Obama supporters, it's time to start acting like winners

And that means no matter how upset you are by something Clinton or her supporters have said during the primaries, it's really time to move on. Winners don't sit around and complain about how mean their opponents were to them. They don't do that because it's moot point. You won, they lost, end of story. Time to move on to bigger and better things: in this case, the general election.

As for Clinton supporters, some of them are going to have grievances but that comes with the territory of losing. When Kerry lost in 2004 we spent countless hours talking about how the campaign Bush ran against him was absolutely disgusting. And frankly we had every right to. We firmly believed that Kerry was the better person for the job, but that he lost due to the dirty tactics used against him.

My point is that being it's okay to be a sore loser (for a certain period of time, anyway). Losing isn't fun. It's even less fun when you're very emotionally invested in a candidate like some Clinton supporters are. It's natural to be angry that your candidate lost.

Being a sore winner, on the other hand, is just plain stupid.

Clinton people!!! We need you!!!!

our ultimate goal:

are exactly why we haven't "moved on." Because from the beginning, the Clinton supporters have heaped vile abuse on Obama supporters, and you are still doing it. When your lunatic candidate finally slinks away and her deluded minions shut the hell up, we will start to "act like winners."

so how is this time for healing? isn't Obama supporters "acting like winners" going to piss of the clinton supporters who say "he hasn't won anything yet"?

it's a full blown war right now in the primary race, regardless of how absurd it is to even spend another dime on this primary since the result is now without question. until clinton drops out, it's full blown game-on. this whole question of "healing our party" is far different than "healing DU".

Healing our party I very much care about.

Healing DU not so much.

I am not one of the people who confuse DU with real life. I am also not one of those people who confuse the online rantings of people on internet message boards with the candidate that they support.

Frankly, in order to heal the party, we need Clinton to drop out ASAP. I will do everything in my power to make that happen, so that we can move to the next stage when we can start to heal.

Until that time, you're wasting time and spinning wheels. It's only going to get worse and it absolutely is NOT time to lay down arms. Unless the mods start to tombstone people :) which is a likely conclusion if this thing runs into June.

and its because i'm simply dumbfounded that these arguments aren't going away, and not only that, they are getting WORSE. as long as things continue down this path, with Clinton folks coming up with new arguments, metrics, divine intervention strategies, etc, Obama supporters HAVE to push back to some degree. For reality's sake.

Obama doesn't have the super delegate bomb yet, but the trickle is enough that she can't win and everybody knows it. As long as she's out by June, we can let her exit at her own pace.

That kind of stuff is not allowed to "go away at its own pace". It has to be addressed and shut down immediately.

General Elections are won in September and October, not in May.

If she stays in after June then we have a problem because Obama does need the summer to unite the party and raise money. But giving her until June to exit on her own terms is going to help unite the party in the long run.

I'm sorry, but you're not thinking clearly if you think she can't hurt Obama in the GE in three weeks.

Nobody is going to remember or care what she had to say about "hard working white voters" in a month or two because she will be old news.

Was Ted Kennedy in 1980. And that was useful because Kennedy took it all the way to the convention and was still fresh in the memory of the American people.

Hillary, like other primary opponents in the past, will be irrelevant once she drops out.

I have a feeling you will rescind that loony bin comment when it turns out I was right and she drops out well in advance of the convention.

But she IS TRYING to get it to go to the convention, and it could possibly happen.

Mostly because there is just no way for her to get there. Obama is going to get enough delegates that even if he seats Florida and Micighan with their fake elections, she can't win.

If at any point during this General Election you can point to an example where it has then PM me and prove me wrong.

1988: Al Gore runs Willie Horton ad against Dukakis. GOP picks up on it for the fall campaign. More than anything else, this sinks Dukakis.

And it didn't resonate because Al Gore just mentioned it as a screw-up by Dukakis. Bringing up Willie Horton wasn't the issue. It was public knowledge and any opposition research team would've had it in their file. Willie Horton was about how Lee Atwater elevated it from a fuck-up by Dukakis to a bigger issue about crime and race. Al Gore had absolutely nothing to do with that.

which is about what she's currently doing.

It isn't merely Obama that Hillary is harming with her desparate, scorched earth campaign. She harms the entire Democratic Party.

Obama is running on a platform of "change". Considering all of the ways in which the Republicans stymie the operation of the government, the Democrats need to get not only the presidency, but need to get more Democrats in Congress and other offices down ticket.

Clinton's divisiveness and her attacks on a fellow Democrat makes the party look weak, and can only hurt our candidates in the general election. Clinton is either very naive politically, or she is purposely sabotaging the party for not anointing her the nominee.

In either case, if she doesn't concede the nomination after the next round of primaries and throw her support to Obama, but rather insists on continuing the negative attacks on him, then the party has no choice but to shut down her campaign to prevent further damage to the entire party, not just Obama.

Until then, it continues.

Once they've let that anger out and had some time to reflect I firmly believe that they will come around to Obama.

