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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:10 AM
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Time Magazine: "The Five Mistakes Clinton Made"
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1738331,00.html

For all her talk about "full speed on to the White House," there was an unmistakably elegiac tone to Hillary Clinton's primary-night speech in Indianapolis. And if one needed further confirmation that the undaunted, never-say-die Clintons realize their bid might be at an end, all it took was a look at the wistful faces of the husband and the daughter who stood behind the candidate as she talked of all the people she has met in a journey "that has been a blessing for me."

It was also a journey she had begun with what appeared to be insurmountable advantages, which evaporated one by one as the campaign dragged on far longer than anyone could have anticipated. She made at least five big mistakes, each of which compounded the others:

1. She misjudged the mood
That was probably her biggest blunder. In a cycle that has been all about change, Clinton chose an incumbent's strategy, running on experience, preparedness, inevitability — and the power of the strongest brand name in Democratic politics. It made sense, given who she is and the additional doubts that some voters might have about making a woman Commander in Chief. But in putting her focus on positioning herself to win the general election in November, Clinton completely misread the mood of Democratic-primary voters, who were desperate to turn the page. "Being the consummate Washington insider is not where you want to be in a year when people want change," says Barack Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod. Clinton's "initial strategic positioning was wrong and kind of played into our hands." But other miscalculations made it worse:

2. She didn't master the rules
Clinton picked people for her team primarily for their loyalty to her, instead of their mastery of the game. That became abundantly clear in a strategy session last year, according to two people who were there. As aides looked over the campaign calendar, chief strategist Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state's 370 delegates. It sounded smart, but as every high school civics student now knows, Penn was wrong: Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all. Sitting nearby, veteran Democratic insider Harold M. Ickes, who had helped write those rules, was horrified — and let Penn know it. "How can it possibly be," Ickes asked, "that the much vaunted chief strategist doesn't understand proportional allocation?" And yet the strategy remained the same, with the campaign making its bet on big-state victories. Even now, it can seem as if they don't get it. Both Bill and Hillary have noted plaintively that if Democrats had the same winner-take-all rules as Republicans, she'd be the nominee. Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign now acknowledges privately:

3. She underestimated the caucus states
While Clinton based her strategy on the big contests, she seemed to virtually overlook states like Minnesota, Nebraska and Kansas, which choose their delegates through caucuses. She had a reason: the Clintons decided, says an adviser, that "caucus states were not really their thing." Her core supporters — women, the elderly, those with blue-collar jobs — were less likely to be able to commit an evening of the week, as the process requires. But it was a little like unilateral disarmament in states worth 12% of the pledged delegates. Indeed, it was in the caucus states that Obama piled up his lead among pledged delegates. "For all the talent and the money they had over there," says Axelrod, "they — bewilderingly — seemed to have little understanding for the caucuses and how important they would become."

By the time Clinton's lieutenants realized the grave nature of their error, they lacked the resources to do anything about it — in part because:

4. She relied on old money
For a decade or more, the Clintons set the standard for political fund-raising in the Democratic Party, and nearly all Bill's old donors had re-upped for Hillary's bid. Her 2006 Senate campaign had raised an astonishing $51.6 million against token opposition, in what everyone assumed was merely a dry run for a far bigger contest. But something had happened to fund-raising that Team Clinton didn't fully grasp: the Internet. Though Clinton's totals from working the shrimp-cocktail circuit remained impressive by every historic measure, her donors were typically big-check writers. And once they had ponied up the $2,300 allowed by law, they were forbidden to give more. The once bottomless Clinton well was drying up.

Obama relied instead on a different model: the 800,000-plus people who had signed up on his website and could continue sending money his way $5, $10 and $50 at a time. (The campaign has raised more than $100 million online, better than half its total.) Meanwhile, the Clintons were forced to tap the $100 million — plus fortune they had acquired since he left the White House — first for $5 million in January to make it to Super Tuesday and then $6.4 million to get her through Indiana and North Carolina. And that reflects one final mistake:

5. She never counted on a long haul
Clinton's strategy had been premised on delivering a knockout blow early. If she could win Iowa, she believed, the race would be over. Clinton spent lavishly there yet finished a disappointing third. What surprised the Obama forces was how long it took her campaign to retool. She fought him to a tie in the Feb. 5 Super Tuesday contests but didn't have any troops in place for the states that followed. Obama, on the other hand, was a train running hard on two or three tracks. Whatever the Chicago headquarters was unveiling to win immediate contests, it always had a separate operation setting up organizations in the states that were next. As far back as Feb. 21, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe was spotted in Raleigh, N.C. He told the News & Observer that the state's primary, then more than 10 weeks away, "could end up being very important in the nomination fight." At the time, the idea seemed laughable.

