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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:14 PM
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Hillary claims she has the right vote (wink, wink) to win the WH
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:54 PM by ProSense
No matter how often Hillary's divisive tactics have been pointed out, the criticisms have been met with excuses and spin.

Hillary's latest comment via Josh Marshall:

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.


Expect a slew of excuses and spin offered suggesting that it's okay for a Democratic leader to point out that Americans, specifically most "hard-working Americans, white Americans," will not vote for Obama. They will say that it's just reality, and Hillary is simply a plain talker. Here's a good example of spin in defense of Hillary:

As quoted, that's a dumb thing to say which seems to imply that non-white voters or perhaps all Obama supporters are lazy. But add a pinch of charitable interpretation into the dynamic, and I think Clinton's meaning is perfectly clear -- she really does do better than Obama among white working class voters in Democratic primary elections. I don't buy the argument, often made by Clinton supporters, that this edge among white working class Democratic primary voters indicates a substantial Clinton electability edge in the general election (it's one part fallacy, two parts baseless speculation, and then a grain of truth) but it's a common argument and not an offensive one.

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To the inevitable apologists, note that this is calculated sentiment coming from Hillary's campaign.

Hillary Chief Strategist: North Carolina Loss Represented Progress Because We Won Among White Voters

Black voters don't matter, not to Hillary. At the very least, she is diminishing their value as voters. What happened to "every vote counts, count every vote"? After the record disenfranchisement of black voters in the 2004 election, Hillary has chosen to send a message, loud and clear, that despite Obama's success in the primary, he can't win without the white vote as defined by her.

Like the small town folks to whom Hillary proclaimed "bitter" offensive, like those who spoke out to defend Hillary against the misogynistic media, there are many black voters, some women, who are angry, bitter and sad about Hillary and the media's attempt to smear Obama.

Even as most people realize that there is little difference between both candidates on policy, Hillary has decided to portray Obama as unelectable. For the most part, her campaign's overt criticisms and distortions have focused on Obama's so-called lack of experience. In more subtle ways and in private, we know that she has tried to make race the case, arguing to superdelegates that America will not vote for a black man.

As a leader in the Democratic Party, it was incumbent on Hillary to use her platform to attempt to bridge any divide resulting from a woman and black candidate being the front runners in this primary. Instead, she chose to exploit these divisions (among women too) to win at the cost of unity.

For all the cries from her supporters that she is a victim of sexism, her campaign seems to care little about trampling on the hopes and concerns of many black voters, some women, who are undoubtedly angry, bitter and sad about Obama being forced into a situation of trying to overcome the blatant race baiting and racist untertones of this primary.

With the primary winding down, and more people acknowledging that Obama is the presumptive nominee, Hillary decides to ratchet up her appeal, not for unity or to Democrats or all Americans on the issues, but to "hard-working Americans," you know, the "white Americans," who, you know, are turning away from Obama. At this late stage (game over), Hillary has decided to make a strong public appeal for herself (damn the party), emphasizing her ability to attract white voters.

Before the IN and NC primaries, and Hillary's recent comment, an WSJ op-ed piece suggested that Hillary make a speech to help bring about unity:

April 29, 2008, 6:48 am

Clinton Could Ease Racial Tensions

Gerald F. Seib, executive Washington editor of The Wall Street Journal...

Maybe it’s time for another speech on race relations in America — this time by Sen. Hillary Clinton.

As fears of a racial divide move from the wings to center stage for Democrats, it has largely been Sen. Barack Obama who has been called upon to address the subject. And he has — first in a high-profile speech a few weeks ago, and recently this past weekend in an extended conversation on race and the campaign on “Fox News Sunday.”

<...>

Yet it is Sen. Clinton who now has the greater ability to ease racial tensions within her party. Arguably, she also has the greater need to do so, for her long-term standing.

