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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:55 PM
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If Hillary wins legit, I will vote for her. If she uses the "Nuclear Option", I vote for NOBODY...
I won't for any Democrats this November if she even TRIES to do this "nuclear" bullshit I'm read about. That is just ridiculous! Just who the hell does she think she is?

Talk about a complete subversion of democracy. My GOD I am disgusted if that is true.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:57 PM
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1. Clinton supporters don't believe in playing by the rules that Clinton herself signed off on.
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:57 PM
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2. Her using the "nuclear option" would be completely legit
So thank you for your vote.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:59 PM
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4. If she was legitimately winning, she wouldn't be squawking about using the Nuke option.
But she's NOT - and that's the problem.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:59 PM
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5. No, it wouldn't
Edited on Mon May-05-08 02:59 PM by IWantAnyDem
and it's a matter of opinion, so yours doesn't count where mine is concerned.

The DNC requested candidates remove their names from teh Michigan ballot. Obama complied. Clinton did not. Now you want to punish Obama for dioing what was aksed of him. Screw that.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:18 PM
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18. Oh no the DNC didn't....
The candidates pledged not to campaign in those states. No one told them to take their names off the ballots. The only reason they took their names off the ballot in Michigan was to suck up to the Iowa & NH voters. The DNC never asked them to remove their names. that was their own dumbass decision.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:54 PM
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20. You're wrong, the DNC requested the names be removed, here's proof
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:54 PM by IWantAnyDem
Directly from Gary Shay (Hillary endorser and member of the Rules and Bylaws Committee):

Well, there are a lot of things that happened with Michigan. First of all, the primary law was challenged as to its constitutionality and it was thrown out. So, there’s no law supporting the Michigan primary.

There’s the fact that Hillary Clinton’s name and the uncommitted slate was the only thing that was on the ballot in Michigan because the Democratic National Committee asked the other candidates to withdraw their names from the ballot. So, here you have the institution itself asking people to pull their names off the ballot.



Link
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:00 PM
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8. And you don't care what that would do to the party, do you?
:eyes:

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:02 PM
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13. They never cared about the party
They called us a cult...it was projection.
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:05 PM
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15. Of course it's completely justifiable to the Hillary goon squad...

"To protect Democracy, we must destroy Democracy!"
- DU Clinton Goon Squad Motto
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:23 PM
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19. She takes
Some bad pictures.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:04 PM
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24. exactly.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:58 PM
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3. Well said
I'd consider it a legitimate win if she convinced enough Super Delegates toi go for her and give her the win even though she had fewer pledged delegates.

If she nukes, she's worse than Repukes.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:59 PM
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6. What's all this talk about Obliterate and Nuclear Option
Did she get possessed by the demon that controlled Ronald Reagan?
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:00 PM
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7. So you are saying it would not be legitimate for the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee
to grant the appeal brought by Florida and Michigan?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:01 PM
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10. Florida has a case
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:04 PM by Jake3463
A bad one but a case...Michigan where she was the only name on the ballot has no case.

If the split on this decision is Clinton supporters vs Obama supporters...than the committee is a sham.

Plus Florida and Michigan have members of the committee...they should recuse themselves.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:07 PM
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16. Florida has a case for half the delegates
It's weak, but it's still a case.

They have no case for more than half. None.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:00 PM
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9. I'm with you...and even if she doesn't, it will be very hard...she has
become everything that I disliked about the repugs that have been running this country...
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:01 PM
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11. My understanding is that she can't use it because Rules and Bylaws doesn't determine it.
She could try it at the Convention, with the credentials committee but probably wouldn't get very far and besides, I think it will be over long before August.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:01 PM
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12. Adlai Stevenson received 78,000 primary votes vs. 3.1 million for Estes Kefauver
Adlai got the nomination.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:08 PM
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17. Hillary Clinton is no Adlai Stevenson... enough said. n/t
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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:58 PM
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21. Two Things About That...
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:58 PM by The_Counsel
1. The Stevenson/Kefauver thing happened before the "superdelegate" rule took effect. In 1952 it was completely normal for either or both parties' nominee to emerge from a smoke-filled room.

