BREAKING: TOM DASCHEL Just said Undecided SD's have called him (Obama's Camp) regarding Clinton NUKE

Just on MSNBC...

If Clinton's camp resorts to the Nuclear Option, Many SD's will TURN ON CLINTON and will be TICKED. I'm paraphrasing but that is the idea he was conveying.

Expect many more SD's to go to Obama given the recent threats (Daschel quoted 10-1 win-over on SDs).

I've been staying out of GDP and don't watch the propaganda cartel. So I don't even know if "nuclear option" in this context is a DU term or a Charleyseanbrit Stephatweetybaughdobbsian term.

It refers to Hillary forcing a showdown about Michigan & Florida primaries being counted in and seating those delegates.

Here's more about it...

Democratic Underground - UPDATE: Clinton WILL use the Nuclear Option! - Democratic Underground
Address:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5822533&mesg_id=5822533

Edit: added link

Had me worried there.

Hillary needs 68% in the remaining states. She might get a 51-49 Indiana and lose NC by 4-6%. That damned math will raise it's head again after tomorrow

3 from Il
2 from MD

who is the 6th?

One half delegate for Clinton from Democrats Abroad.

:) :woohoo:

Its 273 needed...it was at 285 this time last week.

They hypocrisy is just amazing. From Harry Reid to Pelosi to Dashle anyone who says what some want to here is now trustworthy and quotable! Yech! So Lieberman can redeem himself too if he says what you want?

If I read one more thread on what the GOP thinks are party should do I'll scream.

I haven't been able to stomach Daschle for years. I suspect most Obama fans, if they were honest with themselves, would feel the same way deep down.

rather liked Daschle, and though I'm not a Pelosi fan, I've often defended her here. Daschle, Reid and Pelosi aren't anything like Lieberman. How silly.

But I guess the repidity with witch DU threw RFK jr. under the bus shows the fickleness of some folks!

Speaking of fickle, you claim you liked him, but now you don't because he doesn't back Hillary. You're being just as hypocritical as anyone you're complaining about. :eyes:

for not being clearer.

She even said she believed he'd redeemed himself. :wow:

I look for patterns, not one off issues.

I certainly loathe the man, and it makes me very nervous to have him closely advising Obama. But anyway, your little strawman didn't stand very long.

but then, who is? And I know, you are going to say Rush Limbaugh, and yes he IS very trustworthy, but we will just have to agree to disagree.

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Anyway IMAO I think it was Hillary who sucked the life out of this years candidates. ( If Hillary didn't compete this year Obama still would have won... but at least it would have been an honest contest between real progressives)

Hell, if Hillary had gotten out after Iowa, there'd have been a race between Edwards and Obama.

and the rude one. Have some respect for the choices of others, and they will have some respect for your choice.... this is just bad form.....

oh, how i have singlehandedly dragged GDP into the gutter...
:rofl:

childish, immature statements like the previous one.... Laugh all you want it shows you are just a little kid playing games, and not at all interested in politics, just insults...

PS: I will not further insult you by putting this :rofl: because it is just not funny that you are so rude......

your banky, maam;

I am not the one insulting others, you are the cranky, mean, and childish one.. Maybe it is time you take a whittle nappy with your whittle bear blanket... Do you need a binky for that rude mouth?

or are you embarrassed for defending the tombstoned racist troll?

That locked thread was a sham.. And you are a divider and an interupter... I will not play your reindeer games... I am still waiting on that proof... Put your money where your mouth is.. That is all I ever asked.. Show me one post, and I would be the biggest believer on the board.... But you could not, and have not done that. Your opinion is not worth anything without reference....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5363817&mesg_id=5364301

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=118263&mesg_id=118263

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5492028&mesg_id=5492208

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4809359&mesg_id=4809455

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4809359&mesg_id=4809584

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5801352&mesg_id=5801352

ciao

not good enough in my book... I believe in free speech for all, even if the rest don't like it, but I do not believe in rude, racist, sexist, or intentionally disruptive behavior and obviously he violated the rules in some way....

