The birth certificate mystery

So Obama and McCain won't release their birth certificates.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/citizen_mccain.html

"The McCain campaign has declined to publicly release his birth certificate, but a senior campaign official showed me a copy. Contrary to some Internet rumors that McCain was born outside the Canal Zone, in Colon, the document records his birth in the Coco Solo 'family hospital.'"

So McCain allowed people to see his. Why won't Obama show his birth certificate? I would presume if his citizenship is in question it would have already been investigated when he got elected to the Senate, if not sooner. After all, to be a Senator, you have to be a citizen. Also, I would guess to get security clearance, the FBI must get access to personal records, such as birth certificates.

So, that leaves the one other rumor, that he has another middle name. He's denied that and there's no evidence to suggest he does have two middle names:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/464/

So, that leaves the question, why won't he release his birth certificate? I realize that many will see this as flamebait, but I don't believe Obama has anything serious to hide in this regard. I can't imagine what could be on a birth certificate that would be that damning. And I can't see why a bunch of liberals, who in theory believe in open government, would get defensive on this issue.

Does any Obama supporter (and I'm one too) have any idea why he won't release his birth certificate? It would be nice to see a common sense answer.

It's always baffled me that a piece of paper not linked to me by photo, fingerprint, or DNA serves as a proof of anything about my identity, but I don't write the rules.

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Where are his Navy records? Why doesn't he sign the release? What do the Purple Heart records say? Why would the swift boat veterans lie? Where there's smoke there's fire.

Why do we do this to our own candidates. I will never understand it.

when Kerry was the nominee everyone here supported him except Republican trolls.

Up to the election and even afterwards, there were Dean supporters and many others who did NOT support Kerry.

"will you vote for Kerry?" and there was a large % who said "no." Basically, Kerry's DU numbers were better than Hillary's but worse than Obama's.

They were DU Trolls..Lame argument anyway!

Plenty of DUers have said they wouldn't vote for Kerry, Hillary and Obama. Are they all trolls? Or just the ones who said they wouldn't vote for Kerry and Hillary?

By the way, have you been to freerepublic? It is pretty similar to the erroneously named hillaryis44. You might like it.

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based on what the Swift boat liars were saying.

He was slow in releasing some of his navy records, but ultimately released those too, and everyone wondered why he didn't release them sooner. I think it's okay to inquire about this type of thing in a progressive forum like DU. After all, knowledge is power.

Obama can begin with himself!

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From April 2004, he had over 100 pages on his web site containing everything except medical records - which he had open for a week or so to legitimate media. There were people on boards including the Kerry blog, who were vets and who went through them in detail and said that they seemed complete to them.

What you remember is that the Republicans STILL say that he hasn't released all his records. In 2004, some conservative blogs wanted the records given directly to them from the military. They were told that everything non-medical was on the site. The RW actually did go through those 100 plus papers - finding things like a typo on one form where a typist listed his two important medals as "bronze tar with valor, silver star with valor" copying "with valor" after silver star where it didn't belong. This led them to declare the silver star fake. As it was still a RW issue in 2005, Kerry did sign to let three newspapers get everything directly - the result - the records were exactly what he had on the web page plus one page he didn't have of his last Vietnam fitness report - a coversheet recommending him for accelerated promotion.

Your reaction was what the Republicans wanted. They knew Kerry was a war hero. Even before the SBVT, they want to create the impression that Kerry's record wasn't what people thought it was. Rather than let him have some veteran/millitary event where he could announce that his record (likely far less detailed - he had a summary the Navy wrote of his record in the 1980s at his request) was on the web site. Instead, they threw out non-specific accusations to make it look like Kerry was defending himself in putting his record out. (I'm expressing it badly - the idea was to suggest there were questions and that Kerry needed to answer them. Meanwhile, they lied and spoke of how Bush had disclosed more than anyone and was clean. Orwell would have been proud.)

The Republicans still play this and it is lose/lose. Kerry and friends have pulled together information to answer everything - Kerry is called obsessed with his record. Yet, the FRW on a weekly basis still make their claims that he hasn't released his records and still call him a traitor or worse. The facts are as they always were. The reason they are still an issue is NOT that Kerry was slow or didn't respond - but because there are people for whom the lies are still valuable.