2. Stevenson went on to lose in the general election. Badly.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:09 PM
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25. Hillary just may have the lead in the popular vote at the convention.
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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:06 PM
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35. And Your Point Is ... What, Exactly?
The rules say you need a majority of the total delegates to gain nomination. The total votes don't matter, and for good reason. The fact that it's impossible to count total votes in caucuses is one such reason.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:04 PM
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14. Unfortunately, this election is too important.
Normally, I'd agree 100%, but the thought of President McCain is moderately more sickening then a President Clinton II.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:59 PM
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22. This Michigan voter agrees 100%!
I will vote for the Democratic nominee for every office UNLESS my vote is silenced by Hillary's power grab. At that point I go third party without looking back. I will suffer voting for centrists and I will swallow my bile to vote for known liars and panderers but that is it.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO WORKS TO STEAL MY VOTE OR SILENCE MY VOICE. End of story and no debate possible. If Hillary wins through SDs without Michigan fine, but if my vote against her is not heard because of spineless, wheedling, power grubbers in our state's Democratic party then everyone of them loses my vote.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:04 PM
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23. Ditto. K&R n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:47 PM
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39. Why do you recommend threads done by obvious trolls? Are you one, too?
Idiot
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:11 PM
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26. Nuclear option
You mean she's going to nuke Obama headquarters??
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:14 PM
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27. Who cares who you vote for? Even if every Obama supporter at DU refuses to vote for
Hillary that would probably mean a max of 2,500 votes.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:18 PM
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29. Are you naive enough to think that?
LOL. Let's hope it doesn't come down to finding out what Obama supporters will do. I for one, will not be forced to vote for an illegitimate Hillary just because I'm a Democrat. Her campaign and her supporters must think we will all fall in line behind her like good little sheep. WRONG.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:19 PM
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30. Don't vote for her, who cares?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:21 PM
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31. She will lose the GE.
McCain will be president and sink this country further into the swamp, then Obama will be elected in 4 years. Works for me.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:22 PM
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32. She will lose if you don't vote for her? Who's naive?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:24 PM
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33. Oh good lord.
Absurd to continue talking to you.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:18 PM
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28. Lordy, I'd love your "No More Elephants" thingy as a bumper-sticker.
Does anyone know where I can get me some?
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cjsmom44 Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:26 PM
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34. RE: Off the Deep End...


this is it

Hillary has truly gone off the deep end....

Big Splash on Drudge

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_OPEC_can_no_longer_be_a_cartel.html
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:27 PM
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36. You can always write-in a candidate.
Nuclear option would confirm she's turned her back on the party, so I agree about your not voting in an election where your only choice is between two Republicans. But you can use your vote as a statement and write-in the name of a Democrat you'd like to see as the nominee.

If you are certain you won't vote for Hillary, this is a far better option than staying home.

Personally, I don't think our party will allow her to take the nomination by chicanery. But if they do, I'm already checking out other party affiliations to send my future donations to instead of the DNC.

I'll won't ever give them another red cent if they let her steal this.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:42 PM
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37. dupe
Edited on Tue May-06-08 07:43 PM by mtnsnake
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:42 PM
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38. A while back you were running your troll mouth making racist rants
which got deleted and today you've already had two threads locked for being a troll. Why are you still here? I can't wait for your idol, John McCain to get his ass kicked by Hillary in the GE.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:51 PM
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40. The "nuclear option" was what the Senate GOP used to scare pussy Dems to not fillibuster
lame SCOTUS appointees.

I think it is offensive to apply the label to a Democrat. It is evidence of the way that we are vilifying a Democrat while developing a tolerance for the much greater crimes of the GOP.

Maybe this picture I did in 2005 will remind people of whom the real enemy is?
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