I thank you for your links, he did focus on race a lot, but I have yet to see where he insults anyone because of their race......

and no hard feelings i hope. i read this board a lot and while you might find the celebratory thread crass, i can assure you he had it coming. he's one of the few that would call obama a radical black seperatist and a muslim (i assume those got deleted because i couldn't find), trust me, he was a flame-baiter extraordinaire.

peace :)

peace to you as well :hi:

;)

come November... This is going to be a tough race and media will try to kill us once more.....

That's racist enough in my book.

Hawkeye-X

Primary in their lifetimes?

and while many of us have often complained about the weakspines of Dean, Pelosi, and Daschale... they have always been considered honest.

I am only pointing out that as soon as some say what some want to hear, they auomatically remdeem themselves in the eyes of some of their most vehement detractors.

'republican-be-gone'! I need a can too.

major difference...

not sure where your info comes from. I think you're over the top here. Care to comment on
the actual post- you know, the SDs being concerned about Hillary and her dirty tactics?

Daschle has almost always been one of the good guys... at least to Obama supporters.

:shrug:

when Bill was always on the same page as Bush hurt so many Dems who believed Bill was advising them based on an honest assessment of the privileged information he saw as president.

Bill wanted Dems to rely on his integrity - we should have known better.

I wish I could see the video of this.

but he will not be trifled with. I look forward to more details on this conversation.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

Let the voters vote. Hillary has every right to attempt to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates.

Wouldn't it be irony if it cost you as many SD as you gain from Florida?

Or maybe more a matter of poetic justice.

Just Desserts.

Obama has already won and will be our nominee at convention.

Wow.

A win is a win to them.

it goes both ways.

It goes both ways. Not just the Obama way.

the party...at least McCain wants to go nuclear on another country.

ugly threats of a "nuclear option". Tough shit for her.

NT

:scared:

That crushing SD advantage she had going into the race is getting slimmer every day. Down to 18 now.

shall we just continue or move to "I know you are, but what am I?"

So, yeah. As far as I'm concerned, I hope Hillary is politically destroyed by this manuever. I hope she is so universally reviled she will know, she will feel, she will see that her actions have made her a pariah. I hope the super delegates squash her like a bug.

I hope her strategy of this:


Will end up with Dean doing this:

Listen to her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg

More about it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5419518

middle of the game? :puke: is right.

every right in the world to broadcast what they're hearing from uncommitted SDs who are sickened by team hilly's disgusting and endless supply of slime.

Just like in the old Soviet Union.

for the good of the Party.

Welcome to my IGNORE list. I frankly have had enough of you and your disruptive, flame baiting posts. DU used to be a wonderful place to come to in order to get away from the RW turds....now they are here and wasting bandwidth.

:puke:

She has the right to abide by the rules of the DNC.
The rules she agreed to.

Our Nominee will not be determined by flawed Primaries.

It's just not going to happen.

It is pretty low of Hillary to lead you and others on like this.

I believe she would NUKE the democratic party if it aligned with her own ambition... and her campaign said pretty much that.

So, really, who cares what he has to say?

It must be hard for a Hillpublican to comprehend that.

Must be hard for an Obama cultist to comprehend that.

feelings about this Clinton maneuver to to take the nomination.

i hope they sink her now

He was speaking very clearly about the response of those officially "undecided" Super Delegates who have called him to express concern in the last 24 hours. I believe him.

Listen to her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg

More about it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5419518

he is campaigning for Obama. This is the same man who was head of the senate and couldn't get re-elected because he was so conservative and obnoxious that even when Dean asked us to, we could not pitch in and help him. He wants Obama to win, he will say anything.

hillary disgusts me

I would consider the Democratic Nominee to eb the greater of all evils on my ballot.

If, on the other hand, she was able to convince enough Super Delegates to go her way in order to win, even though she had fewer pledged delegates, she'd still ahve my vote.

he's campaigning for Obama AND he's such a skank none of us could summon the will to try and help get him re-elected just a few years ago.

