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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:42 PM
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Rahm Emmanuel: Obama Is Our Presumptive Nominee
Edited on Fri May-09-08 09:43 PM by realpolitik
"At this point, Barack is the presumptive nominee," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel during the New Yorker's magazine conference.

He does not suggest Hillary drop out, per se.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09/rahm-emanuel-obama-is-our_n_100992.html
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:43 PM
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1. From here forward that is the way he will be styled in all my posts.
We have our nominee.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:46 PM
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2. What a steaming pile.
No one gets the "presumptive nominee" title until they have 2025 pledged delegates in their corner.

Neither candidate does, and neither candidate will until August.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:52 PM
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5. Your avatar basically said the same thing today.
"He is likely to be the nominee"

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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:52 PM
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6. Rahm is old skool DLC.
And while I don't suggest anyone need to abandon their candidate based on Rahm's opinion, among centrists he is alleged to carry weight.

I found it interesting that he weighed in at this point. Particularly with the story of Obama offering to help Hillary with her campaign debt.

I think that Obama's offer to help with the Clinton debt says something
about his judgment, something good, IMO.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:10 AM
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17. Obama offering Clinton help
Edited on Sat May-10-08 07:16 AM by OzarkDem
was nothing more than an attempt to allow his corporate donors to bribe her into leaving the race, just as they're buying superdelegates with promises of campaign cash for their next race.

Russert was the first to leak the strategy and Obama's "offer" followed shortly. Apparently it was an idea floated in the "back room" strategy sessions where Wall Street, the DLC and the news media are attempting to subvert the primary and choose the candidate on their own.

Given the differences between Clinton and Obama on health care reform as well as Obama's recent change of direction on the issue to "negotiate reform later" it would appear the health insurance industry is using their influence over the DLC and Obama to get Clinton out of the race.

Why do we want corporations using their money to choose our elected officials and run our government?

As for me, I'd rather have the candidate the health insurance industries DON'T want.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:31 AM
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27. And...Obama has a history of forcing his opponets out of the race..
He's NEVER won a race outright. Axelrod scandalized his senate competitors into folding. Obama only wins by default!

Hillary isn't going anywhere!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:11 AM
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19. lol. you're going to be mighty disappointed come June- if not
before. What a tragedy. One thing is clear: The SDs have no intention of letting this go until the convention.

Hillaryisnot44
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:47 PM
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3. THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG
Emmanuel's political career was mde by the Clintons, but he's an Illinois politician.

No other super delegate in this year's race has been more between a rock and a hard place than Rham Emmanuel.

By calling Obama the presumptive nominee, he's indicted that it is definitely over. He would not risk alienating the people who made him and could break him if the regained the white house. Rham Emmanuel is the single most political animal in teh Democratic Party.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:38 PM
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10. It sure
looks like that.
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MirrorAshes Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:48 PM
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4. omg! he'll now be burned in effigy along w/ kerry, kennedy, richardson, etc
i dont think ive ever seen delusion this tangible. wow.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:56 PM
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7. Even the DLC get it Sen. Barack Obama is good for business. Donate a bit more to DNC folks.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:02 PM
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8. Harold Ford was alluding to it the other night as well --
although he was in favor of the Dream Ticket scenario.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:11 AM
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18. You mean donate to the DLC?
Since when do we support their agenda?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:03 PM
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9. ....
Admins should take note. Your instincts are correct.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:02 AM
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11. Hillary Kissinger/Rahm Emanuel 2012 --
Now let's get to sabotaging President Obama and undermining and backchannelling. The DLC shall not be inconvenienced.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:08 AM
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12. What are you rambling incoherently about?
nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:23 AM
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13. K&R
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:29 AM
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14. Tell that to SKINNER.... Hell... Tell it to the Marines!
Edited on Sat May-10-08 06:32 AM by Leopolds Ghost
:think:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:32 AM
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15. Wasn't Hillary The Presumptive in the beginning?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:05 AM
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16. Rahm: a bastion of Democratic Party principles
He works tirelessly to

Keep good paying jobs in the US

End the War in Iraq

Stop the Bush Administration from spying on Americans

Prevent lobbyists and corporations from controlling our government

Make government open, honest and accountable to the voters

:sarcasm:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:13 AM
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20. Rahm: Clintonian from way back. He's their protege.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:14 AM
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21. He is a Clintonite...tried and true...bought and owned..
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:17 AM
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22. He's a corporate DLC'er first and foremost
and apparently Obama has taken the corporate bribe, Clinton is choosing not to.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:31 AM
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28. LOL..Clinton is the queen of the DLC...please..Emanuel wouldn't be a DLCer if the Clintons didn't
stamp it with their approval.

Hillary is as much a corporate whore as Emanuel, Ford and the rest of the puke set...stop deluding yourself.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:18 AM
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23. Rahm's An Ass
If Obama wins the nom, any guesses into exactly how many days before Rahm starts trashing Howard Dean?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:24 AM
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24. Kind of odd, isn't it?
DU'ers who have criticized Rahm, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the Congressional DLC aristocracy are now praising them.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:28 AM
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25. Is Hillary no longer DLC aristocracy?
That would be news.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:36 PM
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31. I think this exposes a rarely seen conflict.
DLC realpolitik versus DLC ideology.

While no friend of the DLC, I would prefer them to favor the former.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:30 AM
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26. Yep
And don't forget the MSM, who were always nothing more than media whores, are now wonderful people as long as they trash HC and get tingly legs for BO.
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Missouri Girl Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:54 AM
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30. I don't think that anyone's praising him
They are just rightly pointing out that this guy probably had a lot to lose by endorsing Obama - if the race, were in fact, not really over. His loyalties and ties to the Clintons are strong. The fact that he said what he said - well, that speaks volumes about what he probably thinks. Even more important, that tells me (and probably others here) there is probably a large group of other SDs that will be moving.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:40 PM
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32. Oh, sorry.
Really, nothing in my post praises Rahm.

The OP is rorshach test in so much that I tried to simply, factually report that bit of news.

I do not agree with Rahm and the 'new democrat' target and triangulate strategy he represents.

This could be more about Illinois politics than national, but I somehow doubt it.

I think this is the pragmatic strategy stated best in 'The Law of Holes' which is to say, stop digging.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:21 AM
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29. Whose, exactly?
I think Dean will be the one to make that call, and he is wisely playing it cool for now.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:41 PM
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33. *Oh snap* That's gonna leave a mark!
I wonder wonder, whoooo-ooooo, who wrote the Book of Love.


Hahahahahahahaha!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:43 PM
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34. Rahm Emmanuel is our presumptive piece of shit.
A huge disappointment.
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