At long last, it seems to me we're finally seeeing some 'last throes'.

The Dick promised us 'last throes' years ago. He never delivered. but I've had a taste for them since.

Well, it appears we'll all get to see them ..... indeed, maybe we already are.

I think Clinton knows its over. I think she's resolved to not being the nominee. I think she'll stay in for Kentucky, West Virginia, and Puerto Rico, where she will win walking away. I think she's doing this so she can go out on a high note. I also think she's doing it for the money. Raise as much as she can. Spend as little as possible. And put back the cash she stole from Bill's sock drawer.

The more rabid of you may want her out yesterday.

I don't much care. She's already irrelevant. Can completely pathetic (as opposed to just plain pathetic) be far behind?

Now ..... if only we had a nominee that a hell of a lot more than half the party liked we'd be in good stead.

It's too bad; balkanization is never a good thing.

The party's divided. Obama needs to do something quick to rally the troops, or his much-ballyhooed victory will be pyrrhic.

I know that, to some, anyone who doesn't love Obama and who posts here is flamebait, but that's just not so.

"Now ..... if only we had a nominee that a hell of a lot more than half the party liked we'd be in good stead."

Do you have a link asserting only half of the party likes him?

said they would not vote for him?

That's alarmingly high.

And if you don't think the party is fractured currently, you haven't been paying attention.

And, yes, I'm voting for Obama so no need to scream at me.

Please, don't insult me, you, and her.

and what does her margin in Indian have to do with the fact that half her supporters said they wouldn't vote for Obama in the GE?

candidate, the true Dems will vote for the Dem, and the disillusioned rethugs will vote for the Dem. This could be a black man. I just think that would be wonderful, especially because I have so much faith in this man!

"this could be a black man."

Maybe I'm dense but who could be a black man?

'Brothers and Sisters' on ABC?

but not recently, because I keep nodding out late on sundays. :) why?

It's a great show! And tomorrow night it might happen. I watched a taped deal from last week.

he was a serial dater who couldn't commit. So I guess I"m running way behind.

As this is still her party and a party leader would not leave such wreckage in her wake.

Look at her merry band.

All the party elders from the Clinton years. Including that maniac, McAuliffe. The one who left the party apparatus in shambles.

Just sayin'

Edit to add ..... no I am NOT asserting that the popular vote carries weight apart from stuff like this. He has the delegates and that's all that matters. I'm not a fan of moving goal posts and crazy people like McAuliffe telling us not to believe what our eyes and heads tell us.

Edit again to add this from Real Clear Politics:

Popular Vote Total Obama: 16,003,521 49.5% Clinton: 15,266,942 47.3%

They then do permutations of this with and without Florida and Michigan and with estimates for Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and Washington (State). The percentages don't change much.

The winner per the rules is the winner and I hope everyone gets behind him, but those people who voted for Clinton probably vary widely in their 'like' for Obama. I expect the flip is true for Obama voters.

There's been a great deal of antipathy built up in this cycle. Both, in my view have fanned it, but she's been far better (worse?) at it than he has.

And then there are people like me who never wanted either one of them and saw no reason whatever to flip to them when the race was down to two. I still see no reason to support either one except for the D after their name. And I will vote for the eventual nominee, no matter who it is. I may even work for the nominee.

For a party that was supposed to be an embarrassment of riches with respect to the candidates this cycle, I can honestly say that none of then fired me up. I had a horse. He didn't get past the quarter pole. Good thing it was only a two dollar bet.

Clintons are devious and conniving..and their helper-remoras are even worse..

and work to remove them
thats what we are doing here
we are forming a pac to fund non DLC candidates and working the roots to depower them all

i was there last year
great land
wonderful people
excellent diving
free rum
great cooking (except the BBQ they need some work on the BBQ)
if anyone here can get me on the ballot ill go and run against her in PR myself
(anyone here ever seen an actual puerto rican?i dont think the race issue will play well in PR for her its truely the one place ive traveled where race isnt an issue they are all a little something and a little something else)




and to all my virgin island friends i still love you too
great spices and herbs
wild oregano
bay leaf like nowhere else on earth
fresh cinnamon bark
nutmeg
soursop
and a cinnomon basil i never tasted the likes of before

She befriended a stray dog on the beach and flew her back to St. Louis as a pet.