Now, of course, the question seems not whether Clinton will exit the race but when. She continues to load her schedule with campaign stops, even as calls for her to concede grow louder. But the voice she is listening to now is the one inside her head, explains a longtime aide. Clinton's calculation is as much about history as it is about politics. As the first woman to have come this far, Clinton has told those close to her, she wants people who invested their hopes in her to see that she has given it her best. And then? As she said in Indianapolis, "No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." When the task at hand is healing divisions in the Democratic Party, the loser can have as much influence as the winner.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:13 AM
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1. God damn! She's Bush's evil, bitter twin!
She's just like Dubya, insulated, surrounded by idiot yes-people, and tone-deaf as hell to reality.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:19 AM
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5. "No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win."
That ain't Bushspeak.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:21 AM
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10. Please - how hard did she stump for Gore or Kerry? Bill too for that matter.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:54 AM
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21. she did do this for John Kerry...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:49 AM
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37. I will believe it when I see it but her racist remarks today undermine
any belief I have that she has a soul let alone will do the dem thing when the time comes. White people have deserted Obama? Fuck her.
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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:16 AM
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2. Brillant Summation
This is exactly the mistakes she made running her campaign.


Although I would add one more. Her going into the massive negative and running a Rove campaign in desperation sunk her political career in my book.



This is why campaign's are a great barometer of how a person would do running a country. She hired terrible talent, refused to have backup plans, a lousy sense of money, and above else completely and utterly acted evil to the core.




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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:37 AM
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16. To me, the turning point was back in 2002 when she voted for Bush's war.
She 's no fool, so I don't believe she misunderstood
what she was voting for when she gave the administration
authority to conduct the war it had claimed it was going
to fight since the 1990s.

She made coldly political calculation: take a hard stance
now, say "No!", and be called a wuss (or worse) and an
anti-American coward, or take the politically easy route,
say "Yes!", and hope that Bush knew how to conduct a
war.

She voted yes, and became instantly ineligible for
my vote.

And Bush, of course, didn't know how to conduct a war
so the public mood turned against the war she'd eagerly
voted to endorse.

But Hillary refused to recant her vote so she has remained
ineligible for my vote. (And I know I'm not alone in
feeling this way.)

Tesha
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:51 AM
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19. hen she first WENT to the senate, there was a lot of analysis
made over her committee choices/appointments..Even back then the buzz what that ahe was "plumping" her resume for a run at the presidency..
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:28 AM
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29. And that would have been fine.
In 2000, Mr. Tesha and I gve quite a lot of money to
Hillary's Senate campaign and we did it, in part,
*PRECISELY* because we expected her to run for
President some time in the near future and we
liked that idea.

But once elected to the Senate, she broke our
hearts with several of her votes on major, really
important issues, fundamental issues (with her
IWR vote being the one that really sticks in mind)
and we swore off "President Clinton".

Then, as her campaign descended from "inevitable"
to "indefensible", we swore *AT* "President Clinton".
She's now reached "irredeamable" in our eyes, even
though we started out as her natural constituency.

Tesha
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:58 AM
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39. yep..once IN, she had to become "tough" & militant
to be "one of the boys".. That's what's so infuriating to me.. I am a woman, and when I see a woman president, I see a woman..not a woman masquerading as a guy in a dress (or yellow pantsuit)..

A woman can be a strong leader without resorting to macho games.. Hillary "postured" from day one.. and at this point I'm not sure even she knows who she really is anymore..

We are electing their BRAINS...not their genitalia..
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:33 AM
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31. The "yes" voters thought they were voting a WIN/WIN scenario...
turned out to be a BIG lose/lose.



In votes lost AND lives lost.

You are NOT alone.

I will NEVER vote for a "yes" voter in
a primary if I have another choice.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:17 AM
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3. She can't run a campaign but she wants to run the country.
Despite the horribly managed campaign, Hillary's biggest problem is her record as Senator.

She has caved on every meaningful vote, demonstrating a lack of courage and a calculating, pandering nature.