In the meantime, let them do their thing.

You seem to think this is an attack by me on Clinton supporters. I am talking about the Clinton campaign itself. Did you watch CNN tonight?

They have a right to be angry and disappointed, but there are certain things that they can not do, are not allowed to do.

They can't TORPEDO our nominee, in any number of ways.

I don't think anybody is going to remember or care what Clinton and her supporters had to say about "hard working white voters" by September when this thing actually starts.

When I think she or her supporters are really trying to torpedo Obama, I will point it out. But right now I think it's just part of the grief cycle. I think Clinton herself is in the bargaining phase.

as you said: "they lost"

so why isn't the primary over? why is the nominee being dragged through the mud buy one of our own? to many people, it simply seems incredibly hurtful.

attempting to unite as Democrats before Clinton drops out is like trying to stop the tide. before it gets better, it will get worse. there is no way to stop it, except to declare a nominee and have Clinton exit the race.

You nailed it all around.


Even past what you said, though, EVERYONE needs to be more tolerant of what others say. We're not at war anymore. And everyone needs to be more considerate of others, as well.


Clinton folks are going to have some shit to dump on Obama folks, and Obama folks are going to have to deal with it- within REASON. And Obama folks, for the most part, your job is to listen.

Until HRC is forced out of the race, I'm NOT letting my guard down.

Trust me.


Clinton can't win.

I'm seriously concerned.

It's well over.


There's nothing to FEAR. This is fear, what you're talking about. Fear on either side hurts us, you have to stop the cycle.

:popcorn:

and it will be difficult to do.

If they post anything, it is time to fully ignore them,

Especially the real bad BS that is meant to get your blood boiling

No more questions

I had my fun, and I gave them reasons why it is time to unify behind the presumptive candidate

They will do that (most of them) in due time.

It is never fun to loose, but it time to disengage... and just let them have a very nice echo chamber.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/clinton-continues-attacks-on-obama.html

It's still happening.http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/09/clinton-keeps-up-attacks-on-obama-goes-after-health-care-plan/ >

She can't help herself. Before any Clinton supporter tells anyone to back off, they should tell their candidate to stop the negative attacks on our presumptive nominee. And, all those people who thought she needed to take some time to "process" the situation (which is a very bizarre concept, by the way)....well, she's using that time to attack Obama.

By letting Hillary continue her assault on Obama, her supporters and her campaign are all aiding and abetting McCain and his quest for a third Bush term. We'd much rather be fighting the battle against McCain. But, it's the "deluded also-ran" (the AP's words, not mine) who keeps the intra-party fight going.

There will be no unilateral disarmament. To even suggestion is just fucking stupid.

the nominee?

Now OBAMA supporters are denying the truth?


What, do you want to just keep fighting? WTH is wrong with you?

... I am denying that they are the same thing.

He's the nominee today just as he is one month, three months from now.

EDIT: Bah - lotta typos tonite. Getting tired.

:)

I was confident of the outcome since wisconsin. You may forget the horrible shit we had to put up with in the beginning around here - but a lot of people havent. Yes, we should be gracious, but it doesn't mean there are times when it isn't difficult.

that has already lost, is so dead-on.


If us Obama supporters can not work out that Clinton has nothing to lose and her supporters will, in their rights minds, only respond to honey, not vinegar, then we all deserve to lose.


We have to get our shit straight.

Look - I'm a Clinton supporter who agrees with you. The chances of Clinton winning this are very very slim. The only thing that would give her the nomination is if Obama goes completely down the tubes because of some MAJOR misstep on his part - or becasue of a HUGE scandal - much worse than the Wright stuff.

It doesn't look like that's going to happen.

I simply cannot figure out why Obama people would continue to act like losers when it is about 90% sure they have won. Instead of reveling in their victory - they continue to beat up on the losers.

:hi:

From earlier today....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5906764&mesg_id=5906764

And yes, we should act like winners --- because Obama will be our nominee.

We have never needed a Democrat in the White House more than we need one NOW!

Love this graphic! LOL

I for one and most Obama supporters have not been running around gloating or rubbing anything in about a win by Obama. So for you guys to come at us like this is just wrong.

Is this the type of people Clinton supporters would like to be? Do you know that we understand how you feel and we are not provoking any type of behavior toward you, by gloating or behaving in any way to provoke you to dump on Obama?

Lets face it, all bashing is going to do is to continue a battle. Regardless of how much anyone tells Obama supporters to take a bashing.

Obama's campaign is succeeding based on the premise that it is time for a "change" in the way Washington does business. To accomplish this change, we need a strong, united party.

Clinton's desperate, scorched earth campaigning and her bad-mouthing Obama presents an image of a weak, divided party. This not only hurts the party in the presidential race, but hurts Democrats running for Congress and down ticket races. Clinton is sabotaging the entire Democratic Party.

If she doesn't bow out and throw her support to Obama after the next round of primaries, then the party, for self-preservation, has to shut down her campaign. From here on out, her negative campaigning can only damage the party.