Obama will get CREAMED in West Virginia and Kentucky!

Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:23 AM Original message

Obama will get CREAMED in West Virginia and Kentucky!

...showing once and for all that he is unable to connect with the very blue-collar working class voters we absolutely need on our side to win in November. This is what the super delegates will realize as well. And after Rules & Bylaws votes to count Florida and Michigan for Hillary, this will be OVER, and we can finally put forth the only candidate we have left who can beat McCain. Just saying.

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Avalon6 (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:24 AM Response to Original message

1. He will get at least 30%

Won't do much for her in delegates.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #1

20. But it will succinctly drive home the point that Obama won't get the blue-collar support in the GE

that is necessary for us to win.

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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:33 AM Original message

No, things are so bad in this country, and the Repukes will be so hated by most Americans,

that either Dem should win in a landslide in November. This thing about Obama being less electable is nonsense. He will destroy McCain in the general election.

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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #20

36. And the blue collar vote is all that matters?

After the racism of the Clinton campaign which apparently is what is garnering all those "blue collar" votes do you think the "blue collar" votes will make up for the minority votes Hillary Clinton will NOT get? You might as well resign yourself to John McCain if Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee. Not that there's really much difference between them.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #36

67. Bill Clinton won the blue collar vote in 1996

and with that the election. You are saying he ran a racist campaign? And you are saying blue collar voters flocked to him because of it?? Wow.

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #67

158. He was running against another white guy.

Kinda hard to run a racist campaign against him, genius. :eyes:

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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 05:02 AM Response to Reply #158

170. Bob Dole: secret muslim with a black baby!

Don't you remember?

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #20

46. From states that will never go Dem in the first place. Fail. nt

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #46

72. They will never go dem??

They went for Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996! Forgot about that already, did you? EPIC FAIL. :rofl:

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #72

130. With the help of Ross Perot. nt.

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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #46

74. But you were sooo proud of MS ! Another state that won't go blue.

But it is different when its Obama isn't it? Please.

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #74

105. I thought you were leaving, saracat. Didn't you post an OP to that effect?

Anyway, I was happy about states like MS, GA, UT, etc., because they racked up Obama's primary delegate score, not because I thought they were factors in the General. Silly Hillbot, I can make a distinction between a Primary victory and a General opportunity. Apparently, you and your candidate cannot. Not my problem. :hi:

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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #105

108. Soon , soon.

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #108

111. Now, now.

Buh bye. :hi:

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #111

123. Little rude don't you think?

damn it, silly partisan, in november we will need everybody to counter the republican dirty tricks

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #123

128. Not in the mood for the petulance right now.

Especially when they're flinging crap like "Obama can't WIN (fill in state/voter bloc)!!" It would help if they'd stop acting smugly convinced that he can't win those voter blocs, and act like they want to help him win them. Considering he's likely going to be the nominee.

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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #128

132. Bye.And i don't want to help him win. See ya.Best of luck

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Wed May-07-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #132

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #141

144. Nice way to win friends... NOT

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #144

154. She probably WILL vote for McCain, either way.

Trust me, I've been through several rounds with this one. She's all but committed herself to McCain if Obama takes the nomination. Do a search on her posts!

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #154

155. Five stages of grieving

read on it

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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #154

157. That is untrue. I have never said I would vote for McCain.

I have said I would vote for the Democrat of my choice. I am done with you.

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #157

159. Right, so you will write in a Democrat other than Obama.

IOW, voting for McCain! It's not that big of a deal, since you're in AZ, but still. Just go away like you promised you would. *sigh*

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #159

161. leave her alone

time... that is what many people need... TIME

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:45 AM Response to Reply #161

163. She's had PLENTY of time.

She's been carping for several months now. Seriously, I understand what you're saying but you're directing your sympathy at an undeserving recipient. She announced like 6 hours ago that she was leaving DU. Yet she's still here. Trust me, she'll be here tomorrow. And the day after.

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #163

166. And by that logic in November, she will quietly vote for the DEMOCRATIC nominee

like many others... including ME

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #166

173. Quietly? If only.....

Sheesh.

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #132

142. Just as petulant in your part

USSC... that is all I can tell you Go away, grieve, do what you need to do, but in November, do as I told you... hold nose and vote

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #132

153. Good for you. Enjoy those reproductive rights while you still can.

After you help get McCain elected, your uterus belongs to the Federal Government.