<...>

And there is some evidence that the split is getting starker. The two most recent primaries, in Mississippi and Pennsylvania, in some ways may have been the most racially divided of all. In Mississippi, exit polls indicate, 70% of the white vote went for Sen. Clinton, and 92% of the black vote for Sen. Obama. In Pennsylvania, 63% of the white vote was for Sen. Clinton, and 90% of the black vote for Sen. Obama.

Yet the broader picture isn’t quite as clear as that suggests. In two states that have voted since Super Tuesday — Wisconsin and Vermont — Sen. Obama won a majority of the white vote. In a third, the important bellwether state of Missouri, the white vote split almost evenly between Sens. Clinton and Obama.

Earlier, when Sen. John Edwards was still in the race, exit polls indicated that Sens. Clinton and Obama got almost exactly the same share of the white vote in California, the nation’s largest state. And Sen. Obama has won caucuses in a number of largely white states, perhaps precisely because race isn’t much of an issue in those states.



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(emphasis added)

Wonder why?


Hillary's "white Americans" comment causing a quick firestorm

Enough!

Editorial

Clinton's end: time to yield and unify

Dogged, determined Sen. Hillary Clinton smacked into turbulence somewhere over Indiana. In the incongruous rules of politics, she won the state narrowly but lost the battle for the nomination.

It is time for Clinton to do something she is not wired to do: yield the nomination to Sen. Barack Obama, the candidate with the best chance to win and unify Democrats.Clinton is not campaigning to be the Energizer Bunny, which, against all odds, keeps mechanically bobbing forward and backward because, darn it, the batteries still work. She has talked in recent days about being a fighter. Fighters may never give in, but sophisticated leaders do.

There comes a time to acknowledge the electoral math and step aside. Hillary cannot reach the required number of delegates without ripping the Democratic Party into pieces in a fight over delegates from Florida and Michigan. Those delegates may not be seated at the convention because their states violated the calendar for staging primaries.

If Clinton presses on to the bitter end, as is her misguided right to do, she will carry the burden of ruining the Democrats' best chance in years to change Washington, D.C., end the war in Iraq and move the country forward internationally and domestically.

In the longest nominating process on Planet Earth, it is hard to say one state's results are more important than another's. When looking for an end point, however, we know it when we see it. Clinton has tenaciously exhausted her options.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:15 PM
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1. Dat broad is all class.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:18 PM
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2. Is that you, Vic Tayback?
I thought you were dead!
:hi:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:33 PM
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3. K&R
:kick:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:41 PM
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4. White Pride. Must be time to vote in WV and KY.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:43 PM
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5. Why does Race always come up from the Clinton side?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:53 PM
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9. and sexism comes up from the same side: here's the pattern
person: "I don't like her IWR vote"

clinton supporter: "sexist"

clinton supporter: "only the white vote counts, a black man is only winning in black states because of black voters. He's an elitist, maybe a drug dealer"

person: "why are you using racially divisive rhetoric?"

clinton supporter: "racebaiter!"
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:13 PM
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19. Thats it in a nutshell...n/t
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:43 PM
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6. I suppose we are to believe that
these of HRC's 'millions of words every day' were completely innocent and taken out of context, and have nothing to do with the fact that WV and KY are upcoming.

Riiiight.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:14 PM
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14. Hillary is getting a bum rap.
It's not her fault: the gas tax pander, the "obliterate" comment, the lies and the constant use of race and gender to try to bolster a failed campaign with mounting debt.

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:50 PM
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7. K & R
:thumbsup:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:53 PM
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8. All that's missing
are the sheets! :(
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:03 AM
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30. Oh Shit!, let's not bring out the costumes, too.
We need to get on with taking McCain to task, and it needs to go forward without worrying about distractions and stabbings from the Clintons.

