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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:44 AM
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Beware the 'Chicken Little wing' of the Democratic Party!
We cannot allow ourselves to be demoralized or needlessly frightened by those Democrats without a set of stones; you know exactlythe ones I mean, I bet--- the ones who shout "Doomed! We're DOOMED!" every time some worthless poll comes out showing something they perceive as 'bad' or 'foreboding'.

The best advice is to ignore single polls, especially polls which are at variance with the remaining polls.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:45 AM
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1. It's not the polls we fear. It's the breathless media coverage about them.
n/t
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:47 AM
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3. And fearing that does what that is productive?
It doesn't register a single voter, it doesn't canvas a single neighborhood, it doesn't update a single voter list, etc., so what good does it do our cause, exactly?

:shrug:
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:55 AM
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7. Oh, I agree. I'm just saying that I don't worry about the poll itself.
It's just that there's only so much one person can do. How many undecided voters turned on CNN today and thought, "Heh. Kerry got a negative bounce from his convention. Man, he's lame."?

I can help mobilize voters in my neighborhood. I can make campaign donations to Kerry (well, not anymore). But when all is said and done, my reach is infinitessimal compared to Bill Hemmer's.

The media cannot be defeated. Our only hope is to manipulate it and bend it to our will.

-MR
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:46 AM
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2. Amen, Brother Padraig. That is the truth.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:48 AM
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4. On the other hand
we can't be pacified by threads which claim "98% Chance of Kerry Winning".

They are not only silly but counterproductive. Anything...ANYTHING can happen.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:52 AM
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5. exactly both are counter productive
It is going to be a very even race with one candidate or the other leading by a couple of points going back and forth right up to the final weekend, where I predict there will be a big break at the last minute for Kerrry.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:54 AM
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6. I agree with your analysis.
:thumbsup:
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 03:16 PM
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14. If Bush gets a real bounce...
after his convention, then we are going to have to come back to this issue.

Some of these Chicken Little questions can't be settled until then.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:55 AM
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8. I am a Democrat completely lacking "a set of stones"
I do have a very strong spine and a cast-iron gut, however.

And I am NOT afraid.

Equating "a set of stones" (or any other euphemism for testicles) with courage is sexist.



Tansy Gold
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 03:35 PM
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15. It's not sexist.
It's only sexist in your narrow, ultra-PC definition; in the real world, it's a completely normal expression.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 05:14 PM
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17. You're right.
It's not sexist at all.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 07:34 PM
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19. Oh BS. It IS sexist
It implies that strength comes having from testicles.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 07:46 PM
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20. Oh, baloney!
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 07:50 PM by Cuban_Liberal
Anyone who thinks it's sexist is devoting 8 PC cylinders to a 2-cylinder issue, and demonstrating precisely the way in which the 'ultra-mouthy, ultra-PC wing' of our party manages to alienate a good portion of the electorate who should otherwise support our party, based on issues...

:eyes:
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 07:46 PM
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21. It's a completely "normal" expression if you've got 'em.
I don't. I can't. Does that mean I can't have courage?

It's normal in a male-dominated, male=strong, brave, manly world. In a world where you'd never acknowledge someone's bravery by saying, "Wow, he's got tits, man, real tits."

There's too much use of gender-specific terms to identify strength and/or wimpiness ("What a pussy!"), and of course I'm sure the people who think it's just fine aren't those who are being denigrated by it.


Tansy Gold, sin cojones y orgullosa
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doctorbombeigh Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:59 AM
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9. Bush re-elect numbers continue to circle the drain
It's been that way for months. "Right track/wrong track" has been going exactly the same way for them. These are the polls that matter.
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 12:09 PM
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10. IMHO the polls are bs
They are skewed to make it look close so that theft of the election can still be covered up or explained away.

I honestly think Kerry will win in a landslide if the voting is fair.


TWL
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 12:34 PM
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11. That would be the "Henny Penny" wing.







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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 12:41 PM
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12. The polls.....
are going to go back and forth from now til November. Noone who is familiar with politics expected for us to get a HUGE bounce after the convention because we were already fired up and united, unlike in previous conventions. The IMPORTANT thing to remember is the TREND is changing. People are TIRED of the lies and deception of dubya and his administration. MOST voters feel like the country is NOT headed in the right direction. Bush has done ONE good thing for this country...he has caused us democrats to get united and we are all on fire to remove his arse.

:kick:
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Chipperback35 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 02:57 PM
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13. Don't be Chicken Little, But use the fear as fuel.
Edited on Mon Aug-02-04 03:03 PM by Chipperback35
I'm not worried about the polls right now, but I am worried for the long term, because our adversary has proven that if they are close enough to steal it they will steal it.

I'm fearful of that happening again. If you are as well....

1. REPORT FOR DUTY
Give your local town committee, party committee, candidate, etc whatever you got. Answer some phones, register some voters, get the word out, speak out. Whatever your talent is DO IT!

2. Make sure Kerry carries your family.
The biggest "battleground state" is at the dinner table. If somebody thinking Bush, show them why they aren't thinking straight. If mom, dad, brother, sister, girlfriend, boyfriend, etc is not registered to vote, get 'em on board.

Am I afraid? HELL YES I AM!!!
We have an opposition who will outspend us and they will say and do anything to win. They have a base that is strong and they are hoping they we aren't.

How we can beat them?

1. We got the candidate. Kerry wasn't my first choice, but so far he and John Edwards are staying strong and resolute. If they are willing to go to the wall, I'm willing to go, too.

2. We got the issues. President Bush built a budget deficit at home and a credibility deficit abroad. We have a proven record of responsibility on both issues and there is no need to run from it.
And if they go to "God, Gays, Guns and Old Glory", we can beat them there, too.

3. They talk the "big tent", we pitch the "big tent". Our diversity is our strength, and in 2004 we have to play to it to win.

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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 04:56 PM
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16. Like the poor, they will always be among us...
:shrug:
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 06:20 PM
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18. True. But I believe in being realistic, as well as optimistic.
I don't believe in reading one great poll as the be-all and end-all of a sure victory.

Both ways are overreacting, IMO.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 11:07 PM
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22. As a certain ex-candidate says
FEAR ENDS. HOPE BEGINS.

Polls don't mean sh*t right now. Most show a close race, with a 4% margin of error. IOW, MEANINGLESS.

And also consider the polls with Nader included, and it gets even more ludicrous. Nader won't even be on most ballots this year, which makes him all but irrelevant.

In the meantime, keep on keeping on. Spread the message. Don't just talk about how bad BushCo is, but talk about how GOOD Kerry/Edwards ARE.

ABB is good, but it only gets us 45% of the vote. Get another 6% by playing up our ticket, and we have an untouchable victory.
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