Ok so know I said " it's a trap" but here's what kos says about HRC's comments today

Just wanted to at least make sure you all had info from this article which discusses the validity and seeming source of hillary's comments today. Maybe this will lessen the fervor of the debate here.

<http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/8/114550/1998/837/511733>
Original quote
" "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.
"


and Kos:

"And she's wrong, too. Look at Obama's support in these relevant categories over the last six contests, spanning eight whole weeks.

TX OH MS PA IN NC

White 44 34 26 37 40 37
No College 42 40 58 42 46 56
College Grad 55 51 62 49 50 57
Over $50K 51 47 52 45 49 60
Under $50K 47 42 66 46 50 54

So let's see what Clinton is claiming again -- that "Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

* Obama's support among whites is actually increasing compared to Ohio, Mississippi and Pennsylvania. She lied about that.

* Obama's support among "hard working Americans", which is code for poorer Americans, has also increased over those in previous contests, save for Mississippi, where the under-$50K vote was overwhelmingly black.

* Obama's numbers among college grads is static to increasing. We don't have exit poll breakdowns for education by race, and we can assume North Carolina's huge numbers with "no college" are due to the large African American percentages in the state. But what about Indiana, a state that is whiter (83.9%) than Pennsylvania (82.1%), Ohio (82.9%) and Texas (48.3%)? Despite the demographic disadvantage, Obama actually increased his support among voters with no college degrees.

So how can Clinton be so wrong? Because she's citing an AP-Yahoo News poll from back on May 3rd. Rather than cite actual voter data, she is basing her claims on an old poll taken before the Indiana and North Carolina primaries."

Why bother with this?

:shrug:

Not to mention it validates what we've been saying about Clinton and racism this whole campaign.

If Obama supporters are so convinced she's a goner, why bother with the continued whining?

we'll continue to campaign. Why are you whining? It's what she wants. When she acts like a racist snit, she's going to get called on it.

Neener neener... if she does it we will... blah fuckity blah blah blah.

You seriously don't see this as a waste of time? If Obama is a given, why not start doing the real work, stomping out McSame?

She would love to be overlooked so she can continue to spread her lies about white voters and MI & FL. Sorry. Not going to let he get away with it. If you want to stomp out McNutball, go to it. Why are you arguing with us??? Fuckity bla bla.

She may as well be gone now... so why not let her go and channel all this wasted energy toward busting McCain's chops? Don't you see how stupid all this is?

Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker!

If she is being overlooked then no one would give a flying rat's ass what she says!

Some people are obsessed with the Clintons. They just can't pull away. They are addicted to hating Bill and Hillary. It's pretty twisted. I watched it on freerepublic for years; never thought I would see it in so-called Democrats.

You nailed it! I have chills head to toe... what the fuck is up with this shit? And why do only a handful of us seem to see the whole picture? I feel like I've landed on Mars... jeez.

That the Clintons are synonymous with the entire Democratic party. That you have to like the Clintons to be a Democrat. Could someone please point me to the Democratic party rules where that was stated? I think I missed some fine print somewhere.

...and you might want to re-make your point. It doesn't make any sense at all.

"So-called Democrats". It's a big party, with a lot of members. It's ridiculous to say that one family represents the entire party.

P.S.

Thanks for the welcome. :)

You didn't get the gist of it and your outrage makes no sense. No one is making the assertion you claim.

No where in that post did it mention anything about all Democrats needing to like either Clinton... you not only missed the point, but you missed the thick blunt handle as well.

Read again... this was about all the RW fundies who couldn't let go of Bill's penis... so to speak.

you'd find in Freeperville. Especially the ones about how Obama's life would be at risk if Hillary were the VP.

Never thought I'd see such demented garbage posted here.

to secure the nomination, then and only then will many of us turn our attention to McCain.

To use a sports analogy, when you're down by 14 and there are only 2 minutes left on the clock, no one says the game is over and let's start looking at our next opponent. We have to finish this election before we start campaigning for the next.

Like my fellow Dodger fans do. If Hillary is a goner, why continue wasting time and energy flogging the dead horse? Why not ignore her completely and focus on McCain? If it's over for her, it's over for her NOW! I keep reading posts that say it's over for her, so you would only be fighting one battle at time, a battle against the REAL enemy.

And killing a few flies in the process.

But it seems hypocritical to me to say she is not going to win, then continue the floggings. What a waste of good energy that could be directed at McSame... the real enemy... remember him?

You know Clinton's lost the nomination, yet you continue to defend her. Why?

I'm trying to get all this useless energy directed toward that motherfuckingrepublicannutfuckingjob McCAIN!!! All this Hillary bashing is useless and wasted energy!

That's not to say anyone should pay any attention to her! Like I've been saying for weeks, the only thing hurting and dividing the party right now is the fucking incessant whining. The whining needs to stop, and we ALL need to focus our attention on McCain!

Jesus. Are we speaking the same language?

Apparently not. You keep talking about stopping whining, and focusing our attention McCain.

But all I see you do is whine about Obama supporters.

:shrug:

I hate Obama and Hillary equally. But I'll hold my nose and vote for the nominee... and if we don't stop this and focus on McCain, now, we are wasting precious time and energy.

You are only giving her credence by bitching about it. Time to stop the whining.

Are you sure you're not just digging yourself deeper into a hole here?

over and over and over again is silly. If she is insignificant to this race, she shouldn't be given the time of day, let alone the validation of argument.

Wasn't it not standing up enough that Kerry was criticized for? You really need to make up your mind.

I'm ready for ALL whining to stop. But it's not reasonable to ask one side to stand down and embrace a continuing attack, is it?

/oops

Kerry never made it this far in the race. And there's a big difference between smacking a lie down once, and bludgeoning it to death with a claw hammer... over and over again... I'm asking ALL of DU to stop the madness!

same with the Huff

Hypocrite.

Still frequent that place?

uguu

so I can see why this source bothers you so much.

You are jumping the shark, dear.

doesn't mean it has no validity. It's pure logic. If Obama supporters are so convinced she will fail, why not start focusing on stomping out McSame instead of bludgeoning a horse y'all claim is so fucking dead, dear?

Or maybe some kind of worm-hole device ...

but hey, that's just me.

She trying to set up a situation where whites may think they can't vote for him.

and promoting her electability to the office of President of the United States, by slicing and dicing up the electorate in my country according to a racial divide is not acceptable by any elected official.

....to the extent that they can't let her go. She is for Obamans what the clenis was for fundies and wingnuts. Just can't stop lovin' that hate.

Isn't that just precious

I've said that I would support either candidate, but this is the deal-breaker for me. If she won the nomination, I'd drop out of the whole game, climb Mt. Hood and look for a snow cave.

Okay, maybe not. But this really, really pisses me off. She can kiss my skinny white hardworking ass.

stop campaigning for yourself, Hillary, and join Obama on the road to campaign for him. What a BS argument.