:hi:

NoFederales
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:54 PM
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10. Yes a pattern is emerging Hillary - your stupidity. If you think any republican
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:55 PM by TBF
or even a moderate is going to vote for you you've been out in the sun too long.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:18 PM
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15. How about a unity ticket?
:sarcasm:
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:43 PM
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16. Barack deflected that nicely in his interview with Wolf "it's not time to talk about that yet"
he said, leaving off the part about how it will be a cold day in hell before he ever talks about it. ;)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:39 PM
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21. The timing of the push has been bizarre. n/t
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:07 PM
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11. You know, she really does have a point.
There needs to be some way to judge not only the quantity of the votes, but the quality of the votes. Somehow the whiteness of the voter just gets lost in our current system.

Perhaps some sort of compromise could be worked out, where off-white votes were scored only on some fraction of white votes. Maybe three-fifths or so.

Haven't I heard this somewhere before?
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:08 PM
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12. Would you like to buy a Hillary WV campaign shirt?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:18 PM
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13. The shirt probably has a hood.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:05 PM
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17. "But now she's thrown it right out there in the open: Obama can't win because he's black."

Pretty Black and White

<...>

AB is right. Maybe it's general campaign fatigue, or the sense that the race is all but over now, but a month ago her remarks would have been a huge story, the dominant political story of the day.

The political press spent weeks trying to divine whether the Clinton camp was really attempting to cast Obama as the black candidate, a favorite son candidate of the African American community. The Clinton camp vehemently denied it then and even as recently as a few days ago Bill Clinton claimed it was the Obama camp playing the race card against him.

Race has been the subtext of much of Hillary's argument for her own electability. But now she's thrown it right out there in the open: Obama can't win because he's black. Vote for me instead.

You don't have to believe that Hillary's a racist (I don't) to conclude that a combination of the rigors of the campaign trail and her own powerful ambitions have clouded her judgment and curdled her spirit. It has certainly soured what had been a historic relationship between the Clintons and the black community.

Hers is not an appeal we'd tolerate from a Republican candidate, nor should we from a Democrat, no matter how sterling her progressive credentials might otherwise be.

There's been a lot of talk about the damage Hillary will do to the party by staying in the race this long. Perhaps she should consider the damage she's doing to herself.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:12 PM
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18. "Even professional haters like Pat Buchanan and his ilk aren’t so balls-out about racism."
NOTE FROM JOHN: I'm not sure I'd have compared her language to the Klan - but then again, I'm not black, so I don't presume to be as sensitive to the nuances of racism as I am to homophobia, for example. But, I do hear a lot of David Duke. I mean, "white Americans"? The more I think about the phrase, the more I really can't come up with a situation in which I would ever use it. White people, sure. But white Americans? That sounds like David Duke's phrase "European Americans." It's just not a phrase the non-racists use. Then again, every time Hillary moves into a new state, she picks the one right-wing issue to embrace that she thinks will help with that state. In North Carolina it was homophobia (pansy, etc.). In Pennsylvania she became Annie Oakley. And now with West Virginia, she embracing racism. It's like Hillary's own perverted rainbow coalition of homophobes, NRA members, and racists. I think this speaks volumes to what Hillary sees when she sees rural America, southern America,and the midwest. To her we're all rednecks.

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Blogger Oliver Willis, who is African-American, weighs in with a post titled "Hillary White Power Clinton":

Indeed, a pattern has emerged some time ago. Boy, did we dodge a bullet.

“(W)orking, hard-working Americans, white Americans.” She really said that. Wow.

Congratulations, Hillary Clinton, you win the prize for the first Democratic Bigot Eruption since I’ve been keeping track of this. Even professional haters like Pat Buchanan and his ilk aren’t so balls-out about racism. You’ve been getting your ass handed to you and especially among black voters. This shows me once again that we - who are apparently lazy and shiftless non-Americans based on your definition - have yet again been a leading indicator.

