If Hillary ends up on the ticket as VP, will you support her then?

I strongly support Obama. I'm not crazy about Hillary, but I don't hate her and I refuse to trash her here or anywhere else. If Obama wins the nomination and chooses Hillary as VP, will you happily vote her in or continue on will you not vote?

Just trying to figure out if there is anyone who thinks Hillary would be good for something, if not the presidency. We're all democrats afterall, including Hillary.

that now exists in the Democratic Party, thanks to Hillary Clinton and her Bush/Rove pig-slop politics.

...and the party itself.

The GOP ad is already written:

"Barack Obama's own running mate thinks John McCain would be a better leader."
(cue clip of Hillary saying McCain has experience, Obama has a speech)
"If she doesn't believe Obama is ready, should you?"

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getting kinda tired of answering that question

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they'd make a terrific pair

I will support the nominee but I would not like to see Hillary on the ticket, top or bottom.

if she wins I will support her...I don't like her much ...but I don't have to like her...I have to know she is capable and she is...it is just the way she has campaigned i think that is leaving a bad taste..i can get past that.

Worst possible VP choice he could make.

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I will support her. I will be very surprised if he chooses her.

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but I wouldn't count on her as a VP candidate. If it came to that, I'm sure she would rather stay in the Senate where she would have much more power and influence.

For Hillary, running for office has never been about satisfying her ego, she really wants to make change and fix so many of the problems we're dealing with.

I'd seriously question his choice given what Clinton continues to do by threatening the nuclear option and today just pushing the narrative that FL and MI count.

These actions alone, never mind what's already happened, tell me that her campaign has gone beyond reason and is willing to do or say whatever they need to at whatever cost to achieve their goal.

Would I trust someone like that to stand by as my VP? Hells no. They probably couldn't wait for me to be "Wellstoned" so they could grab the top spot.

No dead weight DINOs!!! Jettison them.

which I sincerely hope he would NOT do in the first place!

Don't think it's the best strategic choice, but I am worried about defections from Clinton supporters, and if it's necessary in the interest of party unity so be it.

If Clinton manages to get the nomination, she better put Obama on the ticket...I'll vote for her either way but putting Obama on the ticket is the only way I'd even consider doing anything else for her. I think she pretty much has to put Obama on the ticket if she gets the nomination to avoid an uproar and a split in the party.

Obama may have the same problem, especially if she narrows his delegate lead to the point where Michigan and Florida would make the difference. I don't want an outcome where either candidate's supporters feel their candidate was cheated out of the nomination, and if a joint ticket is the only way to avoid that, so be it.

Democrat to the end! Kudos to you. If only some Obama supporter will wise up just like you we're all be one happy family.

That's what we should do. If she makes the top of the ticket, I will support her. If she gets veep, I will support her.

That's what Democrats--real ones--do. That's what smart people--anybody--would do.

After all, think of the alternatives.

...you supported LIEberman when he had the Big D after his name? How about Zell Miller...there's another great Dem for ya!

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They can be persuaded more so than if they are not. Eventually, they will remove themselves from the party.

I don't like either of those guys, but the situation with Hillary and Obama is different. Neither Hillary nor Obama have behaved as poorly as the two you cite.

With the Hillbots and Obamabots acting as they do now, Karl Rove is laughing his ass off for playing straight into puke hands.

Loyalty to the D and nothing but the D sure has made for an ineffective Congress that is more at odds with the People than for the People.

They got there by preying on your party loyalty and making you fear the alternative, even though they enable the alternative.

Currently I am advocating a two-part solution

1. Get informed
2. Get rid of the dead weight

One of our primary problems as grassroots activists is that we do precious little time studying up on the sins of our own party. The voting records and associations of our Democratic representatives are well-known if you do a little digging. Through this study, you will quickly identify which Democrats are most responsible for enabling the other side time and again, putting us in the fine pickle we have now. If you dig through my posts, you will find that I have already identified my culprits...but I am not going to do that homework for anyone else. That journey is individual, but if you are a progressive, I would wager that your conclusions would be similar to my own.

One we have identified the good from the bad, it is time to dry up the support for the bad. One thing that DINOs love is loyal liberals who they can pick on in the public eye but still rely on their support for volunteering, donating, etc. We should withdraw support from them and oppose them in the primaries and withhold our "boots on the ground" in general elections. If they like the Republicans and the corporations so much, they can get their support entirely from them. What they will find out quickly is that the real power in the party lies with the People, as it always has, and the primary challenges will start to gain traction.

