LAKE COUNTY

Did what they did so she didn't have another 10 million dollar night.

I might be a working class voter, but I know what's going on. Party "A" democrats want to change Washington and hope that change 'trickles down'.

Sounds a lot like the Republican families that many of party "A" defected from. Trickle down does not work economically. It won't help our government. You can't just change some random processes in Washington and the politics that allows you to get there and expect local judges to retire or people to be nice to eachother. What I see is the equivalent of Obama using the fact he that he doesn't know as much about our government as Hillary does to his advantage... "he'll do it his way". That's what "Dubya" did. It's Silly.

You realize that many workers vote democrat strictly for economic interests, and that we're not even close to giving up a shot at a health care. Barack will trust the experts, who say it can't be done in the first year. Hillary will try, even if she fails. We vote in Bloc. We'll vote for her as long as she works for us. She is a transactional leader as both Jefferson and FDR were.

And transformational leaders, well, that's Ghandi, that's JFK. They create broad sweeping reforms and deliver us from opression, yay for that. But how does that benefit the working class? How does that put food on the table? I'd like to see the Indian that got rich by expelling the Britians. What's the point? Well, I'm saying GWB won't be there for him to expel! We need his mess cleaned up. That takes skills, not ideas.

I'll take FDR over JFK any day. He got more done for us than any president I can think of. It's been too long since we had a transactional Democrat who actually did something for us. And I know that Bill Clinton was a party "A" democrat, but we both know that Hillary is for the worker. She has earned my vote, and she IS a democrat.

Many want to write her name in on the ballots. Some will vote their socially conservative views in spite of economic interest, as republican blocs do. Either way, the problem is clear: We have a party B democrat in the race that party A won't let us have. It is going to take a lot of convincing from Obama that our candidate is neither humiliated nor leaves empty handed (as you would love to see) to bring us to vote at all.

Try again.

If you have any, which I doubt. This is just grumbling.

It's my opinion. That's why there is no link.
This is not a breaking news message board.
Opinions are allowed.

My opinion: last time Clinton won a state early, and made 10 million dollars. This time, we would have known instantly and donated before going to sleep unless a large Obama county counted it's absentee ballots without releasing a single vote (which would have enabled us to call the state). I will still donate today, because I see what's going on.

Across the Internet, people with musicians as their avatars are generally idiots. Lennon and Morrison are the biggest offenders, followed by Marley. Surprisingly, Hendrix people are usually fairly intelligent. Regardless, it's always good to see my theory bolstered.

MY theory MY intelligence. You're just mad because I called you out on chess (ie a match of actual intelligence). Of course it's intelligent for you to vote Obama if you expect to post as much as you do around here. I can barely stand the flame I'm getting now from expressing my opinion...

is a great theory by the way. Subjective, but oh so intelligent. I'd publish if I were you.

how do they rank

So you say now that they called the results late so people would go to bed and not donate to Clinton. It's an interesting theory, but her margin of victory had already fallen to 4% before Lake county called in anything. She wasn't looking set for a big win no matter what happened, and she'd also gotten whopped in North Carolina. That's why I don't find your theory very credible.

It's up to do you who you donate to and why, but I'm amazed you'd do so after the news today that she's funneled another $6.4 million of her own (well, Bill's) cash into her campaign. Why do you think she didn't reveal that before PA and IN?

herself.

Gary is all black and Hammond is all white. They are segregated and hate each other. Dead people vote in both municipalities. It is like the northern version of New Orleans.

Gary is Obama turf, 75-25, Hammond was apparently 75-25 Clinton since the mayor of Hammond got the mayor of Gary to release returns first, and then Hammond returns apparently swamped those, so that the final tally from Lake increased Clinton's lead. Suspicious?

I've always thought those stories are a bit over-inflated, but maybe I'm wrong. Though I did notice it was the mayor of Hammond who was having a conniption fit over high school students in Gary going to early voting as part of their school civics program, and blaming the Obama campaign even though they've been doing this for years (I suppose that just proves Obama has been planning this all along...or something).

Taking race relations back 20 years.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

African Americans, White Workers, Asians, and Hispanic voting blocs all vote Democrat.
Obama has one, She has three. Who's campaign is race based?

