We Get it! You're Not Voting for Obama

and you think it's important to let the Obama supporters know.

You're not voting for Obama in th general because someone on the internets was mean to you. Maybe they called you a name. Maybe it turns out you were more bitter than you thought, bitter enough to help McCain into the White House. Maybe Obama took your lunch money. Doesn't matter why.

Here's the thing though. I am going to vote for Obama. I'm going to send his campaign money. I'm going to make calls. I'm going to have Obama yard signs. I'm going to be involved. Because I care. I care about not having a Republican in the white house for another four years (minimum). I care about the country. I care about gas prices and home loans and bridges that don't fall into the fucking river. I care about you. Are you really so offended by people on a message board that you're going to sit at home in a huff and watch the election? Can you call yourself a Democrat and vote for McCain, or write in Hillary, or just stay home and cause more suffering in Iraq and here in the US?

Hillary supporters! You claim your candidate is a fighter, so why aren't you willing to fight for what important? For putting a Democrat back in the white house, even if it's one you don't like. If you think Obama is going to be worse than McCain, you're on the wrong web site, please believe.

If things were the other way around, you bet I'd be voting for Hillary. I don't like her, and I don't like some of her supporters but I like Hillary supporters a HELL of a lot more than I like the religious right, and the chicken-hawks, and the corporate greed-mongers, so please believe there is no doubt I'd vote for Hillary.

If you want the olive branch, here's mine. Want me to call you and offer an apology for what an Obama supporter said to you? Cool, send me your phone number in a PM and I'll call you and offer an apology.

There are more important things at stake than your hurt feelings.

and talks to me like Bush does. But - I trust her to look out for me and this country better than Bush or at this point the McCain clone of him.

but man oh man! Hillary will be a breath of fresh air compared to what we've been stuck with for eight years.

McCain is a aberration. A Bush clone who is somehow older than the body he was made from.

Condescending posts like this one are not going to help. I have always said I would support the nominee no matter what. After tuesday hillary is yesterdays news to me. I still think Obama is the weaker candidate but he has won the nomination. A little less gloating would be nice. Remember how you felt in 2000 and 2004?

but not in terms of post number. And its not just the DU web site - web sites for Hillary are promoting voting drives to get democrats to support McCain and also calling the democratic party crap.

to the last 8 years. I mean really paying attention - listening to cable news is akin to dumbing down - they won't tell you anything you need to know and to seriously analyze.

Anyone who has participated in any newsworthy online forums know how serious it is to NOT let another Republican anywhere near the White House. To say they will not vote for the Democratic nominee is either a typical head-in-the-sand fence sitter or a Republican in disguise.

The thread from your first link is disturbing, it tends to border on sickness. There was a time that thread not only would have been deleted, but the poster as well. Once the nominee is officially announced, I assure you that will happen.

Threads like that just need to die. Not to feed the trolls. Remember there are operatives, and there are trolls with nothing better to do. And, there are ignorant people who think they know how bad this current administration has been, but actually know jack. If they did, they'd never hold back a vote for a Democrat, because when they do that, they are actually giving their power to the GOP, and assuring a conservative majority to the Supreme Court, and what's left of our civil rights.

.. petty and what sore losers the HRC crowd are.

But not to worry, once this all over cooler heads will prevail.

The ones who actually do vote for McCain are REPUBLIFUCKS to begin with, and it's no surprise that a lot of Dems in name only are HRC fans.

The constant barrage of accusations that Hillary's comments are racially motivated are not helpful, either. Victims never win.

to do right now...there is a lot of grieving going on and we must sit back and let the process happen..

there is no comparison to what we felt in 2000. DU was started in response to the outright theft of the election.

No one in the Obama office or previous candidates conspired to disenfranchise thousands of voters against Hillary Clinton, no neocon protesters banging on Hillary offices shouting "get out now", or waving signs that say "sore loser-woman".

If Obama is the weaker candidate, why then does he have more pledged votes and more money via 1.5 million donors? If he is the weaker candidate, why then is he winning this race?

It's good to see you'll support Sen. Obama, but you and others have to come to terms with the facts - he out-campaigned her.

I just wanted Obama supporters to realize that Hillary fans are deeply disappointed, just as they would be.

I'd be bummed if the vote was reversed right now. I just hope in Nov you'll walk into a polling booth and pull the trigger for Obama

they haven't discharged their spleens across the DU over their disappointment.

I hope I have not misconstued your tone but......why are you being so bitchy?