This is already taking effect through the efforts of DFA, etc. They have knocked one or two Bush-loving Democrats out in this primary to be replaced by real progressives. That is how we win this country back one seat at a time. Joe Leiberman was only the first, even though the results of that effort were less than perfect, he has been outed at least and can no longer speak for the party or affect it from the inside.

If we fail to do these two things, we will never have an opposition party and the new boss will always be the same as the old boss.

Oh, as for the Republicans...with real Democrats advocating for the People once again, a lot of cynical, disaffected Americans will come home, and defeating the Republicans will become so much easier. Right now it is hard to do when nearly half of our party agrees with them...after all, how effectively can you campaign on a "me too" platform?

Working within the party to change the party is the only way we will not end up with McCain.

Working to get rid of the DINOs is high on all progressives' to-do list. If we do that at the grassroots level and populate Congress with real Dems, the president, especially a Dem president, will HAVE TO bend to the will of the people.

Throwing away a vote for a third-party presidential candidate will not enable all those freshmen progressives to get legislation passed under a Republican.

If you have a dirty stable, it is easier to clean the stable than build another. Besides, shit is meant to be taken out, anyways.

I'll turn Green.

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But by all means, you certainly have the freedom to make that choice, and if it comes to that, I hope you like the freedom of the consequences if enough Hillary or Obama haters keep their snitty behavior into November.

If they insist on running DINOs, it isn't the party for me. McCain is no worse than HilLIARy.

is Democrats acting stupidly.

("couldn't answer the 3AM call")and said so many negative things about him that the republicans can play back in ads. It would hurt the ticket a lot.

that whoever is the nominee , we Democrats need to rally around and support them with all our heart.

Just as I'd lose respect for a parent who gives into a verbally abusive, spoiled child.

unless of course the pretzledunce decides to give the veep power. Obama could do to her what most presidents have done to their veeps - ignore them and let them rot in a corner.

It's not just about their position of power or lack thereof, it would be a matter of succession after his term is up. VPs usually have a good shot at the Presidency after 8 years. He needs to pick someone who has the potential to be President at that point...

yes she would get a shot, but I suspect she would have less success eight years from now than she did this time. I can get over her awful end-stage campaign. She can redeem herself by turning that fighting spirit of hers around and throwing everything she has at McCain. I don't think she will do that and I don't think she will take the n2 spot. The Clintons realistically are playing for 2012 at this point, they know they don't have any chance at 08.

...his sanity and then I would question whether he had ever had any real commitment to change. Hillary is DLC ~~ she is no progressive. IMO, she is LIEberman in a polyester pantsuit. Why in the hell would he want her anywhere near his administration unless he was in agreement with her policy positions.

If Hillary is ANYWHERE on the Dem ticket for the GE ~~ that most likely is a deal breaker for me.

JMHO

Hillary would be a double mistake.

Yipes!
Holy shit?
WTF?
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A la Ned Lamont.

lol, just kidding. ;)

No, NO!

I think Wes Clark would be the best choice for Obama followed by Joe Biden, but if he is forced to take Hillary then I'll support the ticket to the best of my ability.

I'll also do the same if Hillary lands in the top spot unless she does it by stealing the Michigan vote without my voice being heard.

And she is the antithesis of what Obama is all about.

instead I'll support him. ;-)

But since I would vote for Hillary should disaster strike and she be the Dem candidate, her being on the ticket would not keep me from supporting that ticket, although it would take some of the luster off.

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accusing her of being a murderer is why some of us think you guys are blinded by hate.

It's just sick. It's exactly what you'd see on FreeRepublic. It's just irrational, baseless hatred.

Putting on my "political realist" hat for a moment, the AA Man/W Woman combo would be serious GE suicide in my sad opinion. It looks like demographics will play a huge role in any event, so I really think a "typical white male politician" is the only option for either.

I don't even think an AA/W Woman ticket would fly in Canada (my no longer home but native land).

Sad.

Edit: not that Canada has presidential elections, but you get the drift.

For one, it separates the people who acutally like Obama with people who really don't care about him, and just spout vile petty personal hatred about Hillary. For them, Hillary hating is a sport.

It also separates those who care about actually winning with people who would happily ensure 40 years of Republican rule by leaving the Democratic party. People who can't realize that unfortunately, the country is not as progressive as them, who can't realize that they have a structural choice between Democrats and Republicans whether they like it or not (where voting Green just means they made the choice not to help the Dem), and who take the "my way or the highway" approach.

I think this post is going to be very helpful to mods when they are looking for evidence to TS people later.

