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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:23 AM
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What, if anything, does Barack Obama propose to do about hyper-inflated gas prices this summer.
I'm guessing...nothing.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:27 AM
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1. "Guessing?" Typical low-information voter..... he's proposed plenty....


...in every stump speech the past several weeks.


I'm not going to do your research for you, but basically he proposed higher CAFE standards, windfall taxes on oil companies to pay for more research into alternative fuels, and much much more.


But you put your fingers in your ears and yell "la-la-la" when Obama is talking about these issues, apparently.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:28 AM
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2. All of this during this summer?
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:29 AM
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5. He's faster than we thought...
and lots more powerful, too, I guess.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:32 AM
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9. I kept hearing he was God and just didn't believe it
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:59 AM
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28. oh, is that what the light around his head was? i thought it was a flashlight... must be a halo
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:29 AM
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6. It's already a given the gas tax holiday is not going to pass this summer
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:40 AM
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15. Since the other thead is locked: WIC stands for Women, Infants
Edited on Tue May-06-08 07:42 AM by cali
and Children. It's a federal program available in every state that provides free food supplements to low income women and their children. They provide formula, including soy and other special needs formulas, cheese, milk and juice.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/aboutwic/

And your friend is eligible for more than $42 dollars a month in food stamps. She may also be eligible for a subsidy for child care and more help from the gov't due to her status as a war widow.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:45 AM
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19. What has Hill done to get a bill by "this summer?" Memorial Day is three weeks away
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:28 AM
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3. Guessing and not learning about the canidates is what leads people to support Hillary
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:29 AM
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4. Which is the same that Hillary will do......
Cause nothing is going to get passed...or even proposed.

At least Obama is not promising you something that can't be delivered. He is running to become the President, and he is telling us plenty as to what he will do at such time.

Hillary's has no power to get anything done that she promises.....she's just running at the mouth,
and hope folks won't remember by the time June hits.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:29 AM
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7. That's a question better asked of the Senate Majority leader
It's doubtful Harry can get any legislation to the floor.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:30 AM
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8. Nothing would be better than Clinton's proposal
90 bucks per family, if you trust the oil companies to just simply not reraise the prices and swallow up the profits entirely, which corresponds to what, 30k lost jobs fixing our already failing infrastructure?

Yeah, that's a great plan. A gift to the oil companies, 30k people out of work, and even crappier roads.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:37 AM
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13. That $28 dollars per family.
$28.00 for the entire 3 months.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:39 AM
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14. Sorry my mistake
28 dollars per family over 3 months gifted to the oil companies (not sure how that breaks down per oil company), approx 30k lost jobs, and even more failing infrastructure.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:32 AM
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10. Nobody can do jackshit about oil prices until we get a Dem president--
--who will not veto a windfall profits tax. In the long term, there isn't anything we can do other than invent the post-oil economy. We can, however, stop oil companies from screwing consumers on short-term price fluctuations.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:33 AM
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12. If by nothing you mean he's not going to assume people are too stupid to know that a gas tax holiday
would never get through the congress and signed into law by Bush...then yes, he'll be doing nothing.

But fortunately he does have REALISTIC plans for helping people in REAL ways, like a middle class tax cut, and second stimulus plan, investments in alternative fuels, and more fuel efficient cars.

But no, he doesn't have any phony proposals because he thinks Americans are more intelligent than that and will see through those sorts of things.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:41 AM
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16. If you think 30 cents a day is "doing something," you're the kind of
low information voter the Clinton campaign is after. Obama is proposing long term solutions, not trying to provide a "quick fix" that amounts to nothing.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:44 AM
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17. What's Hillary doing? I'm guessing...nothing... (now answer a few questions)
She wants a tax holiday from Memorial Day to Labor Day, right? Answer a few questions:

1) How many weeks until Memorial Day?
2) Has she drafted legislation for her plan?
3) Has she gotten co-sponsors?
4) Has she spoken to Pelosi (House) or Reid (Senate) about scheduling her bill?
5) How is she going to deal with Bush? he has to sign any bill.