The supreme court is at stake here. Please consider all that is at stake before saying you will sit this one out or vote for McCain. I have three young boys who will be very affected for years to come by your decision.

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Please, elaborate.

If you look closely, you'll see that there has been ugliness in both directions. And even if I were to agree that it were more one-sidedly directed at Clinton backers, I do not believe that is a reason to vote for McCain or abstain from voting. It is certainly one's prerogative to do these things (abstain, vote Republican), but that does not mean that it does anything other than objectively harm the country.

There's been plenty of nastiness from both camps on DU.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything other than to vote for the Democratic party nominee. If you don't like Obama, that's dandy with me, but you need to vote for him. I need you to vote for him. Your kids, your family, a shitload of military personnel, Roe v Wade...they need you to vote for Obama.

in 2008 it may be McCain. Its amazing that republicans are more capable of voting their interests this year than the democrats appear to be.

and perhaps you will get drafted. Nice way to see the world. Up to you.

I'm disgusted just as you are, and I do sense the false camaraderie in some of the recent posts...but never McCain.

How can you say that? This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

You're on the wrong website.

Ben David doesn't give a damn about your reproductive rights.

actual debris of his choice first hand.

You're just looking for an excuse to whine about Obama fans.

Next you'll be emphasizing his middle name, trying to "prove" he's a Muslim...

Oh wait, you did that already. :puke:

HRC supporters such as yourself are rendered off somewhere.
Fuck you.

are not as radical as you are...I have always wondered if you really are a dem...

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we call this spam

I give less than a shit who the bitter ass Hillary supporters vote for.

All these posts I've seen lately demanding Obama supporters kiss your asses is wearing thin.

This is your country, too. If the majority of you feel this way -- vote, don't vote -- you certainly will get the government you deserve, and will probably complain louder than anyone.

Bye.

:think:

You think this is about YOU. You think this is some fucking game or something and ONLY YOU MATTER.

Do me a favor and go look at some Iraq war pictures. Go look at the devastation of Katrina. Go read some stories about how people are dying because of no healthcare.

Go look at that and if you can still vote for McSame, you are a real peace of work.

This election is not about you or Obama or Hillary, this is about ALL OF US and the MANY THOUSANDS OF LIVES DEPEND ON IT.

My candidate (Edwards) lost and I didnt throw a hissy fit even thou I heard constant stories about how sleazy lawyers are.

YES WE CAN VS YES SHE CAN. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

STOP BEING SO FUCKING SELFISH. GROW UP.

Too bad they aren't paying more attention in class instead of posting here. Might be why they come across as so immature.

:eyes:

So much for the "tough fighters."

NGU.

Telling anyone that voting for McCain is good is a step toward the Pizza box.

I read from you yesterday?

Are you copy/pasting the same old post over and over?

FYI Ben, voting for McCain is not a good thing. It's a terrible idea for the planet, the occupation, women's right to choose, the economy etc....

by a minority of small posters on an internet forum, I feel very sorry for you. I could have Hillary supporters marching up in down my street in protest of my support for Obama, calling me every name in the book. I'd still vote her though, because I'm tired of seeing this



Allowing a Republican to win in November is your way of saying you want to see more

when we play nice and hill supporters act nasty anyway it really reflects on you. i am proud of the obama supporters here offering the olive branch in a gesture of peace. you can try to smack it out of our hands but, the overture has been made. we want to keep the party together, we are aware that there are people who don't want to bring the party together. i have my white flag up, hillary supporters.

If YOU don't vote for the Democrat, you are every bit as responsible for the events of the next four years as the Republicans ... every single bit. The blood WILL be on YOUR hands.

Filthy, un-Democratic Party, un-Democratic Underground SPAM.

“...told by an idiot, signifying nothing.”

See we're not all nice. We're only nice to people who support the democratic candidate. Whoever it ends up being.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5891107&mesg_id=5891107

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I think it is best to not respond to the cluster of threads that are of the "I absolutely refuse to vote for ____." And it is probably better to avoid even reading them. The vast majority of democrats will vote for our party's nominee in November.

and most folks, even those posting this crap, will quietly vote for the candidate in November

A few will stay home and a few will cross over

This is party realignment pure and simple

I know many, many democrats, from all types of backgrounds -- including many who have been doing groundwork for a possible Clinton run since 2000. And not a single one from real life are saying that they will refuse to vote for Obama. None of the real Clinton supporters, none of the Biden supporters, Edwards supporters, etc. That said, I do not put any weight on what some folks are posting on DU. I think they are full of baloney.

the Net tends to shall we say sharpen personalities and things you'd never say in person... people have NO PROBLEM saying on line

This is part of it

Even if some folks I know or you know IRL are thinking this... they will not say it.

