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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:04 PM
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"If we had the rules the Republicans have, I would already be the nominee"
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:21 PM by CreekDog
:banghead:

(on edit, it's funny that I don't even need to name the person who said it...) :rofl:
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:04 PM
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1. Then, by all means run as a repubican
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:06 PM
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4. well she is
this is just the admission. :eyes:
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:05 PM
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2. Sure, that logic will win her over the superdelegates
Or maybe she should just switch over to the GOP, since they have it so much easier...
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:05 PM
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3. Ah, the Goldwater Girl speaks
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:06 PM
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5. You are on the wrong side of the political highway, cross over please ....
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:10 PM
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6. well, that is true - the Republicans model their primary
after the general election - winner take all.

A system that seems to have served them pretty well, since they've been winning a lot more general elections than the Democrats have these last few decades.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:12 PM
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8. The word you are looking for is "stolen"
That is all.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:24 PM
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20. does it matter? Bush is still President
and you're post doesn't address what I said. Wouldn't it make more sense to model our primaries after the general election in the future?

Winning the general election is what this is all for.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:27 PM
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25. You claimed the repukess have won more elections the last few decades
They stole the last two.

Then we had clinton for 2 more before that.

Then they had three in a row.

We'd be ahead if not for thefts.

Period.

Our method of choosing our nominee has no bearing on whether that cnadidate is more or less likely to have their election stolen.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:43 PM
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35. well, starting with the Reagan era and counting the Kerry loss
as legit (which I do), it's 6-3 for the Republicans.

But whatever...
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:17 PM
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10. so we should implement that system retroactively for this contest?
what do you think?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:22 PM
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17. of course not
but, I do think our entire process needs to be reevaluated.

Modeling our primaries after the general election, the winning of which is the purpose of this whole exercise, isn't a bad idea, IMO.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:23 PM
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19. what about this cycle? stick with the rules we have?
:shrug:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:19 PM
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16. Gee, it must be the way they choose their candidates...
Nothing to do with the breakdown of the New Deal Coalition or the emergence of social issues into the political dialogue. Nope it's those winner-take-all primaries.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:27 PM
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23. what is your objection to winner take all primaries?
doesn't it make sense to model our primaries after the general election, since winning the GE is the point of all this.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:32 PM
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31. The electoral college is incredibly undemocratic
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:33 PM by Hippo_Tron
And gives candidates the incentive to only compete in "swing states". Proportional representation is more reflective of the will of the popular vote, which is the most democratic. I would do away with delegates altogether and just have a national primary election if it were up to me. But proportional is more likely to reflect the will of the popular vote than winner-take-all.

Modeling our primaries after the general election won't inherently give us more electable candidates, either. You're still dealing with only people who vote in democratic primaries, and democratic primary voters aren't the general electorate.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:46 PM
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36. The two are totally unrelated.
We could pick our nominee by having a pie bake off.

Electoral college maps and tallies mean nothing as to the viability of our candidates in any given year.

Convince me otherwise.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:11 PM
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7. Yeah, the GOP way works so well that they're still protest voting.
I'd rather deal with a pain in the ass primary that represents Democracy than a coronation primary that represents Republic(an)s.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:13 PM
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9. Translation
"You motherf**kers! This was supposed to be my nomination! Mine! Mine! Mine!!!"
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:17 PM
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11. If
ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a great Christmas.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:18 PM
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12. that Christmas thing reminds me of another Hillary quote:
"as far as I know"
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:18 PM
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13. Yiiieeeeeek!!!!
Why not run as a Republican then....

:shrug:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:22 PM
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18. The question isn't "why isn't she running as a Republican?"
the question is "why IS she running as a Republican?" :eyes:
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:28 PM
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27. beats me,
I could have sworn she was but then again 'IF
my aunt has a dick she could be my uncle'


:evilgrin:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:36 PM
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33. The last ime the Clinton dynasty was in power we lost a lot of Dem seats.
I will never forget that and it is my fundamental reason for choosing Obama.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:19 PM
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14. hilary's always the victim never the victor.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:19 PM
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15. If I had Bill Gates money, I'd be rich already.
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

No wonder Hillary is such a loser, she can't deal with reality!
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:24 PM
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21. And if wishes were horses...
you know the rest.

Hillary's statement (or Bill's, I've heard him say the same thing) just about the most childish whine I've ever heard stated as part of a presidential nomination campaign.

It's really... just inane.


That's all.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:28 PM
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26. Hillary is the most electable when as a Democrat, she uses this as a talking point?
give me a break. :eyes:
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:26 PM
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22. And she's right. And if the Repukes had our wacko rules, McCain and Huck would STILL be at it.
Beureaucracy is destiny! "Call to Convention" (the "Rules") -- Call to Destruction rather! Thanks a lot, Dr. Dean!

There's a malpractice suit in here somewhere...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:27 PM
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Fuck that
Terry Mac was more involved in writing the fucking rules and you know it. Want someone to blame....blame him.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:27 PM
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24. Fuck that
Terry Mac was more involved in writing the fucking rules and you know it. Want someone to blame....blame him.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:28 PM
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28. Dean didn't institute proportional representation
or do you just have a thing against Dean?
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:29 PM
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29. If I were the Green Lantern
I'd totally get chicks. Fantasy is fun!
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jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:32 PM
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30. I was blown away that she said this- I can hardly think of a worse
line of rhetoric for her to choose.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:33 PM
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32. Next time she can run as a repuke, maybe with rat Joe Lieberman as campaign adviser.

I am sure Rush Limpballz would welcome the opportunity to help out.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:37 PM
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34. As John Stewart addressed this ........
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:38 PM by doublethink
"So what it comes down to is you would win the nomination if democrats were republicans"

at the end of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DJjp9Bi3f0

Epic fail Hillary, epic fail ....
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:58 PM
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37. No you wouldn't Hillary, and here's why
You wouldn't have had a super delegate advantage to make you look like you were ahead, and you would have got nothing in Iowa or SC; Obama would have built up a big lead over you before Super Tuesday.

I can't believe she keeps trotting out this BS. Go run for the GOP nomination if you like their system so much, Hillary.
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