She was my ex at the time, but that typifies the reason I fell in love with her in the first place.

I grew up with lots of them. I also have had Puerto Rican clients and spent a fair bit of time in Ponce and San Juan.

they are super nice folks
but still bad BBQ

I can't speak to their BBQ. I don't know that I've ever had it.

they cant work it over a fire worth crappo
my ribs were cold and the caul wasnt removed and the pulled pork was sorry
it amazed me because i saw a lot of other foods (more native i guess) that was exceptional
it was like someone had been to the US
had some BBQ and decided to do it back home and then a copy of that copy etc etc devolving down to a standard of terrible BBQ
i wish i had more time to work on it while i was there because the local favorite ingredients along with a touch or 2 from nearby islands could make an awesome BBQ style all its own
the main point they missed was that steaming the pork pre fire is essential

Sorry Biden didn't make it, I don't know why supporters of other candidates can't get over it.

You and a few others keep clinging to the notion that if someone doesn't like Obama they are automatically a Clinton supporter. There is another option: NEITHER.

For a time I posted a lot of anti Obama and a bit of pro Clinton stuff just because of the rabid, cock-sure, uncompromising, hateful, obnoxious way of *some* Obama supporters. I guess that got misread. But I defy you to show me to be a Clinton supporter. And no matter how much I post replies like this, some people have their minds made up and claim to know what I'm thinking.

Whatever .......

And that "Can't get over it"

How did you feel when Leslie Blitzer said that to us when Bush stole it????? Some of us STILL aren't 'over it' and that line, perhaps more than any other, is like a red cape in front of a bull to some people.

Like me.

I have NOT gotten 'over it'.

As Fat Nino wants me to and as, apparently, you want me to.

I think I pretty specifically said Biden, which past posts show to be true. There's no reason to snark against one or the other, if you truly don't have a preference. And yet you do. For some reason, supporters of other candidates blame Obama for their candidate's loss, as if his presence was the block rather than the candidate's failure to inspire.

I have no idea where *that* came from.

Here's the deal. I had no particular candidate. I was infatuated with a few of them. Biden was one. So was Richardson. So was Dodd. Surely was Kucinich. I am sure I said complimentary things about all of them. But to single me out as a Biden *supporter* would just be flat wrong.

But maybe more to the point ..... do you (or your posse) research me? *If* I said anything complimentary about Biden, it *may* have been in a few posts. But it was **hardly* a pattern.

But if you're researching me, I'm flattered. I didn't realize I mattered that much to you. :blush: :hug: :blush:

Quick .... what kind of cigars did I used to smoke???

There's no reason to like Biden, Dodd, Richardson, everybody - but then just pick Obama out and decide to hate on him, and especially to say half the party doesn't like him when there's no evidence of that at all. And excuse me all to hell for paying attention to what people write.

I wasn't sad when Edwards left. I would not have been sad to see Obama or Clinton go early on. The more I saw of Obama, the less impressed I became.

I don't 'hate' Obama. I find him insubstantial. Many think he's just "all that". I don't. That's not hate. Where do yu get 'hate' from?

You're a bit linear.

edit to add ..... once again ..... please answer the "Get Over It" thing.

I think that's pretty self-explanatory and necessary for anybody when dealing with a disappointment or loss, esspecially to avoid things like transference so that the disappointment doesn't get directed at people who have nothing to do with the loss.

You know what you mean by it. I know what you mean by it.

But you'll never admit it. Better to deflect that own up, right?

and stop projecting their disappointments onto Obama, which is what I said in my first post.

Don't gloss over it. Its obnoxious. The line, that is. Not the glossing over. That's just old fashioned avoidance.

NT!

GORE

but i doubt its gonna happen

He was my first choice this go-round.

this race and will probably happen again one day. We do want this fight to be fair right ?