That is why I think some will indeed stay home or cross... but when the time comes... it will be a very small number...

But this is the DLC loosing its power... as much as Obama is a centrist, he is not DLC

And that is making some really stump and huff on the internets...

Which is actually fun to watch... .

...or we'll hang separately.

Jeeze, is anyone seriously going to do that????

I have no sympathy for those saying they won't vote for our Democratic nominee. They aren't Democrats in my book then and deserve all the ridicule we can dish out while they troll a Democratic forum.

and will see, soon, that there is something more important then getting Hillary in the WH....and that's keeping McCain out.

Thanks.. we need more threads like this.. :toast:

and I'm seriously beginning to realize the only way I'll be able to do so --is to stay away from DU.


Everytime I convince myself that Obama will be a good President there is invariably some supporter of Obama's here that makes me not wish to support him.

Take that as you will.

We can't always pick our friends Maddie. If staying away from GD-P is what you need to do then I beg you to do it. You've seen what the right has done in 2000 and 2004. The Democrats will need every vote. Every vote!

I can't make people not be mean. Wish I could. I've tried to be respectful to Hillary supporters unless I was personally attacked first. I'm not going to try to convince you to like me. I'm not going to try and convince you to like Obama. I'm not going to try and convince you to like Obama supporters.

I just want you to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2008. I want you to vote for the democratic nominee because too much is at stake for us to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again.

What I don't see the need for is the total destruction of Hillary Clinton in the process.

I'm not accusing you of that either, BTW -- but I am tired of being thought of as 'hating Obama' merely because I am still defending Hillary Clinton.

You're a rockstar!

and I mean this will all respect cause your a great poster...she's doing it to herself. Think of what you want about Obama but if he were in her position now...he might still campaign but he'd put away the sword.

Works both ways.

Glad to hear you are voting Democratic

I would if the table were turned.

Obama is NOT.

:D

will be no ice in the arctic this summer. Polar bears and their cubs will drown trying to swim from ice floe to ice floe. we need someone who doesn't have their head up their ass and owe the corporations their soul. If people can't vote for the dem because have some burr up their ass and their ego is too big, vote for the fucking bears. Its already too late. do it for the next species that is going out. It probably will be us.

and you've summed it up for me. I felt the same way about Hillary. If she was the candidate, I would vote for her. I think that she is owned by the lobbyists and the corporate world though, so I would vote for her very reluctantly.

From my viewpoint, being an Obama supporter, it seems that the
Hillary supporters are the ones who call people names and don't act very rationally. Funny how your viewpoint is from the different sides, isn't it? Thanks for this logical post.

it's not a rant so much as it is a plea to Hillary supporters. Hell, I know I'm not going to reach many here on DU, but I'm hoping that if I can get a Hillary supporter on DU who's saying they wont vote for Obama to change their mind that maybe, just maybe they'll tell a friend who's thinking the same thing...and they'll tell a friend.

We, the Democrats, must have the White House in 2008.

but that small number of people have friends who don't read DU, so I'm hoping that they'll convince a friend, who can convince a friend, who can convince a friend that while they might not like Obama, and might not like Obama supporters, that the ONLY alternative to Obama at this point is McCain.

I agree with you 100%. But I think being a Black Man may be part of the reason.

K & R

I don't claim to be a nice guy or a orator or anything else.

That's not the point. The point is that no matter how ya slice it, Obama is a better choice than McCain. Hillary is a better choice than McCain too, but that's not the way the chips are going to fall.

We need Democrats to vote for Democrats. That's my message. That's it, and that's all.

they will vote for Barack.

But you keep harping on those that say they won't and pretending like the rest of us don't exist.

I don't really care, other than you're creating a false reality and then debating it.

very loud... and a very small group

And if this was reversed I can bet my sweet pie we'd seen the same thing

It is silly season, it's over... and now it is time to move on

and these OP's serve no constructive purpose whatsoever.