The best campaign in the world can't sell vinegar as French perfume.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:18 AM
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4. Hillary really was campaigning like it was 1992, not 2008. Got to change with the times.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 10:19 AM by Jennicut
Obama just seems so much more in touch with how to use the internet, how to tap into the change message people who wer e sick of Bush so desperately needed. He said Al Gore had the election stolen from him, Hillary said it was elitism. Proportionality...simple to understand actually. Not knowing how to do caucus states is terrible. Its part of the process. As for thinking it would be over after Super Tuesday, not doing caucus states well allowed Obama to stay in. She was the old way, Obama is the new way. Its a changing of the guard just like in 1992 people were sick of Poppy Bush. Hopefully people will equate McLame in the same way: ancient and out of touch. So much for "elitism".
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:19 AM
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6. Absolutely. She ran a thoroughly incompetent campaign. Perhaps it's best
that such a terrible executive not be trusted with a GE campaign.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:20 AM
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7. Plagiarism!! They got point one by reading my thread from two days ago!
Edited on Thu May-08-08 10:20 AM by SoonerPride
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:21 AM
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8. That's journalism you can Xerox!
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:24 AM
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12. Karen Tumulty is a DUer!
:rofl:
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:25 AM
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28. lmao
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:21 AM
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9. Excellent analysis. Her blunders + lack of judgment are a strong argument against an HRC presidency
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:23 AM
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11. Excellent article ~
And we wanted HC to be responsible and run our country?

When you can't run your own campaign please don't try to run our country.

In poker and in politics you have to know when to hold and when to fold.

In politics that is true as well, except that you should bow out with dignity.

All the other candidates, Republican and Democrat, ran decent campaigns as far as I can recall.

Let's hope we can pick up the pieces ~ in a million years I would not have believe that it would be like this article described.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:24 AM
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13. excellent...
To summerize,

Obama "popped" the traditional Washington bubble way of politics...And kudos for Dean who I still think would be a great President for helping pave the path!



GOBAMA!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:29 AM
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14. this is a good analysis and something we all need to heed in the future
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:34 AM
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15. Somehow
I don't think much of MSM punditry lately. These are opinions you could get better online. The main problem is that these are mainly not "mistakes", just the set often necessary nature of Clinton and her campaign and the unlikely prospect of beating Obama by changing to his advantages. but of course you have to beat up on the poser and make yourself nauseatingly wise(about things that could have been easily seen BEFORE Super Tuesday)- if you are doing the usual tiresome, easy fluff retrospective piece about how the winner was so smart and timely and the loser so old school and dumb.

We didn't get much like that with the not so epic GOP listless limp default to McCain- who did nothing but make big mistakes until he kept his mouth shut for a while.

Hillary's big mistake was in running, but it could have indeed have gained her the nomination and the presidency. Without a crystal ball it was much too tempting and the main things her critics had against her obviously she did not share. Only those opinions cast a clear shadow of doom on her candidacy as they did on the war in Iraq- for many shared reasons and tested judgments.

It was no mistake nor failure in building and maintaining a huge voter support even though it was the MSM and trivialization that maybe kept the collapse at bay. This has been set like this for months. The sudden backward glancing wisdom is old news, but at least it signals the concession of Obama's biggest foe in the race- the MSM itself.

A condescending lite piece from a corporate fluff magazine. Maybe not directly anti-Dem but another example of the only reason we should bother about what they say- simply because too many people read this
slop and take for granted it is informed wisdom.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:53 AM
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20. yes, how many campaigns has Karen Tumulty run?
Probably about as many as Ann Coulter. She's been an observer from the perspective of a national magazine.

Media Matters hasn't always reviewed her work well, either:

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/karen_tumulty

I believe that Hillary's biggest mistake was in hiring Penn. She might as well had the loser Shrum calling the shots.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:37 AM
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17. The "Obamatons" and "Obamaniacs" and "cultists" all knew it on Super Tuesday
he hung in, he won Missouri, it looked like a tie, and her machine was utterly spent and sputtering. It was hilarious to see the Clinton supporters crowing triumphantly on Super Tuesday, flapping their little wings over California and Massachusetts. Anybody with a lick of sense could see that the Obama campaign had weathered the worst part of the storm, and that the Clinton machine was finished, and looking at a month straight of costly and devastating losses. It was to laugh.