She has three: That's by definition a more broad coalition of voters.

Sheesh.

at least you agree

And please don't get the idea that I'm one of those latte liberal types I keep hearing about. I'm 37, self-educated, and pretty poor right now due to some problems in my industry and my personal life (which I don't expect Obama or the government to solve for me).

But If she drops out and something bad happens, the anti Obama vote goes directly to
McCain rather than Clinton. If not for lobbying, why would Obama oppose a cap on interest rates?? It certainly isn't very good for someone in you or my situation. When you want regulation, you need a warrior. She is the best thing I have going for me in this election.

Realistically, nobody pays >30% interest except on payday loans or because they're badly badly delinquent. I don't want to get into a long to-and-fro about economics in this thread because I could write pages on it - I'm just going to agree to differ here because it's late and I'm tired.

What about all of those educated White Folks? They don't count either.

I'm 28. I'm college educated.
I just happened to have bad things happen in my life, so I'm a restaurant worker.
I identify with those who don't have insurance because I don't have any. I also know enough about the system to identify the candidate that is most in my economic interests. I see a lot of red herrings thrown around by people that just don't like Hillary Clinton, and that's about it.

:scared: :crazy:

Clinton did well among Asians in CA because she had name recognition back on Super Tueday whereas Obama didn't, but a lot has changed. My in-laws entire family (Vietnamese) are in the tank for Obama now - I'd like to claim credit, but I don't speak vietnamese, this is mostly between them. I live in the most Asian neighborhood in San Francisco, a town where Asians are the biggest ethnic group, and Obama is hot shit here. He's not going to have a problem pulling this demo in the GE. They love his stand on immigration, taxation, and particularly education.

I think you're kind of taking the Latino demographic for granted as well. Obama stuck to his guns when he was criticized over the driving license issue and has had straight talk on immigration since the start. McCain can point to his bill last year, but doing so will cost him a GOP vote for every Latino vote he gets (the nativists like to call him 'Juan McShamnesty'). Obama can talk about immigration with Ted Kennedy standing next to him.

Lake County counted their results according to the methods set out by the election board, whole precincts at a time. It's not their fault they had 11,000 early votes/absentee ballots to count, or that some of their polling places ran out of ballots and had to stay open later.

Hillary wasn't going to have a $10 million dollar day no matter when the results came in. For that matter, I don't believe she had a $10 million dollar day after Pennsylvania if you don't count her own loans.

I talked to a lady that worked the Obama campaign there.

She said that she would email how everything went there asap.
Not sure what you believe happened in Lake County.

We just found that out today.

Chuck Todd says the mayor of the all-white town of Hammond threatened the Mayor of Gary (80% black) to release returns first, and whoever released returns first, dead folks would be added to the rolls in the opposing city to make up the difference. They are notorious for that in Lake County.

:scared: :nuke:

M420, you said you're a restaurant worker. I've done that too (as a short-order cook, in my case). It's hard work, and it needs an efficient, well-oiled team to function effectively and make a buck every night. To me, Clinton is like someone that opened a fashionable new restaurant with great decor, hot location and so on, but started getting beat by the cheap-yet-cheerful place across the road. Now she's changing the menu nightly and spreading rumors about how you'll get food poisoning if you eat at O's diner.

Wanna have it both ways, don't you?

The 2000 Census has Hammond at 62% White. That's hardly "All-White". If you want "All White" try Cedar Lake or there-abouts.

As a kid, his family was on food stamps for a time while his mother was finishing school.
This man has working class experiences and working class values in his blood. Don't be fooled by the propaganda to the contrary. Read the TRUTH.

Hillary = NAFTA, WalMart Board, Rose Law Firm, PAC $, Lobbyist $ = NOT THE BEST FRIEND OF THE WORKING CLASS

Ahem

INSURANCE PREDATORY RATES ABOVE 30% NOT THE FRIEND OF THE WORKING CLASS.

We know are friends. We are Betting on them. Your guy will beat himself.

Wanna try again? :eyes:

You're the one who can't read. His mother was on food stamps while finishing GRAD SCHOOL.

Try again? Call triage, ma, she burned herself.

:crazy: :silly:

Barack was "on food stamps while their mother was finishing school"

I said finishing GRAD school, which she paid for partly by going onto food stamps, and you corrected me as if I were talking about Barack's education. Keep digging. I refuse to explain your own posts to you any longer.

I'll even give you the last word:

Pehaps you may consider stepping away from the bong? :smoke:

That tactic is called deflection.

Yes. No question ! McCain will continue the Bush war policy and continue filling body bags. If Obama is the nominee, he will wind the war down on a clear timeline (so will Hillary, but it's over for her). It's a life and death vote, plain and simple. Non-Dem-Nominee voters are voting for filling body bags in Iraq indefinitely, plain and god damn simple. And YES, food stamps while finishing school to provide for her family with enhanced credentials. GOOD reason to damn well need some public assistance. And by the way, in case you haven't heard, he's half WHITE . Just as WHITE as he is black. In fact, he was much more part of a white upbringing than black. We can be divided and keep up this tit for tat, or start rallying around the fair and square nomineed and focus on beat the ReThugs.

But that's all you have is indirect responsibility and blame to offer me. You already hate my candidate for her vote while loving the endorsements of others that voted for the war. Get real.

He's the least corporate candidate we've ever had. I don't think Truman came up as rough as Obama did. I think too many people listen to O'Reilly and Hannity, I really do. If we don't counter them, straight to the working people, we're going to continue to have problems.

And you think he knows more about how to get regulation on these corporations passed? HA! 30% Interest rates too low of a cap for Obama?

He said he wasn't going to vote for anything that would allow up to a 30% cap. It was too high, as was a 29% cap, 28% and on down. Do you know Arkansas used to have a 10% cap? He isn't going to vote for shit and tell you it's ice cream.

And you found a snarky way to say "I don't like your title"

well, I can't say whether I like it or I dislike it. Commenting on the multi-paragraph logical vacuum above would be like going to an art gallery and attempting to critique a ham sandwich someone left on a bench.

"My parents weren't Republican"
as the problem you have with the Rant. Anyhow, since you criticize SO instructively, I edited for cohesiveness, adding minor explanations without altering the overall "I don't like party A" rant's tone.

1. You are currently drunk.
2. You are currently stoned.
3. You are mentally ill.
4. You are extraordinarily unintelligent.


I'm betting and hoping that it's #2--especially given your choice of name and avatar. However, if you deny the first three, it might be time to accept the fourth.

I donated to site (DU) that is full of elitist rhetoric. You think I'm stupid? Maybe you have a case. If the shoe fits, right? Modus fucking ponens! Good. Let's play a chess game if you're so smart.

If you don't think an African American who had to take student loans and was raised by a single mother will work for the little guy you are completely delusional.

Bill Clinton didn't do anything directly to help the little guy. He stopped the crazy borrowing and spending on the military, thus strengthening the dollar, thus strengthening the economy and helping with job creation. Do you think Hillary would do this? She sure hasn't run on a platform like that.

But at my lunch table Thomas Edison, James Thurber, Ghadi,
Harpo Marx, and Georgia O'Keef will play the spoons and dance.

If there is a table left for you to have lunch on.

When will the madness end?

On FDR and JFK, that's not a fair fight, as one had three-plus terms in office and the other had less than one.

If your insinuation is that there was tricky work in Lake County, Indiana yesterday night, you'll need evidence to demonstrate the need for concern.

Absent that evidence, your post doesn't make much of a case.

Why would you compare FDR and JFK in any case? The two eras could not be more astonishingly different.

JFK= transformational. FDR= transactional.
Barack = transformational.
Hillary = transactional.

When you don't like what you're reading, you tend to misunderstand it, I guess.

The original post is not very clear.

And I reject your grid of adjectives for those 4 folks.

It's a coloring book caption instead of a complex, nuanced description and context of profiles.

the rest of us will have moved on ..Join in or stay where you are..your choice :)

She was not going to have another 10 million dollar day unless she donated 9.5 of it

If you like Hillary better than Obama, that's fine and I respect that. But Obama will likely be the nominee and you will have a choice between him and McCain. I'm voting for Obama because it's in my best interest and in the best interest of my country. I hope you will too.