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #128

140. Your post was petulance, pure petulance

people need time to grieve Get it now? You will need them in November.., and if you think you don't. you have not been paying attention to the last seven years starting with Florida 2000 THINK USSC

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #140

150. And I'm sure they'd be as magnanimous as you think I should be.

Not. Anyway, I haven't been hard on Hillary supporters at all tonight. Haven't posted on any of their threads, nor have I put up my own OP gloating. I don't believe in it and I don't see the point. I posted to saracat because she's a particularly annoying Obama-basher. Do a search on her to see how vindictive she is. Basically, she's an Edwards supporter who blames Obama for Johnny's inability to campaign his way out of a paper bag. Not my problem and not yours. I suspect she'd be just as venemous toward Clinton as she is toward Obama if Clinton were winning right now.

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #140

151. Honestly, nadin, they should have started grieving after Super Tuesday

The fact that they have to do it now is due to pure stubbornness on their part. They will either join us or they won't -- nothing we say has any influence on them, that much is obvious. I'll tell you one thing: If Clinton voters DO abandon us, I hope McCain gets 2 supreme court appointments in his first year. I'm done defending people who are too stupid to defend themselves.

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #151

156. They have been, the reaction is a classic

ANger stage.... Some will cross lines, some will stay home I can bet most will vote in november, holding hand on nose, like I will

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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #20

145. You mean he will not get your support

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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #20

188. This is ridiculous. He won't be running against Hilary in the GE

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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #1

198. The head of the Dem party in WV just said on MSNBC last night may have well changed things in WV.

Edited on Wed May-07-08 11:27 AM by flpoljunkie If Senator Byrd were to endorse Barack Obama, that would be big, and also a nice punctuation mark for his legacy of having been a former clan member so long ago. I understand Barack Obama was very helpful to him in helping him raise funds for his last campaign for the Senate in 2006. What a legacy that would be for Senator Byrd--the man who also opposed the invasion and occupation of Iraq so strongly from the beginning!

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:24 AM Response to Original message

2. God I hope so.

I sure don't want to McCain to win.

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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #2

8. Now thats a silly post from you

I put it on your frustration. If you make those comments during the GE fight then I will be :mad:

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #8

16. Obama just can't seem to seal the deal with the base of the Democratic party.

It is frustrating that so many want to send a greyhound to the Kentucky Derby. Not gonna happen.

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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #16

22. I like to know how many of her voters in Indiana would vote for her again in GE?

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #22

23. Just the poor pregnant & barefoot "low-information" voters, right?

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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #16

55. Obama can't deal with the Dem base???

What about Hillary slamming MoveOn?

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #55

79. Can't SEAL the deal.

Read. Thanks!

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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #16

62. WV and Kentucky are the base of the democratic party?

When is the last time we won them in a presidential election?

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #62

68. The exact time that Democrats won.

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:51 AM by prodn2000 Weird, isn't it.

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #62

76. Sadly, WV was pretty solidly Democratic until just recently

They fell in love with Shrub, probably based largely on his fake "regular guy" persona and his being a born-again Christian. Gore came close in WV, but Kerry was beaten pretty soundly. The sad thing is that WV used to be pretty solidly in the Democratic base; they even voted for Dukakis in '88. The last election that those states went for the Democratic presidential candidate was Clinton in '96.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #62

81. Haha, you too??

Obama supporters must have collective amnesia when it comes to Bill Clinton's WV and KY wins in 1992 and 1996. Shows how out of touch with reality you are!

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #81

85. Are the states that Clinton carried in those elections considered part of the Democratic base?

Shit, I guess GA, CO, AZ, MT, etc. should all presumably be in our column then, right?

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #85

122. If they aren't, they damn well should be!

They have been suckered into voting with the GOP against their own self interest, while in reality the Democratic Party is their natural home. You should be doing all you can to bring them back with us, not write them off.

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #122

125. There's a difference between "writ(ing) them off" and simply being honest

and not including states that lean GOP as part of the Democratic base.

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #16

65. Working-class whites are not the Democratic base

The Democrats may look out for the interests of the white working-class far better than the Repugs, but that doesn't mean that the white working-class votes for Democrats. They are just as much swing voters as upper middle-class suburban whites are these days.