I happened to come across this the other day.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/

"The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.

"But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him."

The article also says that every single document was on Kerry's web site as he said it was in 2004. That article - as many in the Boston Globe have done for decades - puts the information in the worst possible light for Kerry. All those commendations the BG alludes to were on Kerry's web site and were referred to by his better surrogates, such as Cleland and Clark. (Many Democrats were pathetic - ignoring a mountain of fact in Kerry's case, even though they strongly backed Clinton continuously in the 1990s with no supporting info). The media had all of this - in fact the Boston Globe had had it for years.

In 2004, he had all that information out and it was complete and none of the documents were ever called fraudulent. The call to sign the 180 was a far right wing attack that was designed to make it look like there were questions when there weren't. The fact is that after the 2005 release, they did not concede that Kerry was telling the truth, they STILL claim he never released it - because it went just to three newspapers. The fact that the combination of it going to the three newspapers and it being online for everyone to see for years on his website, together mean everything is out. Yet troll the right wing - especially on Tuesdays and there will be calls for Kerry to put his records out. Signing the statement would have helped nothing in 2004 and would have only led to more discussion and speculation.

?Did you follow what happened with Pickens He made a challenge on some RW show to pay a $1 million to anyone who could disprove anything said by the SBVT - Kerry was given a copy of what he said and wrote a letter saying he could disprove many things - but Pickens changed the offer - he wanted Kerry's journal, any tapes he had and other things - all of which had nothing to do with the original offer.

Bush was being challenged because there were - and still are - gaps in his records and there were demands on him to release them. Kerry, on the other hand, had been a public figure for over three decades and even Nixon did not challenge his service, after investigating it. In April 2004, the SBVT first came out demanding that Kerry put out his records. Kerry's people quickly put over 100 pages of Naval records on his web site. The fitness reports - all glowing - spanned the entire interval and the comments were extremely good.

No one ever questioned the authenticity of the records posted - but challenged Kerry that he was still hiding something. They created elaborate lies to suggest that even with all of this - there was something not disclosed - because they knew there had to be something - I think because otherwise, they would have to concede that no matter what he did later, a liberal MA Seantor with connections to the social elite (like Bush - but it's ok he's Republican), was a real genuine war hero. Something their brains couldn't accept. What they did to make Kerry look defensive in putting out information - that he is rightfully proud of.

Here, in both cases - there is no culpability for either - they were innocent babies. But, even in 2000, there were questions as to what qualifies as "native born". The reality - that his dad was a high in the Navy serving his country and his mom was undeniably American should suffice - but the law is the law. It was answered at that time that the Canal Zone counted. I assume it was a Rove planted story that perhaps the hospital was outside the Canal Zone. Now, I would assume that the American military would have taken responsibility of issuing the appropriate birth certificate - even if the mother opted to have the baby at the nearby hospital. This lets people speculate.

Now, in Obama's case, there has never been a question - but he is "exotic". His dad was from Africa and he was born in what has to be our most exotic (and incredibly beautiful) state. Like with Kerry, there is no reason to assume that there is anything wrong, but they may feel that if they fish for things they might find it. What, I don't know. There's not much on a birth certificate and all the relevant pieces of information are known.

I always assumed he'd been shit out on a rock and hatched by the sun.

such as passports and marriage. Why should he release it because a bunch of haters want to invade his privacy?

... and a public figure should be prepared to release such things as tax records and any other records that give the American people insight into that person.

Mother's name?

Father's name?

Sex?

Race of parents?

Birthplace of parents?

I don't see the insight except for astrological purposes and he has every right not to waste time on that kind of nonesense.

The first link I saw chlamoring for Obama to post his birth certificate online was at Daniel Pipe's Islamophobic site.



So are conservative http://conservablogs.com/velvethammer/2008/03/05/wanted-barack-hussein-obamas-birth-certificate/ and more right-wing pro-Hillary blogs. The whole thing is silly. Obama's right to pay them no mind. If it's information they're looking for, they're better off snooping around in his passport file ;)

with the Constitution, the Law of the Land!

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is there yet no end to the twists and turns and stories and tricks?
is this your final hope?
this is what shes been waiting for?
listen to yourself for the love of sanity
you are pasting your hopes on a paperwork snafu now and using it to prop up the loser
at the end of the day have you no logic,no decency?

Why are you singling out Obama is the more relevant question.

do it for you.

How many children did Hillary's mother bear on foreign soil? None.

I'm calling BS. In fact, I'll go a step beyond that. You're a liar.

And what difference does it make that Hillary's mother had one, two or twenty five kids on foreign soil. Has one credible person come forward to claim that she was not, in fact, in Hawaii, when Obama was born?
One?

I'll do your research for you: No.

Why the fuck else would anyone not in his immediate family give a god damn about his birth?

The only people living that could raise a question about his point of birth are all his immediate relatives. Not exactly impartial observers.

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And you deserve a personal attack.

No wonder at all you are so often confused.

as for your "status" -- best leave that one alone

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you need to know his weight and length at the time of birth?

But they're not because they don't release them. Why? Because there is no legitimate need for them. And the same is true for Obama.

If you can explain why its necessary for Obama to release his birth certicate,but not necessary for any other candidate to release their birth certificat, then we can discuss this.

Otherwise, STFU.

do it for you.


McCain released his BC immediately when his constitutional eligibility was questioned, and that's a fact. Why won't Obama? What is Obama hiding?

to try to bring Obama down.

for the Senate (he would be a citizen) but not for the President (not natural born).

I believe Hawaii became a state in 59, not sure of Obama's birthdate.

It's a silly point anyway, since Hawaii was a US territory before it became a state, and just like Puerto Rico today, the people there were US citizens.

Washington state.

Born in Hawaii. Hawaii was admitted August 21, 1959. Barak Obama is a natural-born US Citizen.

Obama, sr had not even met his future wife when Hawaii joined the union. I was countering those implying that the "hidden" thing was that he was born earlier. Doing that would have meant altering all the dates of his life, his mom's and his dad's. Many of those dates being public ans available - concocting all this - after the fact for Obama - would be actually harder than I can start to believe --- and after all that the precedent set when Goldwater ran.

Because he said so? How do you know his mother didn't renounce her citizenship?

:rofl:

Hillary ain't 44. :rofl:

:rofl:

Why exactly is Obama being singled out when not one other Demcoratic candidate in history, as far as I can tell, has ever been asked to produce a birth certificate?

If we accept the assertion of every other candidate that they are a citizen, then why are you singling out Obama?

Seems like that's the relevant question.

abroad? None. How many children did Hillary's mother bear in foreign nations? None.

Really. It's not that hard to figure out.

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It's a question of place of birth and the lack of PROOF that he was born in Hawaii, and the fact that he refuses to release his birth certificate.


Article II of the constitution. It's an issue - and the SCOTUS hasn't fully tested "natural born" for those purposes.

Why single out Obama? Because he has siblings born elsewhere years later? Find one peson who knew Obama's mother who claims that she suddenly vanished from Hawaii -- where she went to school and undoubtedly had friends, neighbors, etc. -- and reappeared later with a child. If such a person existed, we'd have heard about it. But there is no such person. So Obama is entitled to the same presumption that his origins are as they've been publicly described just as all of the other candidates have been accorded the same presumption.

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doesn't it disqualify McCain? I think even being born in a territory, you are still "natural born."

BTW: Is this the first time any candidate NOT born in the contiguous 48 has ever been a candidate of either, let alone both, of the parties?

Barry Goldwater was born in the Arizona Territory.

even when it was a territory, was part of the area of the contiguous 48.

makes no mention of "the contiguous 48" states. It's a geographical construction, not a legal one.

I know the constitution says nothing about the 48. Duh! So, do you know the answer to my question? Has there ever been a Presidential candidate NOT born in the contiguous 48?

It's different than being born to students.

Although Obama was born well after Hawaii became a state, so it's really a non-issue.

