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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:46 PM
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This needs to stop!
I’m not an internet warrior. I devote a lot of my time to the DFL (Minnesota’s special name for Democrats) as an officer within my party unit. On caucus night, I saw both candidates bring new people to the polls. As a leader in my area, I was thrilled with the results. Grassroots politics is the only way to get real change enacted on the local, state, and national level. These candidates helped!

Now, as a yellow dog Dem, I am disgusted. What Senator Clinton is doing goes against everything that my party stands for. How can I work at building diversity in my district when a prominent party figure is saying that white folks won’t vote for a black man? I don’t work my tail off to have someone speak against what the Democratic Party stands for. I will NOT let Clinton screw up what dedicated Democrats have been working for. How am I supposed to engage people when she is allowing hate to be spewed in her name in the best interest of the party?

Oh-and electablity my ass. As a politically active person, people usually like to tell me their opinion. I have had so many people tell me that they like Obama that are in the only groups that matter (because lets face it, new voters and independents choose candidates at any level in politics). I have yet to find a Hillary supporter within that group. Amazingly enough, many are working white folks without a college degree. These are people in the district that gave Congress Minnesota’s freshman embarrassment, Michelle Bachman. Like it or not, they are the ones who will decide the election, along with the new people Obama brings into the party.

If the ugly statements would not have been made, I would have had no problem with the race continuing. Both candidates energized the base. Ego has taken over the common good and it is not okay. It needs to stop before this sabotage does serious damage to candidates up and down the ticket. I see this as a personal attack on the work that many of us do for our local political parties. Clinton needs to stop making our jobs harder and get out of the way.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:50 PM
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1. I feel your frustration Kixel, the divisiveness that is being used now as a last ditch effort to win
is toxic and destructive
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:51 PM
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2. I think all this paranoia is highly exaggerated.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:58 PM
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3. paranoia is irrational
your use of the word in this context is irrational

fact: until clinton went negative obama won in all national polls against mccain

now, her negatives went up... his went up... and WE are the losers

statistical, provable fact

nothing irrational or "paranoid" about it

you want to poo poo the potential diminution of the progressive and minority base of the democratic party?

the GOP is accepting registrations
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:00 PM
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5. You want me to join the GOP for experessing an opinion?????
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:02 PM
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7. I agree
People who don't see that are not looking at the big picture on this one.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:59 PM
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4. k/r nt
thanx for posting
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:01 PM
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6. Minnesota is far enough away from the Ohio RIver.
:shrug:


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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:04 PM
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9. Hmm...
Is that why are working class white folks favor Obama? There's something in the water of the Ohio... :P
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:27 PM
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10. My ancestors on my father's side came from there.
Edited on Fri May-09-08 11:31 PM by TahitiNut
The primary ancestral migration routes were ...
Virginia -> West Virginia -> Kentucky -> Ohio -> Michigan
New Jersey -> Pennsylvania -> West Virginia -> Ohio -> Michigan

Some on the patrilineal line settled in eastern Indiana, where there's a county named after them.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:03 PM
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8. THIS will stop ONLY when HRC drops out of the race. Until then she's dangerous. eom
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:36 PM
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14. How is she dangerous? Man, people here say silly shit like that all the time and it just goes
Edited on Fri May-09-08 11:37 PM by Skip Intro

unchallenged.

I'm asking you, in what way is she "dangerous?"

That word implies that there is something in danger, something must be in danger if something else is dangerous, yes? What is it that's in danger? To what is she a threat?

Didn't lose you, did I?
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:25 AM
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16. Hillary is doing for the Democratic Party what Bush is doing for the Republican Party.
Her backstabbing -- "McCain is more suitable as Commander-in-Chief" -- and her race-baiting --"She can get more white votes than Obama" -- makes the entire Democratic Party look foolish.

If the Democrats can't win in November, it will be Hillary's fault. If she doesn't willingly pull out of the race after the next group of primaries, the Democratic Party better shut down her campaign. If the party doesn't, they will look like a bunch of WEAK LOSERS, and that would be the biggest boost to McCain that he couldn't possibly get any other way.

Contrary to Hillary supporters' constant prattle, she doesn't project strength for the Democratic Party, but rather her campaign displays a frantic desperation that connotes weakness within the Democratic Party.

Clinton ran a strong campaign that, until now, was good for the party. It is time for her to bow out and throw her support behind Obama in the run up to the general election.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:02 AM
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18. Using Repuke framing is campaigning directly for Repukes--
--and against ANY Dem nominee, no matter who it is.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:29 PM
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11. many of us share your frustration
and i think we need to do everything possible to stop it from happening

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:33 PM
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12. Elaborate: "What Senator Clinton is doing goes against everything that my party stands for"
How do you mean that, exactly? In what way does what Hillary's "doing" go against everything the party stands for? And what, exactly, is she "doing?"
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:43 PM
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15. I'm sorry-I though that was clear
The race baiting and more importantly, permitting the race bating.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:32 AM
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21. Can you not see it, Skip Intro?
I have tried very much to be objective, considering that I didn't start out as an Obama supporter from the start and actually had planned on voting for Clinton if Edwards didn't make the cut in my caucus.

Can you not see these things that we now see about Hillary? Do you see it differently? Why is it, do you suppose, that so many Obama supporters see things so differently than Clinton supporters?

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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:34 PM
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13. K/R
Had this come out of the mouth of McCain folks would be foaming at the mouth.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:29 AM
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17. That is NOT what she said. Why is there always so much exaggeration coming from Obama supporters?
She quoted an article.

END OF STORY!
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:55 AM
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19. yeah, right, whatever you say pirhana
Why should we believe our own lying eyes?

:eyes:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:23 AM
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20. do you have a link to that article she quoted?
I'd like to see what she was quoting from
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