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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message

3. Rec-ing all anti-Obama threads tonite! Woot!

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Symarip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message

4. Kentucky and West Virginia

The swingiest of swing states.

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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message

5. Ok, you come back when that happens.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #5

90. I'll be here the whole time,

and I'll watch you suck it up when it happens.

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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:58 AM Original message

If you follow the path I see you heading down now, you won't be here long

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:58 AM by JVS

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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:25 AM Original message

Hillary: Red states don't count! Small states don't count!

So please come out and vote for me, little red states, and prove my electability!!

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message

6. I know this is a hard fact to grasp

but silly season is over... and bout bloody time. This particular silly season has done much damage and it is time to heal (and no, I am not an obama supporter before you say it, will hold my nose in November, firmly)

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Brundle_Fly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #6

10. nadinbrzezinski

class act.

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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #6

38. Nadine you were staying out of this race?

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:37 AM by Leopolds Ghost I absolutely can't stand Obama's anti-populist tendencies, but compared to Clinton he's like a Kennedy. I definitely prefer Obama. Actually he comes across about even with JFK policy-wise. Perhaps that'll include hostility to the Fed...

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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #38

70. Honestly policy wise there is not that much difference

between the two of them She was better on heath care, he was better on the war but not too much light between them They were both machine politicos Why I will hold nose in november, either will be better for my bottom line.... than McInsane, but I am not waiting for any radical change That is unless the economy implodes and they have no choice Tanks or keynes I guess the hope died with the 2006 election :-(

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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message

7. Dems only win 30% of the white working class vote in the GE.

Hillary is more liberal than Obama. She won't get them in the GE.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #7

37. I thought she was DLC and Obama was liberal? Where O Where are the correct talking points tonight?

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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #7

48. WHAT?!!

"hilary is more liberal than Obama"?!? No, she, "I will obliterate Iran", "I voted to bomb Iraq", "I tell lies(sniper)&pander to get ahead" (gas tax holiday).."I go on bil olliely and bob my head up and down at his bush praising", is not more liberal than Obama. Obama is for the people ..hilary is for the neocon war machine.

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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #48

61. I'm talking about social issues, AKA wedge issues.

She's just as, or more, vulnerable than Obama in that regard.

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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message

9. Wait...2 small red states?

I could have sworn those didn't count.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #9

40. In the past 20 years they went Democratic twice.

The same two times that a Democrat actually won the White House. And keep in mind, WV has TWO Democratic Senators. More than WY or ID or ME or KS or NE or UT or any other silly Republican state that the rock to your church is built on.

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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message

11. Unfortunately for Clinton....

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:32 AM by Cali_Democrat West Virginia is the only primary next week. Then the Oregon and Kentucky primaries take place the next week, on the same day. West Virginia only has 28 delegates!! Oregon will definitely go for Obama. It's hopeless for Clinton.

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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message

12. Hillary will win West Virginia in the general.

Just another 5 electoral votes we can throw in the trash if Obama is the nominee.

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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #12

28. .....

:rofl:

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #28

44. Obama won't. Not even close.

Because they are bitter. And pregnant. And barefoot. And "low-information."

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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #12

75. And if Clinton is the nominee

We can throw Virginia's, Colorado's, Nevada's, Iowa's, and North Carolina's votes out the door. In other words, I can deal with losing West Virginia if it means winning Colorado, Iowa, and Virginia at the very least.

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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #75

82. We aren't winning Virginia.

And we likely won't win Colorado.

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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #82

86. we won't win WV and KY

what's your point? CO and VA are far bigger and more likely swing states than the Dixiecrat states KY and WV

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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #86

97. West Virginia is a Democratic state.

A certain type of Democrat, a Clinton, can win the state. There is a lot more chance of WV going blue under Clinton than VA going blue under Obama. VA last went blue in 1964 while the last time WV went blue was 1996.

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #97

107. No

A state that went for the Repug by 13-percent in a race where the Democrat only lost the national popular vote 51-48% cannot be classified as a "Democratic state." Sorry. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/WV/P/00/index.html

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #107

110. Two Democratic Senators and proximity to the "rust-belt" says differently.

Maybe he should have campaigned there?

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #110

115. A state can be strongly Democratic on some levels and still be very unlikely

to vote for a Democrat on the Presidential level. AR is a good example; until recently, GA was another.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #115

119. Take states for granted, and that is what you get.

Not really that complicated.