They fucked up. Bad. Their supporters - although clearly still bewildered by the reversal of fortune - should really look to the rank incompetence of the "Greatest Democratic Political Machine of a Generation" to find their sorrow. As we used to say in Queens when I was growing up: "Ya did it ta yaself."
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:51 AM
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18. yup
i think her campaign has done a good job recently to change the focus on all primaries and caucuses, but she still doesn't understand the internet and still doesn't quite understand the national mood

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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:59 AM
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22. Good read
Thanks for posting.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:01 AM
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23. 6. Fiscal irresponsibility


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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:43 AM
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36. love the pic
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:02 AM
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24. It sounds like the author read one of my posts
I think they owe me a check.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:07 AM
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25. You and me both!
I accept Paypal

:)
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:32 AM
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30. make me three
:D

i also accept paypal
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:09 AM
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26. I agree with these points.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:16 AM
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27. This article also makes the yahoo.com front page.
That's pretty much my judge of what non-political junkies know. If it appears on the place where they go to check their e-mail, then this is something that is big.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:39 AM
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32. Those mistakes are only strategic.
They don't take into account her policy problems.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:39 AM
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33. They missed one
As many people have pointed out -- or should have -- Hillary and Barack are similar in many ways. Both are very bright. Both are driven. They have records that are the same -- with some notable differences. However, Barack has one thing that Hillary seemed to lack -- the ability to adapt.

We can argue about what qualities we want in a president. Do we value inspiration over "toughness" or "hope" over "experience." That actually depends.

They key quality is the ability to adapt to a changing situation on the ground and turn it to your advantage. As I said in a similar thread yesterday, Hillary was campaigning in the last election and misread the mood in the country. When she found she was out of sync with what a lot of people wanted, instead of adapting to that and turning it to her advantage, she started to ridicule the people.

As I said yesterday, I came into this uncommitted to either one, but leaning slightly toward Hillary. However, I want to see change in the way things are done. When she started to lose me was the speech she gave mocking Obama and his supporters: "The skies will open and heavenly choirs will sing." That was a slap in the face to a lot of committed people and, instead of seizing an opportunity to adapt to a changing political landscape, she fought against it by belittling it and ridiculing it. That was the moment I began to think she was going to lose.

Barack, on the other hand, took every bucket of shit thrown at him from the other side and turned it to his advantage. While the phony Rev. Wright issue came back to bite him again and again, his speech on race made a lot of people either look at him in a new way or look at him for the first time.

Hillary had no such moment. In fact, as the situation changed, she seemed to move backward, and start using tactics we're already sick of -- the anonymous mailings, the robo calls, the surrogate smears, the veiled racism.

The supreme irony is that she used all these tactics in light of what is said about her in her wikipedia entry:

Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami. However, she was upset by how Richard Nixon's campaign portrayed Rockefeller and what by she perceived as the convention's "veiled" racist messages, and left the Republican Party for good.


She was upset by it, but used the same tactics against Barack.

But, in the end, it was her inability or unwillingness to change as the situation in the race changed. That is not a good quality in a president who must govern in a rapidly changing environment. On that alone, Barack scored huge.
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chemenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:40 AM
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34. Which only goes to show you that HiLIARy would have brought
nothing to the presidency. With her it would have been same old, same old. Business as usual. Same shit different day. Limited thinking. Limited foresight. Limited possibilities. No imagination. No creativity. No seeing the bigger picture.

We've had eight years of this under the Bush administration. Who wants four more under a HiLIARy Clinton administration?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:43 AM
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35. No slack until HRC's forced out.
NO SLACK! HRC will try anything to win or destroy our Party in the process.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:52 AM
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38. I was going to respond that I agree and the article makes some great points
Edited on Thu May-08-08 11:52 AM by Marrah_G
But I see the thread has just become another pile-on, so fuck it. why bother.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:07 PM
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40. Two Words : Mark Penn
It leaps out at you in that article, and in the constant changes in tone and message throughout the campaign. Starting off play it safe, don't startle the horses, ending in a kitchen sink. Only when Hillary was unleashed on the eve of Ohio and Texas did she find her voice. A voice that could wield the knife ruthlessly and at times unfairly, but we expected nothing less. Rudy vs Hillary could have been a fireworks spectacular more out of 19th Century and the 21st.

Penn's last micro play- The GasTaxCut, backfired in every direction. It took the focus on Obama negatives, and most of all roll their campaign into a policy ditch, where not even Hill's consummate command of detail could save her.

Penn is the BIG LOSER in this primary. The man who misread the electorate so completely that his reputation is in tatters. Expect to see Micro Trends at micro prices in the remainder bins.

And expect to hear a lot more from Harold M. Ickes.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:18 PM
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41. very good point
mark penn set the agenda during the early part of the primary season, precisely when the most horrible moves were being made
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