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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:32 AM
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I remember people on here saying...
That Obama won Pennsylvania because he closed the gap by a good amount. If Obama does not win NC by 20 points than Hillary can declare victory.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:33 AM
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1. Well if she can't do that she will simply add NC to the ever
expanding list of states that don't matter...
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:33 AM
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2. Actually, 8 points was the over/under.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:34 AM
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7. he was ahead by 20-25 IIRC
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:54 AM
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17. Only a few polls. Most had it around 15. HRC was ahead in PA by about the same.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:33 AM
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3. By what metric?
The monkeys flying around my butt metric??
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:33 AM
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4. What?
I hope you forgot the :sarcasm: tag.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:34 AM
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5. LOL, good point.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:34 AM
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6. wow charles, you said something other than "ain't she sweet?"
I don't even care if you ARE wrong

good job, my brotha (or sistah)
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:37 AM
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12. It gets boring typing she is wonderful all the time.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:35 AM
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8. Um except hes in the lead, it was a big deal because she was behind and might advance
her delegate count and she wont tomorrow unless she wins both by 66% or better.

This isn't a slam at her personally its just the facts of the contest.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:35 AM
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9. He wasn't ahead by that much
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:35 AM
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10. What was your best subject... math, or psychology?
I'm taking the under.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:36 AM
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11. "Obama won Pennsylvania"
can you site a single thread that said that?
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:39 AM
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13. Nope. If Hillary doesn't win NC by SIX ZILLION POINTS it just proves
*insert weak theory here.*
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:40 AM
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14. She can declare victory all she wants, it won't get her and delegates
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:58 AM
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18. Actually, it will. That's why you have fear.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:22 AM
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19. the delegates are smarter than you. they won't buy her spin.
Edited on Tue May-06-08 02:23 AM by JVS
she has to catch up, not merely lose by less than in Feb. and March
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:45 AM
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15. Hillary's electability isn't in question with the super delegates...
Edited on Tue May-06-08 01:45 AM by Hippo_Tron
Although frankly for the life of me I can't imagine why they aren't questioning her electability but that's another story.

Obama could've lost Pennsylvania by 20 and still come out of this thing ahead in pledged delegates. But had he not shown momentum in Pennsylvania, Clinton would have been able to make a more convincing argument to the SD's that they need to overturn the will of the pledged delegates to save the party.

Obama isn't trying to convince super delegates to vote for him because he's more electable as demonstrated by Hillary Clinton's margins in certain states. He's trying to convince super delegates to vote for him because he has more support from pledged delegates.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:46 AM
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16. If she wants the nomination she'll need delegates, and she doesn't
have them.

I don't believe tomorrow's outcomes in NC and IN is going to alter that scenario.

Senator Clinton has lost the nomination.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:44 AM
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20. Nice picture of Hillary - that's what I say.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 03:41 AM
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21. Obama supporters have made this a science
Find the least favorable poll from a couple months back and clutch it like the last branch on the way down, regardless of lack of common sense or any mathematical sense, when the demographics are logically applied.

Then you unveil and abuse in sentence form, adding a few simplistic touches:

* "Hillary was expected to win Pennsylvania by 20-25 points..."

* "Hillary was favored to win Pennsylvania by 20-25 points..."

Eventually it gets passed from aardvark to aardvark, devoured like a termite. Who needs moving goal posts when tiny creatures can gnaw at previously functioning brain cells, transforming Colorado to more vital than Ohio, suffocating arrogance into humble, and irrelevant early polls into source gospel?

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:23 AM
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23. I agree.
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:06 AM
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22. Hillary actually needs 20+ point victories to catch Obama, Obama on the other hand
is in the lead. I think that's the difference you are missing.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:24 AM
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24. no, but Rush probably can......can you say CHAOS?
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:47 AM
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25. He actually WIDENED the PA gap. In Feb he predicted he would lose PA by 5 points.
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