So what--besides talk has the Senator done and summer is just a stone throw away.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:01 AM
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23. I notice you didn't answer the question.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:45 AM
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18. Your post is very deceptive, and based on the faulty premise that
Senator Clinton has, or will, do something about "hyper-inflated gas prices this summer". In other words; Total Bullshit.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:46 AM
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20. Can you show me a copy of the Actual Legislation that Hillary has submitted to Congress
for this summers gas prices? Being that summer is almost here, I'm sure she has already drafted legislation and submitted it for consideration....being that saving voters $30-$60 at the pump cumulatively over a 3 month period (theoretically speaking) will make the difference between financial ruin or financial independence. So, please provide us with a link to the submitted version of her legislation on this matter. If there is no legislation submitted to Congress by Hillary yet, and considering that "the summer driving season" is only a few short weeks away, and the snails pace of the Senate and House, then it's all just political hyperbole, isn't it?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:58 AM
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21. Nothing is going to be done this summer by anyone.
Edited on Tue May-06-08 07:59 AM by bowens43
There is no short term solution for this problem and the shameless pandering by hillary is just more evidence that she is not fit to be president. She knows that both Pelosi and Reid have said that the so called proposal she supports will never make it to the floor for a vote yet she keeps talking about like it's something she can do. The woman is a shameless liar. Hopefully the good people of Indiana and North Carolina will put an end to her political career today.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:00 AM
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22. Economic reality
Before asking what Obama proposes to do, ask yourself this: What can any president do to lower the price of gas? The reality is that a president can do almost nothing to lower the price of gas. It's a commodity like any other in the world that is affected by supply, demand, market forces, speculation, etc. Of course no candidate will tell you that.

If it's so easy to lower gas prices, then why hasn't the Dem congress lowered prices over the past 15 months. Gas prices have been going up all this time.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:10 AM
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24. I think it would be rather easy to get the price/gallon down actually.
As you yourself said, the current prices are a reflection of market forces which means speculators. Speculators are chicken shit lemmings at heart. If they detect a peak, they'll start selling off their holdings in mass which will bring the price down. The key then is to show them the peak. A person with power and influence can do that. The problem is I think, most of the people with power and influence are probably making a killing in the energy markets and don't want to kill their cash cow.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:00 AM
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30. Speculators
Edited on Tue May-06-08 10:01 AM by Jake3463
Are an easy scape goat. Pick one person and blame them because it makes a good 15 second soundbite for Tweety and Fox News. The situation is much more complex. The falling dollar, refining capacity, countries with production are unstable etc... Are speculators part of the problem yes...However they are a symptom not the disease.

This problem is being built over 30 years...not going to be solved over a summer.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:38 AM
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37. the per barrel price of light sweet crude is hyper-inflated because of speculation. period.
and the last thing the speculators want to see is the price per barrel drop to a level that is purely reflective of the supply/demand relationship. They're getting rich by fucking us at the pump. Getting rich is good; therefore, fucking us at the pumps is good and must continue. This is the status quo that needs to be changed. We need to start fucking the energy speculators.
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gbrenna Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:54 AM
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25. Reality check
George Bush is in the White House. There is nothing either Clinton or Obama can do about prices this summer. Do you really think Congress will pass a bill reducing the gas tax in less than six weeks? Come on! Hillary know this gas tax business is total nonsense-pandering. Also, any windfall tax against the oil companies would be vetoed by George Bush. It is easy to promise that which you know can not be done period.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:56 AM
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26. Umm, he's still only one Senator, as is Hillary
What he's going to do as President is assess each problem fully and propose solutions that aren't a continuation of passing the financial buck to future generations.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:58 AM
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27. Neither of them
can do anything about this summer, the congress has basically said that it's not going to happen. Next year is a different issue.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:59 AM
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29. What does Clinton plan to do?
She isn't the President. Neither is he.

Don't be stupid.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:00 AM
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31. Mock people for whom $30 means more food on the table, or the water bill
Edited on Tue May-06-08 10:03 AM by QC
getting paid on time, etc. Oh, and then complain about "Low Information Voters" when people point out the ghastly snobbishness of it all.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:06 AM
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35. LIV's believe oil companies wont raise the price to pre tax break levels.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:30 AM
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36. Sometimes symbolism matters.
Edited on Tue May-06-08 10:45 AM by QC
One candidate pretends to be wiling to try to do something, while the other laughs at people for whom thirty bucks is a meaningful sum of money and accuses them of being ignorant.

Who comes out looking bad here?
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:01 AM
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32. A better question...
How is Hillary going to follow through on her "promises" when she can't get anyone else on board with her plan?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:01 AM
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33. Not pander, that's what. eom
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:03 AM
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34. Give us the link to Hillary's legislation on thomas.gov -- I'm waiting. n/t
n/t
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