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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:49 AM
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Poll question: Given the way the right treated John Kerry's military record, how should we treat John McCain's?
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:51 AM
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1. Let the Right act like the Right...
We don't have to. We're the good guys, gang....remember?

Duke
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:52 AM
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2. Taking the high road doesn't go over big around here.
I agree, and I applaud your stand, but I suspect that you're going to get roasted but good for saying this.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:00 AM
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8. I agree with Duke Newcombe
Edited on Tue May-06-08 10:01 AM by KansDem
My father was retired Navy and my uncle was a retired Air Force general (both deceased). I consider myself anything but "neo-con," "conservative," or even GOP, and even though I have issues with McCain, I will not sully his military record the way the GOPers did with John Kerry...



Sometimes you have to take the "high road." Since shit flows downhill, there might be just too much crap on the low one...

edited for clarity...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:53 AM
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3. Other: Let Hillary use her spare time and money after Obama is nominated to form a 527 ...
... and take on the dirty task of attacking McCain. She's shown she has a taste for such sewage, so let her "serve" her (alleged) Party and become the Sikh of the campaign.

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:15 PM
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15. I notice that NO Clinton supporter has backed up your Excellent Suggestion. n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:53 AM
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4. McCain is not a war hero. He is a war prisoner.
Enough to honor him for that. Period.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:55 AM
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6. he became a hero when they offered him a chance to leave early
and even though he was in a seriously deteriorated state of health kept his position in line and let his comrads go first.

Its not being a WP that makes him a hero its what he did while he was a prisioner.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:54 AM
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5. There's enough dirt on McLoon in his political career
We don't need to touch his military service.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:55 AM
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7. Always do the RIGHT THING. Just attack the crap out of his LIES and deceits as a senator.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:01 AM
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9. It was wrong when the RW lied about Kerry
In our case it would be equally wrong and stupid. We do not start at that same point. The Democrats can not do RW tactics as well as the right. They have an infastructure that we don't. In a battle of dueling swiftboat attacks, they will win. In 2004, the swiftboat attacks would have failed if - at least when covering the convention - the media had said this goes too far speaking of the purple heart bandaids. Then said it was wrong to mock the sacrifices of thos injured, including John Kerry and pointed out that the Navy records backed him and the SBVT offered no proof against the official record. It would then have been great if they pointed out the connections to Bush. That could have led to a sober analysis of the characters of two men.

That of course didn't happen, the bandaids were treated as though they were 2004's version of silly hats covered as a novellty at every convention - good old American goofiness, rather than something despicable. Now, think 2008. Imagine that HRC attacks McCain in the mode she has attacked Obama. The RW radio stations will go nuts, followed by the cable stations and then the MSM. In the light of day - which attention brings to it - swiftboating looks unbelievable ugly. The truth may be that Bush got away with it twice - Kerry and McCain - and used other techniques against Gore - but it requires a complicit media. HRC may not have that and many of us do not want to be with that type of attack.

What bothers me the most about it is that 2006 really was a victory over swiftboating. the three vets targeted all won as people rejected it. The danger, if HRC wins, is that McCain may be smart enough to see that he does not need to do - just to stay calm and call her out sadly when she does. It would be ironic if after Kerry was the victim, the Republicans are rewarded when the country turns against swiftboating. Obama is right we need to end that type of politics.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:13 AM
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10. Be ruthless but truthful. n/t
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Leocattiglio Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:33 AM
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11. It doesn't matter how we treat him
We have little power. The power is in the hands of the few corporations who control the media.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:36 AM
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12. I think we should make a very public game out of it
not so much to go after McCain, but to embarrass and the expose the right wing for what they did to Kerry. Give them their comeuppance and make the apologize.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:38 AM
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13. Attacking McCain's Miliary Record Would be a Disaster
other than eating a plate of live kittens on TV, there aren't many bigger mistakes the Democratic nominee (Obama) could make.
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anonymeme Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:41 AM
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14. McCain Spoke Out FOR Kerry Against the Swift-Boat Liars. And He Himself Was Swift-Boated By Bush.
Surely we Dems are better than Bush and Co who -- with Bush & Cheney's non-service in the military -- have sought to smear and defame REAL military heros like John Kerry, John McCain and Max Cleland.

None of us could in good conscience do that to McCain.
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