I'm not one of the very eloquent posters here and I've stayed out of GD primaries because I felt it

had become something we at DU should be ashamed of. But here I am tonight after watching John McCain on the Daily Show and Bill Moyers on Democracy Now and after listening to the pundits talk about the Democratic Primaries of Indiana and North Carolina.

Two things that stand out for me from what I heard were John McCain's ability to look and sound like a jolly harmless little elf and Bill Moyers saying that Hillary can only advance herself by hurting Obama in some way that will ultimately help McCain in November.

The talking heads were all saying that Hillary cannot win by the numbers and it's up to the super delegates to either go with the majority of voters or take the nomination away from the winner of the majority of votes. What ever happens it will hurt like hell those who's candidate loses and they may drop out of the effort of putting a Dem in the White House altogether which we know will also help McCain. Nothing he would like better than to see 25% of us stay home in November.

Putting this together I can see that if this primary season goes on much longer more people will believe that McCain is a harmless little elf they could live with as president and a large part of our party will stay away from the polls in November.

So I would like to see a concerted effort here in GD Primaries to stop the fighting. Call for a united ticket of Obama and Hillary and all of us, as soon as possible, begin the defeat of the McCain candidacy.


Now I am not saying who I support because that's not what's important here nor is it important to pick a fight with what I just posted. Just think about it for awhile, you don't need to respond.

would agree to it. Of course maybe they are much better than any of thier supporters (myself included) at not taking the politics of campaigning personally?

just what in the heck that "Nomaste" meant.

I have yet to get an explanation that I could deal with.

Tom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste

As that explains, it has a variety of meanings.

holding palms together in front of your chest and bow to the person - a sign of respecting the dignity of a person. It's a good feeling to receive or give.

I thought it was some kind of wierdo-overture kind of thing.

Happens to me, quite often.

I thought they were making fun of my Texas accent.

Life gets curious, sometimes.

McPain is going to lose.

McCane will move the SC even further to the right

He shows no real promise of anything ...Doesn't show signs of being well read....not presidential timber.....more like a twig.....a tiny twig.....

Given she said that, repeatedly, on tape, (1) why would she want to be VP to Obama; (2) how much would the GOP love to have that quote to run in their ads?

Sorry, she burned that bridge.

Post quotes where she said McSane was more qualified.

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." - Hillary Clinton

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/04/clinton-mccain-has-more-_n_89758.html

and that link includes the video that they'll be happy to loop endlessly.

Now, whether or not that means that she is saying that McCain is "more qualified" can be disputed, I suppose, but don't you think that is how the McCain campaign (and the media) will try to spin it?

Here's an interesting take on just what you're talking about:

May 8, 2008 | From watching the coverage of the 2008 race, you'd think that the Democratic Party has never been down this road before -- divided along racial lines, mired in a bitter personal battle, seemingly incapable of repairing the divisions in time to defeat the Republicans.

If you believe this, then you probably didn't experience the 1994 U.S. Senate race in Virginia. For three years leading up to that race, the incumbent, Sen. Chuck Robb, and Gov. Doug Wilder, both Democrats, were embroiled in a bitter dispute. Robb staffers faced federal prosecution for having procured an illegal tape of a Wilder cellphone conversation and then later playing the tape for Washington Post reporters.

In late 1993, Wilder, the first African-American ever to be elected governor of a U.S. state, flirted with challenging Robb in the Democratic Senate primary. He backed away -- then changed his mind and entered the race as an independent in 1994. Six weeks before Election Day, Robb was trailing Republican nominee Oliver North by double digits. In a brutal election year for Democrats, the seat looked lost.

Few believed that Wilder could ever be persuaded to give up his campaign, and then endorse and vigorously campaign for his longtime rival. But that's just what happened -- the Democratic Party pulled together, long-standing scores were settled, debts paid, and legacies preserved. Today, some believe that Hillary Clinton will never drop out before Denver, and others ponder what she might want in return for a rapid, graceful exit. In 1994, Robb and Wilder proved that how a campaign ends is often more important than how it is waged -- and both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton can learn from the way these rivals built a lasting peace. And it all began with that most underrated of campaign rituals-- the post-campaign negotiation.

more...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/08/deal/

But sadly your post will go over the heads of the very partisan fanatics that have made GD: P their home... They don't want a unity ticket, and still bash each other even though they see the writing on the wall. They complain if one groups says they wont vote because the other group is being mean... yet they never stop to think that if they REALLY cared about getting their candidate in the white house (at any cost) they would suck it up and be nice. It would be a small price to pay for a vote regardless of how wrong/childish you think the other person is behaving. If you are not willing to be the one to humble yourself for a vote, even if the person you are humbling yourself to is in the wrong, then you don't REALLY believe we must win at all costs... Which proves that it is really about ego and hatred on their part, not about their CANDIDATE winning but about THEM winning, and certainly not about the democratic party.

The party is too evenly divided for either of the two remaining candidates to win the GE without the other's support -- and supporters.

And the best way to ensure that is a unity ticket as an unmistakable olive branch.

her the VP spot then I would tell her to drop out this instance and take it, because that is what is important. Winning. Divided they are both going to fail at this point. Together I think it would be very hard to beat them. They are both great candidates in my opinion, but have been horribly flawed by this battle... to the point that they now need to band together. I believe with all my heart that Clinton loves her party, and I believe with all my heart that Obama loves his party. They would be willing to join together, for that reason alone. We are democrats, we are fighting for something that is so much more important than any one candidate.

Does this mean we should have nominated Kucinich instead? :evilgrin:

:rofl:

Why is everyone so afraid that if Clinton remains and campaigns in this race, will it become evident that the SuperDelegates may place their bet on the losing candidate to McCain ... I'm thinking Obama would lose to McCain and Clinton could actually defeat McCain.