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #119

127. Do you think Kerry campaigning more heavily could have swung a 13-point loss?

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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #107

120. 50% of the electorate in WV is Democratic.

It's a Democratic state. A candidate who portrays themself as a moderate can win the state.

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #120

124. Yeah, that G. W. Bush character certainly ran as a moderate, didn't he?

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #124

135. Maybe he showed up and asked them for their vote?

Just think if Gore had done events with Byrd & Rockefeller, we would all be asking George W. Who?

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #135

146. Gore did campaign in WV

And he came relatively close to winning. He was portrayed by the Repugs as an environmental extremist who was going to cost mine workers their jobs and couldn't overcome that characterization.

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:48 AM Response to Reply #124

164. And won 30% of the Democrats.

We can thank those DINOs, in part, for the predicament we are in. Why we should cater to them now is beyond me.

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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #107

121. 50% of the electorate in WV is Democratic.

It's a Democratic state. A candidate who portrays themself as a moderate can win the state.

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progdonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #97

167. Virginia...

You're right. Virginia's such a solid red state, what with having two Republican senators and a Republican governor. Oh, wait.... :eyes:

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #86

102. You mean those "Dixiecrat" states who went for Bill Clinton in '92 and '96?

And WV went for Dukakis in '88, mind you. You are right that we won't win WV and KY (with Obama). But with Hillary, we have a shot.

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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #102

136. Clinton won Kentucky because of Perot

There's no doubt about that. West Virginia would have been much much closer without Perot. That being said, discounting Colorado and Virginia is really dumb. Both states are trending blue and will probably elect Democrats to the Senate this year. Kerry only lost Colorado 52-47 and Virginia 54-45. These states are very much in play, and both have more EV's than Kentucky or West Virginia. Also Kentucky, West Virginia, and Arkansas are really the only 3 red states Clinton would put in play, while having to defend a whole host of states that Dems usually win comfortably. I can't wait for Obama to be going on the offensive in red states while McCain scrambles for money and some kind of enthusiasm for his candidacy.

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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #82

114. Obama is consistenly outpolling McCain in Colorado.

And it is plain foolish to discount Virginia. Mark Warner will coast to a victory in the Senate race and Tim Kaine is a popular Democratic governor. Jim Webb is the other Senator and his name is being floated for VP. If Webb gets the VP slot, then I would count on VA going Democratic. However I think that is unlikely but you can bet that all 3 of these people will be campaigning with Obama. This is the perfect chance for the Democrats to get Virginia's 13 electoral votes, and Clinton would never be able to get them. Fortunately Obama is going to be the nominee, and even if he doesn't win it, he'll sure as hell make McCain spend money there that he can't spend in Ohio or Pennsylvania or Michigan or Colorado.

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #12

139. Too bad she couldn't beat Obama in the Primary.

Maybe if you Clinton supporters hadn't acted like entitled fuckwits, the story would be different. BTW, she'd NEVER win WV in the General. She ain't Bill, and this ain't the 90s.

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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 05:00 AM Response to Reply #12

169. Obama IS the nominee

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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #12

185. in the alternate universe in which she's the candidate in the GE, maybe

maybe not. And maybe Obama will win it, and maybe not. The only thing you can know for sure about the GE is that you don't know anything about the GE for sure.

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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message

13. These Pretzels are making me thirsty

Seriously, they are.

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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message

14. LOL! I'm sure the SD's are just hinging their decision on the results of WV and KY!

So, so important, those states. About as important as Nebraska. And we in NE liked Obama.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #14

41. You're telling WV and KY they are not important?

Would you say they are in fact "shit" and "white ni**ers", like you made Kantor say in that doctored tape? Sounds like it.

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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message

15. and we WON Kentucky & W VA in '88,'92,'96,'00,'04????

:rofl:

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #15

21. 92 & 96 Yes.

The only time a Democrat won during the years you posted. Shocking.

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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #21

35. Well that's good to know.. at least we know it's possible

but, that said.. we don't really "need" those states.. they are quite welcome to join in, but if they like Mccain...then so be it :)

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #35

43. Cuz we gotz KANSAS! W00t!

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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #43

80. As a Kansas-born person, I would like to see KS turn blue

Perhaps Obama could choose Sibelius, but then KS might end up with a republican governor..

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #15

25. **********LOOK AT THE POST ABOVE MINE***********

How soon we forget.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #15

26. Yes, BILL CLINTON WON KENTUCKY AND WEST VIRGINIA IN 1992 & 1996

That's right, BILL CLINTON. Remember him? Pathetic. Shows just how little you know. :rofl: right back at ya!

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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #26

31. lol Bill Clinton had charisma and a platform of hope. Hillary has none of those things.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #31

33. Wow...

What does that have to do with the claim that Democrats don't win WV & KY?

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #26

51. Bill Clinton lucked out by having strong 3rd party candidates on the ballot. Both times.

Didn't win a majority of Americans, either time. Not to slam him, because I think he was a fairly good President. Just stating the facts.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #51

60. Yeah...Perot TOTALLY ROCKED WV & KY!!!

:eyes:

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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #60

148. See 148 below

Jeez I was only born in '88 and I realize how obvious it is that Clinton won these places because of Perot. Just take a minute to googlefy it.

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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #26

147. Remeber that little man named Perot?

Clinton would not have won Kentucky if not for Perot. In '92 he beat HW 45-41, with Perot get 14%. In '96 Clinton beat Dole 46-45 with Perot getting 9%. So yeah, Hillary could win there assuming she gets a heavy dose of charisma and manages to talk in a Southern accent without sounding like a pandering fool. IOW, not happening.

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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #15

69. Clinton won Kentucky twice and Dukakis also carried WV while Clinton won it big.

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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #69

84. There is always hope.. and McCain is NOT a republican dream candidate

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:55 AM by SoCalDem fingers crossed :)

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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message

17. Pathetic.

You can do better then this.

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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message

18. OK.

But he's still our nominee.

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gbrenna (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message

19. West Virginia and Kentucky?

Hillary lost the last chance to make a 'big state argument' to the supers. It's over. We can win in November. Think of the country, we can't wait four more years for Democrat in the White House.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #19

32. That's right, West Virginia and Kentucky

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:34 AM by Freedom Train The states who went for Bill Clinton in the General in 1992 and 1996, and which Hillary also has a shot at, but which Obama would never win.

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ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:31 AM Response to Original message

24. and he will destroy clinton here in oregon. n/t

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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:32 AM Response to Original message

27. What the hell? Hillary will withdraw .. she cancelled her

appearances for tomorrow.

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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:33 AM Response to Original message

29. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just sayin'

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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:33 AM Response to Original message

30. Should I bother putting you on ignore

or just count on Hillary dropping out in the next 24 hours... Hmmmm....

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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:35 AM Response to Original message

34. Most likely he will, and Hillary might stay in and stay positive to gain those wins

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:35 AM by bhikkhu It would be a nice gesture to those two states, and a good opportunity for her to end things on a high note. The numbers don't support the rest of the post, and we do have set of nomination rules based on numbers... relax, there is no rush to things. Here's a tune I have been listening to this evening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD78i6eoGkM&feature=related

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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:37 AM Response to Original message

39. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. n/t

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:38 AM Response to Original message

42. Tell me, Einstein: when's the last time a Democrat won the blue collar vote?

Bill Clinton sure as hell didn't.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #42

45. ???

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:42 AM by prodn2000 Really? Are you sure? http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/elections/natl.exit.poll/index1.html

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #42

50. Last time? 12 years ago, when *CLINTON* won it!

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:46 AM by Freedom Train How's that, Einstein?? The working class voters should be the base of OUR party. Without a large portion of their vote going for us, we can kiss our chances in the GE goodbye.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #50

53. dupe

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:45 AM by Freedom Train n/t

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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #53

54. Bill is not Hillary. Hillary is uncharismatic and elitist.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #54

59. Uncharismatic? No. Elitist? You've gotten her mixed up with Obama.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #59

64. ARUGULA for ALL!!!

The Obama USRDA plan! United Suckers Ruining Democrats with Arrogance.

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Wed May-07-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #59

66. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

 

gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #59

96. Hillary has charisma?

I must have missed it while I was dozing off to one of her speeches. And neither Obama or Clinton is elitist. Anybody who thinks Obama is an elitist because he stated the obvious about working class voters in this country needs to chill. Also, Oregon is the biggest state left in the primary and Obama will win it by double digits. That will be enough to make it MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for Clinton to reach 2025. If Obama only gets 1/3rd of the delegates in Kentucky and West Virginia, then just splitting Oregon's delegates will be more than enough, as I believe he only needs 38 more to clinch. Well he clinched it when he won Wisconsin, but alas.

