I would feel sorry for the vote - even though it made sense at the time based on the lies junior was telling.

on edit - and that seems to be JE's position.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:37 AM
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5. The OP's quote
is from 2004.

Hillary has said many times since then that she regrets that vote --and even in one of the debates with Obama described it as her biggest regret.

Obama's biggest regret was interestingly enough --going against his understanding of the Constitution and siding with the GOP on the Schiavo matter.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:39 AM
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7. if your still unregretful, your a psychopath. plain and simple
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:39 AM by meow mix
she belongs with her w-04 sticker people
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:41 AM
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8. clearly you can't read.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:56 AM
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51. hey can you spare some of that unity, hope, and change? You have it coming
out your ass and I would like a little.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:44 AM
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11. Regrets the vote? but is she against unitary executive rule?
I do not see any regrets over-ruling the War Powers Act


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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:46 AM
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15. She has also said
she will return the use of "signing-statements" back to their original purpose.

I see no evidence that she supports Bush's concept of :Unitary Executive".
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:59 AM
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22. OK, but I will be very surprised if there is any attempt to give the power
gained by the executive branch back.

Of course a lot of that blame lies on the shoulders of Congress. It is most likely we will have a 2/3 majority in Congress, we will know very soon the reality of my question, and it won't just apply to Clinton, it will apply to any of the candidates, win or lose, because they will either be part of Congress or the President

After watching the Democrats the past 8 years, it is going to be interesting


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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:09 AM
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26. this was sold to junior by cheney - he is the big supporter of this
and in all fairness was even when WJC was pres.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:32 AM
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39. I know, and WJC was also for the line/item veto. Everythng points to more power
to the executive branch, and less oversight by Congress

Do you really believe that it will be rolled back with a new administration and Congress?

I detest Nader with a passion regarding the 2000 election, but when the Democrats take control of Congress, and they will, this will tell me just how much difference there is between the Democrats and the republicans

If they reverse the executive power grab made by the bush administration, then there is still a chance for the Republic

Otherwise...
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:37 AM
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48. I agree - we expected big changes when the Dems took over the
houses of congress. That sure did not happen.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:07 AM
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24. you are right - my mistake - read too quickly
too much to read this morning
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Hola Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:22 AM
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33. Facts
Wrong - Obamas regret was that he didn't do more to fight the GOP over Schavio. Something that 98% of the other dem senators should share. Obama, like most dems, was oppossed to interference in the Schavio affair.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:36 AM
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44. welcome my cousin!
ty for commenting =)
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:37 AM
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46. Oh
So he just was "present" on that one as well?

Despite that he knew it was a Constitutional issue?

Thanks for clearing that up --he sure is a man of intregity.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:54 AM
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50. Hello.
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:29 AM
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2. That's why I have no regrets about never again supporting Clinton. (NT)
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:33 AM
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3. She is a LIAR. A fucking LIAR.
:puke:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:41 AM
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9. She believes in unitary executive rule. There should be no doubt that
she will want the same powers that george bush has

In other words, screw Congressional oversight


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:44 AM
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10. cnn story: Wednesday, April 21, 2004

Inside Politics
Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote
'How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath?'

Wednesday, April 21, 2004 Posted: 10:10 AM EDT (1410 GMT)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:46 AM
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14. duh, thats obvious from where shes says shes NOT going to run for pres
people can read ya know
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:48 AM
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18. and she finished her term on the Senate
Obama declared he would not run in 2008, and vowed to finish his term.

At least Hillary knows how to keep a promise.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:33 AM
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4. Didn't she say this
the same year Obama said his position on Iraq was the same as Bush's?


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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:38 AM
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6. Which is also another way of her saying that she believe in unitary executve power
I will not use any expletives, but she has made more than clear where she stands

Not only with the IWR, but the Kyle/Lieberman ammendment, the use of cluster bombs in civillian areas, and the "obilteration" of Iran with "nukes" if Iran attacks Israel

There are hundreds of thousands of people dead because of that IWR vote. The IWR over-rode the War Powers Act, which required Congressional oversight if the executive branch engaged in undeclared wars.

In simple terms it comes down to this:

If you believe that there should be unitary executive privledge, then vote for clinton

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:02 AM
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23. Link to where she said that?? You LIE and you know it.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:45 AM
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12. n/t
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:45 AM by invictus
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:45 AM
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13. ***update yourself. She said in the debate she regretted the vote--your post is 3 years OLD.




Wednesday, April 21, 2004 Posted: 10:10 AM EDT (1410 GMT)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:47 AM
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17. now that shes running for democratic nomination...
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:52 AM by meow mix
how lame is that? shes a liar
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:13 AM
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31. Now that obama is running he has changed his mind--he now oppoes gas tax
relief when he did not as an IL. Senator.


How lame is that. He is LIAR.


......


now that shes running for democratic nomination...
Posted by meow mix


how lame is that? shes a liar


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:29 AM
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38. Nobody died from a gas tax.
Besides, Obama said this weekend that's the very reason he opposes the gas tax pander this time around - because he learned from his mistake in IL.

I'd like to have a President who learns from his/her mistakes for once.