There was maybe a slight chance Barack Obama might have been pushed to pick you as his running mate, but we can’t have someone spouting Klan-style talking points on the ticket. Heck, there’s a good shot with language like that you won’t win back your senate seat in 2012. I mean, a lot of those apparently lazy and shiftless non-American blacks helped you to win and they’d just as soon vote for someone else in the primary or the Republican in the election rather than someone echoing Bull Connor’s language.

“Working, hard working Americans, white Americans,” indeed.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:18 PM
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20. "Dog whistles no more."
The frame is specific -- that's why Clinton referred to hard working white Americans. What happened to "blue collar Americans?" Oh wait, there are a lot of hard working black and brown blue collar/working class Americans, and many of them they voted for Obama, so she had to slice that demo down to the bottom line. Dog whistles no more.

I want to believe that it wasn't a purposeful slip of the tongue because it's too painful to contemplate that the black vote is now perceived as a "problem" because it skews to Obama, and because there are more white voters who have a problem with him based on his race, we have to nail that demo. Remember, the black vote has been the most reliable Democratic vote, not the Reagan Democrats. Black voters don't turn out for Obama solely because he is black. I've blogged before about this bizarre train of thought -- if the affinity vote is so powerful we would have seen a bum rush for Alan Keyes. What Clinton is saying is not inaccurate (polls slice and dice this way), but its use here is inappropriate and inflammatory. It's because the last core demo left for her to appeal to is resistant to Obama for reasons that have little to do with policy differences, or 3 AM readiness. She's brought the microtarget out into the light and it's one many of us don't want to face talking about, with a different name -- scared white people.

She is naming her remaining trump card, and considering our country's pitiful history of not frankly dealing with or discussing race -- aside from painful, fumbling defensive fits and starts -- we're left to deal with the fallout of a "poorly worded" statement, lacking a sufficiently stocked toolbox to deal with the ramifications of courting a vote with implicit and explicit biases.

The question never explored is why are these people scared more about a black president (regardless of political viewpoint) than the prospect of a McCain presidency and four more years of failed economic policies that have left this very demographic high and dry? What do we want to do about this as Americans? Apparently nothing, that's a third rail topic and there's an election to win.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:41 PM
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22. I sure hope Latinos are paying attention to Miss. Hilly throwing ALL People of Color under the bus?
:puke: :nuke:


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:24 PM
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23. No VP slot for Hillary
Offensive is not a desired quality.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:53 PM
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24. NYT: Sen. Clinton and the Campaign
Editorial

Sen. Clinton and the Campaign

Published: May 9, 2008

There is a lot of talk that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is now fated to lose the Democratic nomination and should pull out of the race. We believe it is her right to stay in the fight and challenge Senator Barack Obama as long as she has the desire and the means to do so. That is the essence of the democratic process.

But we believe just as strongly that Mrs. Clinton will be making a terrible mistake — for herself, her party and for the nation — if she continues to press her candidacy through negative campaigning with disturbing racial undertones. We believe it would also be a terrible mistake if she launches a fight over the disqualified delegations from Florida and Michigan.

The United States needs a clean break from eight catastrophic years of George W. Bush. And so far, Senator John McCain is shaping up as Bush the Sequel — neverending war in Iraq, tax cuts for the rich while the middle class struggles, courts packed with right-wing activists intent on undoing decades of progress in civil rights, civil liberties and other vital areas.

The Democratic Party must field the most effective and vibrant candidate it possibly can. More attack ads and squabbling will not help achieve that goal. If Mr. Obama wins, he will be that much more battered and the party will be harder to unite. Win or lose, Mrs. Clinton’s reputation will suffer more harm than it already has.

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Ouch!

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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:55 PM
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25. K & fn R. Wallace wannabe.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:30 PM
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26. Be sure to read
the NYT editorial, linked here.


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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:40 AM
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27. She's going for Civil War II
And I thought 'Jericho' was science fiction...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:24 AM
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29. It's divide and conquer. n/t
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:47 AM
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28. I think she is beginning to need some meds for her delusions....
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