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #50

78. A non-incumbent Dem hasn't won it for decades. Very few Dems do at any level

And of course, what you really mean is the white blue collar vote. Of course, it doesn't matter. I don't know why I'm talking to you as if you're not totally full of shit. President Barack Obama. You should practice saying that in front of a mirror.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #78

87. Bill Clinton was an Incumbent in 1992?

Edited on Wed May-07-08 01:56 AM by prodn2000 Really? How does that work? Math?

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #87

92. Clinton won white blue collar workers in 1992? That's news to me

Of course, Hillbots don't know that much about math.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #92

95. I am pretty sure that he did. Where were you?

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #95

99. I bet a week ago you were "pretty sure" Hillary still had a shot at the nomination.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #99

103. Is your sarcasm detector in the shop?

Clinton OBVIOUSLY won the working-class vote. And Catholics. And union-members. Remember those people? They elected JFK.

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #103

106. Most of the people who elected JFK are dead

Most of the people who voted for Hillary a close to it. Obama's bringing in the young and educated voters who had given up on politics.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #78

112. "President John McCain"

Practice THAT. Or get in line behind Hillary. Your choice.

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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #112

134. McCain can't even win 80% of his own party's vote in the primaries

Despite the fact that he's the only candidate still in the running.

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #112

143. My choice is to go somewhere else and talk to sane people

Enjoy your stay here. You only have a few more weeks that your bullshit will be tolerated.

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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message

47. It doesn't matter, it's over...

the math isn't there for Hillary.

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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:42 AM Response to Original message

49. Balls.

If you think those people who won't vote for Obama in the primary are going to vote for McCain in the general, you are kidding yourself.

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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:44 AM Response to Original message

52. I thought Hillary wasn't counting the red states?

:rofl: Don't be a hater. Hillary took a big hit tonight.

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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:45 AM Response to Original message

56. Clinton loses to Mcsame in KY by 2. OBAMA LOSES KY BY **34**

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/kentucky.html What could *possibly* account for that? That difference is jaw-dropping. (hint: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/192341.php )

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #56

58. Who gives a shit? KY was never going to go blue anyway.

Trust me, those "Clinton voters" would obediently vote for McCain in November no matter what.

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #58

126. Just like they "obediently" voted for Bush I and Dole in '92 and '96?

And in the case of WV, Bush I in '88? Very obedient of them....

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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #56

63. That 2% loss is a real outlier, isn't it

The previous four polls show a 9-10% margin. I'd be suspicious of using that one poll to point to anything.

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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #56

77. Hillary will win KY in the GE

you must be new to American politics :rofl:

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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #77

91. Kentucky is known for its progessive, liberal politics...

hello? is this thing on? :rofl:

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #56

116. And 2 points is within the MoE

Showing that Hillary has a CLEAR SHOT at winning, while Obama, as I said, would get C-R-E-A-M-E-D.

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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #116

162. Obama is up 46-43 in Colorado

While Clinton is down 50-36. Colorado has 9 EV's to Kentucky's 8. Obama ties McCain at 47 in North Carolina while Hillary consistently loses in double digits to Mccain there. That's 15 EV's that Obama could at least threaten while Clinton wouldn't have a chance. She has tiny leads on McCain in Connecticut while Obama is crushing McCain there. CONNECTICUT! Right in Hillary's backyard (at least the one in New York.) Jeez can you imagine a Democrat having to spend money defending CT, especially with Lieberman campaigning for McCain. It's the same story in Washington, Wisconsin, and Oregon with Clinton barely even maintaining leads there. But of course this is pure conjecture as OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE.

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NewHampshireDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:46 AM Response to Original message

57. Keep moving those goal posts

So now the path to the White House goes through WV and KY? Give me a break. I also will note that your argument ignores the fact that HRC at the top of the ticket puts more BLUE states into play than does Obama. Kos has written about this extensively, such as in this post: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/26/155322/224/456/503986

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #57

131. That's simply not true

And additionally I might add that Obama will be a drag on the down-ticket races in a way Hillary will not.