I think you're mistaken though. Most Hillary supporters on DU will support Obama...I think this is true. But many of them post on other pro-Hillary sites and if you've seen what's been going on on many of them, you might not be so quick to dismiss.

they will come around on their own, if they do. There is really not much we can do about it. Barack can, but we can't.

that shit about Hilllary. Talk about liars... now we're suppose to just forgive and forget your filthy campaign because you want all those Democratic issues.. Should have Thought! Don't say you didn't realize how you were coming across...all you had to do is read the opening page of DU:P. You were told repeatedly you were turning people off on Obama. You can't post outrageous lies about Hillary and just expect us to turn the other cheek. No, No, No!

and that's on you. I'm not Obama (nor have I been very aggressive in attacking Hillary). No one on DU is Obama. Obama has zero control over what they say on a web site. Hillary posters have been plenty nasty attacking Obama. Obama posters have been plenty nasty in attacking Hillary.

But if you're going to let that push you into voting for McCain or staying home, then everything you get from 2008 until 2012 or 2016 is on you. Not me. Not Obama. Not Obama supporters. It's on YOU.

Be mad at me if you want. Be mad at Obama. Be mad at his supporters, but for the sake of, well, damn near everything, you need to vote for him.

Or me.

Or nasty campaigns

Or nasty message boards

Or message board assholes.

This has to do with wether you want another 4 years of bush.

NOTHING ELSE

The point of advocating for your candidate is to convince people who are disinclined to vote for your candidate to abandon their preconceptions.

In my experience, the more vocal of Obama supporters are doing the opposite. They are reinforcing the preconceptions. To these "supporters", their primary metric of success is the validation they from showing how many Democrats are swinging to McCain. "Racist Republifucks! Go away! Hahaha!"

Many conservatives hate McCain. To their credit, McCain supporters are not using their victory as an opportunity to get retribution on their fellow Republicans. We, by comparison, have yet to pull our heads out of our asses.

You probably don't hate Obama as much as you hate Obama message board assholes.

The same can be said for Hillary and her message board assholes.

There just are proportionately more of us because there are more Obama supporters here.


Still its all just crap. The bottom line is do you want McCain?

If not there is but one choice.

supporters would for all the shit you Hillary supporters flung. Try thinking like a compassionate liberal. There are tons of people who need a Democrat in office. Not just want but need If you are so selfish that some sad little posts on the internet would keep you from helping people get health care, helping end the war, helping get the economy back on track, then there is no hope for you. Frankly if you vote for McCain you can rub some of that republican blood right onto your own hands. If a Democrat can end the war even 6 months earlier than a republican then lives will be saved. Frankly if you value your pride more than a human life then...

mostly because they're outnumbered about 3 or 4 to 1. This thing started well before most of us even knew who Obama was or even heard his name. I remember the DU fights over the "electability" of Hillary from a few years ago. Those of us in the anti-Hillary camp at the time admitted she would be a good president, vastly superior to bush, but that she would unite the opposition like no other Dem candidate could. They hate her that much. Just look at them now, Rush and his operation Chaos, Hannity, the rest... they are really afraid of Obama and feel their only chance is going up against Hillary. This uniting of the right was the fear a lot of us anti-Hillary DU'ers had before we ever heard of Obama. As a Kucinich supporter early on I felt pretty certain Hillary would get the nomination and I would then have to hold my nose and vote for her. And I still would vote for her if she pulls off some sort of miracle. But now, every time I hear Obama speak I know he is the one we need.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225980

Early, I was strongly ambivalent about Hillary.

In a 6-way democratic primary race, 41% of Iowa independents chose Obama. 40% of Republicans chose Obama. We have the candidate that the disruptors chose for us. I hope it backfires on them, but nevertheless, here we are.

I hope the disruptors vote for him in the general. I hope they vote for the downticket races.

Don't confuse "hope" with "optimism". We need every single Democrat.

Good republicans, ron paul supporters, independents and the 3.5 MILLION NEW VOTERS Obama registered (so far) will more than make up the difference.


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Do you really want 4 more years of Rethug rule? More justices like Alito and Roberts? More war? More of a deficit, less environmental regulations, corporate welfare? The list goes on and on. Ignore the dumb Obama supporters and suck it up. I'd support Hillary in a heartbeat over McLame and I don't even like her very much. Obama has never directly said Hillary's supporters suck or don't count as she has said. But really who cares anymore? We need to come together or face 4 more years of tryrannical rule.

It's not the Obama supporters. It's him. His record, his rhetoric, and his platform. An apology for those won't make them go away.

I am not a Clinton supporter.

We should all bow down to you, because you care! Thanks! :hi: