What does it say about Obama, our presumptive nominee, if he loses badly in WV tomorrow

to a candidate that "doesn't have a chance"?

Don't give me this "WV doesn't matter" .... If this race is over, why are people still voting for Hillary?

Pretty embarrassing for Obama, you've got to admit.

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The dems there are more like republicans.

WVA is 10 years behind the times.

ITs embarrassing to Clinton that only a state that is so behind the times
would support her strongly.

There are a lot of DU'ers who either live there, are from there, or have family and/or friends there. West Virginia is a beautiful state and has a lot going for it.

Education doesn't ensure manners, so there's nothing to brag about if you're closer to the top of the list.

so stop your self-righteous indignation.

I know the state, I know there are good people there, but there are a hell of
alot of ignorant people there too.

There is NO economy, its cold 9 months of the year,
in some counties there is toilet paper in the trees after a flood
because people dump their sewage in the creeks.

You stop with your self-loathing condemnation of good folks.

What I've found is that pretty much everywhere I go, I find people who fulfill my expectations. I wouldn't be surprised if you have the same experience.

People can judge for themselves, listen to someone as yourself who did not live in the state
or someone who did and still has contacts there.

Maybe it means you want to make money off West Virginia, but you sound like you're prejudiced against poor folks. Sounds like you're ashamed of them or something. I hope your "contacts" don't harbor the same antipathy towards their fellow residents as you harbor towards West Virginians. People know when others look down on them.

I'm in Oregon, but a couple years ago I wanted to move back South. My number 1 choice of where to reside? West Virginia.

He has the nomination. She is just exercising her jaw at this point.

And most of WV is not too progressive if you know what I mean.

We have a winnah!

Have you ever been to South Dakota? I have, and let me tell you - everyone looks the same.

What does that really say about West Virginia?

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But West Virginia was always going to be a tough state for him. Although she did campaign a lot harder there than he did.

And I am not calling him our presumptive nominee yet...not until Clinton drops out. I have been calling him the "almost presumptive nominee" since last Tuesday. But he's not the presumptive nominee until the party establishment is united behind him.

That state is #1 for her as is pertains to demographics. He'd lose to just about any white politician there. I hate to say that, but I'd bet money on it. I'd say the embarrassment should be with WV voters who buy her fake persona and accent.

It also doesn't mean very much. Obama is going to win in Oregon and is going to be our nominee.

...who ISN'T named Clinton.

who knows how he will do in the GE when he is the only dem running...

When you have a large group of people who carry the Confederate flag, and still believe in it, there is a problem

It isn't embarrassing for Obama, it is embarrassing for WV that they continue to vote against their own interests

became the enemy there over coal.

good point

Perot was not a factor, even Dukakis carried the state.

and was won by Carter in 1980 and 1976. Clinton won West Virginia in 1992 and 1996.

Democrats can, have, and do win West Virigina.

since the enviromental standards against coal started being brought up. They aren't stupid they know we think coal is dirty.

I wonder how many carbon emissions bills Byrd and Rockerfeller have voted for.


They have contoll over their senators...they have no control over a President.

So I'm not sure why they would carry a Confederate flag. :shrug:

I'm just having a problem understanding why. Unless they're wannabes or from another state. Because West Virginia split from Virginia when Virginia ceded from the Union.

Doesn't mean I didn't see them in Indiana or in the T of PA.

the "Confederate" states.

The issue of slavery and flags don't amount to much in this instance.

It just means WV voters prefer Clinton.

It's an older demographic who has more traditional views. Clinton is a traditional politician who appeals to them more than Obama does.

Nothing more.

She explained how it was to go door to door and try to explain a little bit about Obama. Her view was that a lot of people just wouldn't talk about it. They know Clinton from the past and feel safer with someone that they already know. Evidently WV doesn't take to "change" as easily as some other states. I'll try and find that thread but it does say that Obama will really have to work to familiarise himself with these folks for the GE (if he is the nominee).

NC would win.

I mean how many times did we hear them ridicule Obama's wins in red states by big margins as insignificant?

they keep mentioning my nationality.
Bush won the state -if I remember correctly- by double digits in the last 2 elections.

It's really quite easy ... many just don't have the blind faith and trust in him that evidently you do.

no one has ever won the White House without winning West Virginia.

that repig is so jealous that he was kicked out of congress.

In the end, no harm no foul. Obama wins.

I'd be more embarrassed for WV than for Obama.
They're not big on change, but they'll be fine with Obama once they get used to him being in the WH.

And for that matter WTH does it say about our Nation that we elected Shrub TWICE? Wasn't the first time bad enough? Apparently not.

If your candidate and supporters end up damaging the nominee, what have you won? What is your end game? Tell us your end game. To overturn things at the convention? How does that help the democratic party in November? How does that help all those democrats on the down ticket? Tell us in a way that makes sense. And if it were reversed and Obama was doing what Hillary is doing, how would you feel?

and a LOT of fraud in the second one.

many of us do not believe he was elected either time.

is this.

This is why I'm thinking of becoming an Independent....because if these WV maidens are part of the Democratic party, I'm gone. They have the same stupid look on their face that the Purple bandaid repugs had on theirs. :eyes:

god it's downright disturbing....

the popular vote, the pledged delegates, the super delegates, and the most states? Cuz whatever WV says about Obama, it aint is bad as what the country as a whole is saying about Hillary.

You know Kerry lost states after he was our presumptive nominee too, right? What did that say about him?

I look forward to your answers.

And Kentucky too.

:eyes: The supers should give it to Hillary. I mean, if he can't win WV, how can he win in November. :eyes:

Are you going to answer my questions?

There's nothing else to say.

knowing they'll get another chance to vote for the handsome Black guy next.

It is incredible. Here we have one of the closest races ever, and Hillary and a popular ex-president are spending millions of dollars trying to defeat Obama, and he won't win every state. I mean, he will win the popular vote, the pledged delegates and the most states but... he won't win EVERY state. What does this say about his chances in November? I mean, every time we have our presumptive nominee, they go on to win all remaining primaries, right?

less primary season. They each have their own strong demographics and that hasn't changed.

She can't win in 31 other states?

Simple as that!

Want to waste another thread on something totally meaningless? Since when is a state with a total population under 2 million THAT important?

Fortunately the rest of the country is more progressive and can see the writing on the wall if we don't turn this country around.

who don't use their vote in the best way possible. Their vote was wasted on Bush and will be wasted on HRC. I suppose it is their right.

He's the nominee, they'll either vote for him in Nov or they won't. Either way, hillary still loses.

Huckabee still won a few states even after he was mathematically eliminated.

Clinton has been mathematically eliminated since the Wisconsin primary but she's still won a few states.

So basically what it means is that she's forcing Obama to spend money fighting her bullshit instead of McCain's bullshit.

nothing more, nothing less

So Hillary trouncing Obama in WV is not much of a surprise.

Byrd renounced the Klan and expressed his profound regret decades ago.

Sound like something Hannity would say. And has said.

We are better than that.

No change.

and they had two children, and lived in WV. A few years later, my friend's wife filed for divorce and married her first cousin. Yes, you heard that correctly. She married her mother's sister's son. And, this isn't as uncommon in WV as you might think.

My friend's children's aunt and uncle by marriage, became their step-grandparents.

My friend likes to say that his children now have "Aunt Grandma and Uncle Grandpa."

There is a different mindset there among many.

Not a damn thing more.

He'sll still win the nomination, and when the process is complete, he'll win the office of President of the United States as well.

yep, good point. I thought that was weird, hadn't heard anyone else bring that up.

There's not many people moving TO WVA, so I guess they have a smaller field to pick from.

Yech.

If you'd like to see just how badly Obama is actually polling in the next 3 contests, see the following OP at DU:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5933455&mesg_id=5933455

Here's a graphic I made of composite polls in Kentucky, West Virginia, and Oregon. Also included on the graphic is a summary of polls showing, among other things, that Obama will lose both Florida and Ohio to McCain, while Hilary will win both states.