NGU.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:33 AM
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40. Using deaths to make political smear points is a low tactic by many Obama fans-just like BusH does!!
Edited on Mon May-05-08 09:34 AM by rodeodance
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:58 AM
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52. Yes, let's just ignore the dead. It's more convenient for the Washington insiders that way.
:eyes:

NGU.


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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #40
56. Since when should we NOT discuss the deaths in Iraq?
You used to come up with some cogent arguments but what you just wrote is really specious and depressing. Are you alright?

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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #31
43. he explained that on
MTP. he admitted voting for a gas tax vacation was a mistake in Illinois, the price of gas went up to negate any savings. said he learned from that mistake. wow, a politician that admits a mistake and would prefer not to repeat it....
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:25 AM
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36. So it took her MORE THAN THREE YEARS to "regret" co-signing...
...Bush/Cheney**'s Blank Check for Invasion? What's the rush? It's not like anyone was in danger or anything.

:eyes:

NGU.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:46 AM
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16. **FLAME-BAIT** OP IS USING DEAD IRAQI TO SCORE POLITICAL POINTS*****
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:53 AM
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20. **YOU ARE ILL.**
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:09 AM
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27. Unlike, say, your candidate who uses live Iranians? (NT)
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:50 AM
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19. Stupid, pandering, cowardly scum.
H. Clinton represents everything that is wrong with this country.

Cowards like her let the profiteers take control of our entire government.

We are FUCKED because of gutless shitheels like Hillary.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:58 AM
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21. And that Stupid, pandering, cowardly scum Obama votes to keep funding it. Wright?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:08 AM
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25. thats a republican meme, defunding is killing the troops ourself and not an option.
why dont you wake up and join reality, hill supporter*
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:11 AM
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29. you know it is the REPUGS and obama who fund the war--using the excuse that soldiers
will not have equipment.


fact is i pointed that out to you a while ago. but you really have not learned anything. you continue to look foolish.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:33 AM
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57. LOL.. Obama and the Republicans are funding the war..
Talk about looking foolish.. It is a nice try though, if you work a little harder you can blame the economy on him too..
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:36 AM
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45. If you are unable to see the difference between sending an army to war
and funding an army already in the field, that's your problem.

Educate yourself.

Here's a great place to start:

www.goarmy.com
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:37 AM
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47. "Stupid, pandering, cowardly scum " -good description of barack
if i could recommend this post i would.....
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:10 AM
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28. Gross.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:12 AM
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30. She acknowledged, during her vote speech, that it WAS a vote for war!
And at one of the debates, she LIED and said she regretted that vote. :crazy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSu0zXCR9sE

"I will take the president at his word."

Then she begins smiling/smirking, and says:

"This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.
And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them."
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:15 AM
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32. And thus the reason I would NEVER vote for her.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:24 AM
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34. I Regret Having Ever Defended Her
I actually used to believe she had morals and character. I was wrong.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:29 AM
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37. I second that emotion!!
I also regret having ever had to defend her. She has shown her true colors and character in the past few months, her "wide stance" on the IWR notwithstanding!! I've had enough lies, manipulations, bullshit and dishonesty from the current Administration to last a lifetime. Don't want or need anymore of the same.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:25 AM
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35. I regret that I was never able to support her because of her stance on the Iraqi War Resolution
And I regret that she has never come out and apologized to us for voting for IWR and I regret that she has never come out and said that her vote was a mistake. Edwards apologized and said his vote was a mistake and I never regretted supporting him. Sadly and unfortunately his political courage did not get him very far in the primaries. But I admire his honesty and courage which is something extremely rare in a politician these days. He'll make an excellent and honest AG in the Obama Administration should he choose to accept the position. I've no doubt he'll be serving in some position in the Obama Administration.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:34 AM
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41. "They got guns
we got guns

all god`s children got guns

we're gonna walk all over the battlefield

'cause all god's children got guns

oh freedonia don't you cry for me

'cause i`m coming 'round the mountain

with a banjo on my knee.."

from the marx brother`s "duck soup"
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #41
53. Clustered-Freedom-Bombs(tm)
that look like just like the food packs.

no regrets
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:35 AM
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42. Regrets are for elitists...Hillary is resolute...
Just like W...God, it makes me want to drink a beer with her...
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:54 AM
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49. no wonder she wants to obliterate iran.. glass parking lots wont resist us.
shes learning from her mistakes, gotta give her credit for that.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:19 AM
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54. Everyone who voted for it because of political pressure
Is responsible. Passing the buck off
to the President now, because it was the politically safe thing to do at the time no hero of mine. The true heroes are the ones with the strenght to stand up against that political climate 3 weeks before an election and everyone of them should be honored. No one who voted for that war should become President in my mind.

At least some admit they made a horrible mistake.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:20 AM
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55. A millionaire voting for war & it makes her happy. Please explain to me again why there are dems
supporting her.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:34 AM
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58. If the most important thing....

"If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from."

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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:21 PM
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59. right now it is the most important thing. of course there are many other socio-political issues..
and on them, Obama reflects my own views overwhelmingly
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:12 PM
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60. That comment absolutely guaranteed that I never support her again.
That comment was a slap in the face and I have turned the other cheek one time too many for this DINO in the past.

NOT. THIS. TIME.

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