Supers don't actually cast their votes until the convention, right?

Hillary argument will be:

"With pledged delegates alone, Obama does not have the 2024 needed." I still have the right to call for a floor vote to see if superdelegates could change their minds and cast a final vote for me on the floor."

She's gone with the kitchen sink, and will not stop until the end all be all which won't come until Denver.

...commit to Obama to put him over 2025.

If they pull the plug, it would be like driving to the convention on an empty tank.

It would be basically impossible for Hillary raise money.

Folks will move on even if Hillary can't or won't.

and it goes to a second ballot at which point a new name can be nominated. Assuming they work it out beforehand, and there has been some talk already that they have (the "Denver Plan"), Gore's name is put into nomination, with Obama as VP, and we have a sure fire winning team in November and a Dem. in the WH for the next 16 years (and Hillary is put out to pasture - or becomes Senate Majority Leader). See our strategy for contacting super delegates to lobby them to consider this option if, in fact, the convention is going to be deadlocked and/or it looks like Hillary is trying to "steal" the nomination from Obama. Either click on my sig. line below to get to the Yahoo group where this is being discussed and organized (or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DraftGore08/) or visit the new web site which just went up last week: http://www.thealgoresolution.com/ We'd love to have more folks join our effort.

Might totally implode and we become a right wing theoracracy because someone is selfish...yeah I'm a little nervous.

Nuclear option...perfect description.

I have had it with Clinton.. with the Clintons. She cannot win at this point unless she pulls the equivalent of a "supreme court 2000" ruling that would negate the primary/caucus votes, the trend at this time of the supers moving to Obama (as they do with any candidate that is winning... which is why Hillary started with the number she did) and her agreement that MI and FL are not valid primary results.

If she could win fair and square, that's one thing. If she has to be this moral contortionist, then, to me, she does not win honestly. This pains me because it would force me to do something I do not want to do, which is not vote for the democratic nominee. This pisses me off because she and her supporters have the arrogance to claim that "winning is everything," even when it means they lose... because they will destroy the democratic party.

I do not know ONE PERSON in real life.... those who are not political junkies, you know those sorts of people? who like Hillary Clinton. Rather, they loathe her. They are sick of Clinton. They are sick of Bush.

so, yeah, I'm pissed that she and her camp think that this b.s. will result in anything other than tragedy for the party. maybe they don't care.

boom!



It's over Hillary, give up.

Sorry, i couldn't resist.

"Win at any costs, and if I can't win, I'll take you all down with me."

That will be her legacy.

Instead of her exiting gracefully, the SDs are going to have to go after her with knives. The boomerang just keeps knocking Hillary in the back of the head consistently and she still doesn't learn.

She wants to obliterate Iran and the Dem Party. She reminds me of the insane American General in Dr. Strangelove who initiated nuclear war with Russia.

I don't care whether Obama or Clinton wins this race???

:popcorn:

political party.

It takes away the last major card the Clinton Campaign could play. And this nulls and void almost any chance that the supers will overturn the pledged delegates.

If this nomination aint done by tomorrow it will be by mid June.

I'm talking rank and file here, not "leaders", whatever they are.

Republican rely on discipline and order. Directing political threats to a republican audience may be somewhat effective b/c the personality types attracted to republican ideology crave acceptance, order, and rules.

Democrats, on the other hand, have a strong anti-authoritarian strain. Tell me "GO NORTH" and I have a knee-jerk reaction to turn south.

Hillary's strategy of bringing heavy pressure on the superdels would probably work much better if she were dealing with republicans.

But it's backfiring with the dems.

We just don't like being told what we "have" to do.

I'm confused.

:evilgrin:

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Too few Americans have seen the gruesome photos of what those little atomic bombs we tested on the Japanese people actually did. It is part of our history that our people need to learn about on a gut level. Then casual references to nuking when we want to appear tough will be seen in their full horror.