And lest anyone has forgotten, Obama was blown away by Clinton in California -- the largest state in the Union.

Of course, that doesn't help your lame arguemnt, though, does it?

And how bad of a candidate is Hills if she can't beat a poor black man with a funny name?

She must really suck.

I don't expect her to know what to do with it.

"I won't vote for Obama. He's a Muslim and his wife's an atheist." "I'm not a racist but I'd rather vote for a full-blooded American." And on and on...

You may as well have said ALL Clinton supporters are racists. Isn't that what you meant to say?

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What's embarrassing is the lack of respect the Clinton campaign shows the rest of the party when they try to act like WV votes in a vacuum. There have been over 40 primaries and caucuses already and Obama has won the majority of them along with the delegates and popular vote and whatever measure Hillary's chimps decide to use as the daily yardstick.

It's over, pirhana. Peddling spin and lies won't help Hillary any more because all she can do now is make an ass of herself and her supporters.

You can vote on principle for whomever you prefer, and she's been polled as a blowout in WV all along.

Why would a die-hard anti-Obama voter to switch over and vote for him just because he's close to winning?

IN the general she would lose in WV by a lot. The state isn't goingto vote for a black man or a white woman.They are not evolved enough yet.

I saw CNN idiot John King last week discussing West Virginia for five minutes without ever once mentioning the word, "Appalachia." He did, however, say that Obama would not do well in WV because there is a low number of African-American voters. I guess this brilliant analyst forgot about Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Utah, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Vermont, and Wyoming.

To lose the following contests by margins larger than 20%

The stats are:

Idaho (+63 Obama)
Obama: 80%, HRC: 17%

Hawaii (+52 Obama)
Obama: 76%, HRC: 24%

DC (+51 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 24%

Alaska (+49 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 25%

Kansas (+48 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 26%

Washinton (+37 Obama)
Obama: 68%, HRC: 31%

Georgia (+35 Obama)
Obama: 66%, HRC: 31%

Colorado (+35 Obama)
Obama: 67%, HRC: 32%

Minnesota (+34 Obama)
Obama: 66%, HRC: 32%

Illinois (+32 Obama)
Obama: 65%, HRC: 33%

Virginia (+29 Obama)
Obama: 64%, HRC: 35%

South Carolina (+28 Obama)
Obama: 55%, HRC: 27%, Edwards: 18%

North Dakota (+24 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 37%

Mississippi (+24 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 37%

Wyoming (+23 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 38%

Maryland (+23 Obama)
Obama: 60%, HRC: 37%

Louisiana (+21 Obama)
Obama: 57%, HRC: 36%

Vermont (+20 Obama)
Obama: 59%, HRC: 39%


The states that HRC has won by 20% or more?

Arkansas (+43 HRC)
HRC: 70%, Obama: 27%

Oklahoma (+24 HRC)
HRC: 55%, Obama: 31%, Edwards 10%

I'd say it's a lot more embarrassing for West Virginia.

and they love Obama.

They seem uncomfortable with Obama b/c he's an unknown entity to them. During the GE he needs to do a tour of that entire area to get to know the voters there.

So obviously not that much.

The racists and Republicans won't. And they can go fuck themselves.

guess it says you can't win 'em all, and you don't need to, in order to win the GE.

Hill lost NC by double digits (and others) - would that have made her GE chances better? Worse?

Oh, wait - the democratic party has a delegate system, which means we already have a presumptive nominee, and in a short moment, will have an actual one. No matter how many people vote for Huckabee...I mean, Hillary.

Guess Huckabee's reluctance to leave the repug race is on my mind, since the West Virginia caucuses just gave him the win (with only 1% voting McCain). So, how come West Virginians keep voting for Huckabee, if McCain is the nominee, and it is all over? Probably same reasons their dems are voting for Hillary.

or losing a 15 point lead in a state *cough* Indiana