There are people on this board who really like Obama and want to see him become president. They like his new tone, his style, his positions on issues.

And then there are people who just hate Hillary. She isn't as progressive as they are, so they go nuts with petty hatred towards Hillary. In this case, Obama is her opponent, so they support Obama. But if anyone else were her opponent (who didn't have a long history of not being progressive as they were), they would be just as enthusiastically supporting them, because it allows them to continue to hate Hillary. These types of people say "I wouldn't defend Hillary even if she was getting stoned." (No joke, that was actually said by a DU member. I have it bookmarked.)

You seem to be one of the former, and I salute you for that.

That was excellent! I salute you back.

it's pretty clear from some of the responses here that hating Hillary is the primary motivation for supporting Obama for quite a few DUers.

The only person that benefits is Hillary Clinton.

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a Clinton/Obama ticket. However, I think it is unlikely that Clinton would get the VP nod from Obama, but one really never knows.

When I can spare time from harvesting my popsicle tree.

I don't believe that he would offer the VP position to someone of such low character

You are saying that you wouldn't vote for the democratic nominee; that you wouldn't help McCain get defeated. And YOU are talking about OTHER peoples' extreme lack of judgment?

Oh, boy.

Putting any politician that voted for the IWR, Kyle/Lieberman, obliterate Iran etc. would be opposite of what Obama has been saying - but if he feels he must to win this fall....

If she's on the ticket as a VP...absolutely. Same goes for Obama.

Any good Dem will.

not good in reality

Put another woman on the ticket, perhaps Barbara Boxer. That's someone we could all support.

But yeah, I guess I'd have to vote for that ticket. Or third party, since I live in a red state. But if I voted for that ticket, half of me would be happy and half would want to vomit.

Although neither Clinton or Obama were my first choice, I will support both of them if they are on the ballot, whether as a pair or not.

would be an option?

McCain?

I would have to support her.

I have said all along I would vote for her if she is the nom. I wont like it. But I would vote for her.... :eyes:

Its sad that so many Democrats say they will not.

... mark my words

would be unbeatable by the Repubs....even with massive cheating (by the Repubs)

I will cast my ballot for whomever has a D next to their name


on edit - clarity on who the chesaters will be

Regardless of his choice as VP. Hillary Clinton doesn't enter into it.

n/t

Of course he'd need a food-taster first;)


Truthfully, no... there is no way I want her in the executive branch. Gracious, I'll have to hold my nose to even vote for her for Senator next go round. I've lost all respect and affection for the woman, sadly.

I think she's setting the record for burning bridges, and is in fact unelectable at this point.

Picking the VP is the first big public decision that a nominee makes, and says a lot about the shape of their campaign and the administration they plan to run. No way does Obam want to look like he is governed by circumstances rather than being able to make his own choices. I'd say the same for Clinton if she were in front - the winner should honor their opponent, but have a completely free hand to pick their running mate.

McGovern took two really big hits. One was a Democratic Senator claiming, "people don’t know McGovern is for amnesty, abortion and legalization of pot." These sort of charges stick worse when they come from your own party.

The other was his first choice for Vice President being ... the very Senator who painted him as the candidate for, "amnesty, abortion and acid"!

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern#Amnesty.2C_abortion_and_acid


While Hillary has never undergone electroshock therapy for mental problems (as far as I know), she has during the primary been playing the part of Thomas Eagleton by painting Obama as "unready, anti-American, and elitist".

and will reluctantly accept that Hillary wiggled her way in.

I will then pray every day for Obama to survive the day.

I won't encourage or give my approval to her kind of actions. Or anyone else, anytime, anywhere, who does the same. This old white independent feminist kind of gal is taking a stand, and has drawn her particular line in the sand.

I will be be thrilled when we finally see a woman pres or VP. Woman have had extraordinary roles elsewhere in the world, it is about time for that here in the USA. However, I am cheesed off that someone this lacking in character happened to be the first to take a shot at it.

If she is on any ticket, I will vote against it.

Obama must get a food taster.

"...the Vice Presidency isn't worth a bucket of warm spit". Somebody famous said that.

Oil and water i tells ya oil and water :puke:

she will deflate Obama's ball

but i wouldnt be happy about it.

this is a battle for the party in my opinion.

He's made a point of campaigning on the fact he has better judgment than Hillary; I think he does, and I do not think he will agree to run with Hillary.

I for one would be very surprised. On the other hand I would continue to support Obama

She's on the record as saying that she thinks McCain's experience makes him better qualified to handle a national crisis than Obama. Wouldn't she prefer to be on McCain's ticket?