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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #131

165. I've heard it all now.

I directly spoke to a Democrat running for Congress in Virginia's 10th District against a longtime Republican incumbent, who said that a Clinton candidacy would kill his chances of getting elected, while Obama would help him immensely. That's why he endorsed Obama, as well as most Virginia Democrats have AFAIK. Hillary would be an absolute drag on Senate and House races with her high unpopularity and polarization, plus what would be her 17-state campaign. Obama will be running a 50-state campaign, and this well help Dems everywhere.

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hillsidestrangler (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:51 AM Response to Original message

71. Good...That will make it

all the sweeter when Hillary is utterly destroyed in Oregon, Montana and South Dakota. he now has a 700,000+ lead in the popular vote, a lead in pledged delegates, and a moral victory in White working class Indiana. By next Tuesday it is likely that he will be leading in super delegates too. Game, Set, Match.

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:52 AM Response to Original message

73. You seem bitter, Freedom Train. nt

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #73

89. Maybe there's a gun or some religion he can cling to.

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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #89

94. Yikes! I hope not.

Hopefully, the gods of DU have sufficient privacy protections in place so that we won't be the targets of the OP's wrath. :scared:

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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #73

133. Yeah, I'm from rural PA after all,

so of course I'm bitter. Because Obama said so, and that makes it true!! :sarcasm:

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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:55 AM Response to Original message

83. Not a chance - Obama WILL take both states and Oregon as well...It's over for Hillary!

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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #83

100. Tell us how he'll win the GE

He can't.

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #100

104. That's your only hope to get your queen into the White House

However, he's going to wipe the floor with McSame, and you know it.

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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #104

129. Our hope should be to put a Dem in the WH

helping Obama win the primary isn't enough. At least it isn't for Democrats. You may feel otherwise.

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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #100

181. Obama clearly is the better candidate...otherwise, why did Hillary lose?

She lost. Even with the ever-powerful Clinton Machine and the complicit mainstream media, she got her ass handed to her. It's over. If you want to campaign for McCain, leave this fucking board and get the fuck out of the way.

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mathewsleep (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:56 AM Response to Original message

88. so the fuck what?

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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #88

93. Exactly.

It's over. Why keep pushing this?

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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 01:58 AM Response to Original message

98. He can't carry enough states for an electoral victory

Forget the must-win battleground states like OH, PA, MO, FL, possibly even MI. And forget the south. Clinton has a chance of winning Texas, according to the latest match ups against McCain, but Obama can forget it.

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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #98

101. Especially with all the bitter Hillbots campaigning for McCain

Have you sent him a donation yet?

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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #98

149. Yeah, neither Democratic candidate is going to win TX

I'd go as far as to say that any poll that shows them losing by less than double digits is questionable; probably any that shows them losing by less than 15-percent is questionable as well. And McCain isn't even that popular here...

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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:04 AM Response to Original message

109. It's over.

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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:06 AM Response to Original message

113. She almost has to get out now

Wes Clark is close enough to HRC that when he starts urging her to get out it's over. But it's really been over for a few months now, Obama routed her all of February and she never could make that up. And because of her baggage, in the end, he's a better nominee. Plus she'd cause herself problems because she consistently tries to outRepublican Republicans. She can get away with is usually with Dems but she'd never beat McCain with that 3am phone call stuff. Her negatives are way too high, I think she'd beat McCain, but Obama will spend most of the summer routing him. Sure the numbers are close and all now, but those are always irrelevant at this point, and he held strong through all the negative attacks and two horrible weeks and she still couldn't stop him. McCain won't either.

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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:09 AM Response to Original message

117. Here we go again.......

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mahina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:09 AM Response to Original message

118. ahem

not this blue collar working class voter. Or all those elitists in NC, SD, SC, Nebraska, Oklahoma. Come on.

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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #118

138. Oklahoma? Clinton won OK.

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Wed May-07-08 02:18 AM Response to Original message

137. Deleted sub-thread

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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:28 AM Response to Original message

152. you mean Obama will not be able to connect with black working class voters?

is that correct?

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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 02:40 AM Response to Original message

160. He may well do so but delegates are low at this point so little difference would result.

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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 04:59 AM Response to Original message

168. It's already over. Hillary lost.

The SD are not going to take away Obama's victory and give it to hillary.

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MrCTLib (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 05:02 AM Response to Reply #168

171. ....

He will also lose by 800,000 to 900,000 in Puerto Rico according to a Democratic Strategist.

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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #171

183. Puerto Rico is really important when it comes to the general election

:crazy: The blue collar vote there will help us a lot.

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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 05:07 AM Response to Original message

172. Nope, Dems know WV and KY pretty much ALWAYS go red in November

The path to the nomination does not go through those states, and SDs will remember that, plus the fact that Hillary is TOXIC with Republicans, has the highest negatives of all three candidates, and got an artificial "Limbaugh boost" from Operation Chaos that was probably the only reason she won IN and got the margins she did in PA, TX, and OH. Obama gets Indepenendents, true Republican crossovers, and brings in NEW voters. The SDs will remember that. MI will never count as-is for Hillary if they want to keep the Democratic Party together.

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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:15 AM Response to Original message

174. Too bad only big states matter. No one cares about racist red states anyway, right?

Careful moving those goalposts, you'll throw your back out.

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GihrenZabi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:18 AM Response to Original message

175. THIS is the kind of nonsense which gets Hillary supporters shat on...

...here on DU. Not all of them ask for it, but the OP does in spades. It's over. Let it die. Even if Rules & Bylaws seats the FL and MI delegates as is, she STILL is losing by 100 pledged delegates and 150,000 voters. She can't overcome those margins. Please admit the math and stop. It's over. Obama won. Now it's time to get McCain. The sooner this Dem Primary ends, the sooner the media spotlight hits McCain HARD.

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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:18 AM Response to Original message

176. i have heard this for a couple months. YET obama continually minimizes

even his losses... like texas penn and ind. and those along with ohio are the states that limbaugh has had the repugs help hillary out. your post is a guess and from the past, an inaccurate guess.

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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message

177. There is a lot of apathy with the poor and working class in KY..

They don't give a shit about this election. Most will not bother to vote. Which means the bigger cities of Louisville and Lexington, the black voters and the educated voters will vote in larger numbers, which might make KY much closer than some people and pollsters now think?

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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message

178. So there are no blue color workers in Iowa, Virginia, Carolinas, Colorado, Georgia, Missouri, LA?

Heck, I've been to all of those states and there certainly are blue color workers...all states that Obama kicked ASS in... As for the Rules and Bylaws NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES its own party has made, don't count on them allowing Hillary Clinton to cheat her way into the nomination. Just saying.

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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message

179. The Clinton brain wants it both ways

They don't want Barack Obama's small red state wins to count, but OH MY GOD, WV and KY are game changers!! You've got to chose one or the other.

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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message

180. This ridiculous post makes me want to change my Steeler avatar.

But I won't. You can never turn your back on the Steelers. :)

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malta blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message

182. I think once it comes down to the GE, Obama will fair

rather well with blue-collar voters. Hillary's "populist" message is resonating with them right now, but she is NOT a populist, not by any stretch of the imagination.

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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message

184. We'll see. I suspect she'll win but by much less than the polls would currently suggest.

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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message

186. Yawn. The people of Wisconsin disagree

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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message

187. Oh noes!

Your 'logic' is fuxored.

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livetohike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message

189. Two words - Senator Byrd

If he comes out for Obama - look out.

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pdx_prog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message

190. He will probably lose both but....

Is that a banjo I hear playing? I believe Democrats are going to rally around whoever the candidate is. Blue collars won't vote for him, college grads won't vote for her......its a load of crap. The only people that won't vote for him in the GE are the racists and the stupid. I'm in Oregon.....my ballot is already completed and mailed.....

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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message

191. As Kentucky goes, so GOES the Nation

:crazy:

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nyccitizen (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message

192. Why does it continue to go unacknowledged that...

Even with MI/FL seated, Hillary will still lose? Her supporters seem to think once they're seated, she will be on top, but she would still be over 100 delegates behind.

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DMorgan (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #192

196. Math is a bitch for Hillary! eom

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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message

193. Were you dropped on your head as a child

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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message

194. If that were going to be true, Obama would have lost badly in IN.

Hillary will win the primaries in KY and WV unless she drops out before then, but it won't change the fact that Obama is our nominee and will win in November.

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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message

195. It's full speed to the White House....

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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed May-07-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message

197. so?

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