I don't know where this myth got started. You don't have to be born on US soil to be a natural-born citizen.

and therefore do qualify to run for President of the United States.

nt

He was born in Arizona territory.

He was ruled eligible to run.

He was born there and would be a citizen even if neither of his parents were.

If this is really Clinton's last attack it is beyond pathetic.

And you might want to brush up on how the supreme court works while you're at it.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

"Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S. "

I bolded the relevant piece.

He'd be a citizen regardless. His mother was a citizen.

No one knows if she had renounced her citizenship before Obama's birth. Obama holds a dual citizenship with Kenya. The Constitution requires the president be a "natural citizen" with 100% allegiance to the US.

requires 100% allegiance to the US. Could not find that phrase in my copy.

Quit making stuff up.

Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya.


Obama is not.

Support Hillary, but don't do it like this.

Our old friend "ignored" seemed busy on this thread.

:hug:

Think before you post. Fierceness for your candidate is fine but stay with reasoned discussion.

Kenya doesn't allow dual citizenships, so having a dual Kenya/US citizenships is impossible.

and smears there.

Bill Clinton's and his mom's passport files - what were they looking for? I remember despicable RW smears that sound like your post. I also remember America rejected them and they backfired. Is that where you are now?

In Clinton's case it was lying about his actions - here it's not even Obama, but his mom.

His allegiance is fine - and he was born in Hawaii and it does not even matter who his parents were - they both could have been foreign nationals and he would still be a natural citizen.

link here:

http://www.uscitizenship.info/citizenship-library-dual.htm

I ask again: Have you no shame?

Because the bit about dual citizenship IS IN HIS OWN BOOK.

Sux, don't it?

I doubt his age could have been fudged 2 years. Not to mention it was in 1960 that his mom graduated from school in Washington state.

Hawaii became a state in 1959. They had been a U.S. territory since 1898.

U.S. territory = U.S.

Anyone born in the U.S. proper, in a U.S. territory or on U.S. land, such as an embassy or military institution is considered to have been born on U.S. soil. Barry Goldwater was born in the Arizona Territory before it became a state, so there is precedence there. And we all know about John McCain. He was born on a base in the Panama Canal Zone (then a U.S. territory) to American parents serving in the military.

The most intriguing example, and one few have mentioned, is the case of George Romney (Mitt's dad), who was born in Mexico in 1907 to American citizens. Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. He ran for president in 1968.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen#US_presidential_candidates_born_outside_the_US

Obama, of course, was born in Hawaii in 1961, a few years after achieving statehood. Even if he were born in 1951, he'd still be a natural born citizen.

That article doesn't mention Senator Obama. Where is your source to claim Obama will nt release his birth certificate?

"We tried to obtain a copy of Obama’s birth certificate, but his campaign would not release it and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public."

Also, I've read it elsewhere in other threads on DU.

The sentence appears in the second article from the St Petersburg Times. Interesting that you would cite that sentence and completely ignore the crux of the piece - you know, how it verifies that Obama has only one middle name.

... from St. Petersburg Times (4th paragraph from the bottom).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/464/

But again, I posted this after I saw some other threads on the subject, so I took it for granted that people were familiar with the issue.

and his mother's marriage certificate to Mr. Obama seems to be another mystery certificate gone missing..

Just think after all the ranting and raving. If it is discovered Obama doesn't qualify under the definition of "natural citizen" he is disqualified as a presidential candidate.

He's a lawyer. He's not going to run for president if he's not eligible. If his birth certificate had that sort of flaming gun, someone would have leaked it.

That he wasn't born in Hawaii?

Which, btw, is a real issue. I want to know about contributions to elected public officials, as it could reveal potential conflicts of interest.

But don't be ridiculous. Obama is a Harvard Law School graduate and you mean to tell me that he doesn't know that constitution's requirement that presidents must be natural born? Give me a break.

when you have nothing to hide, you willingly show your credentials.

If you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of, right?

her birth certificate or parents marriage license. You say she was born in the US to citizens but without proof, who knows what the story is?

Hey how is that "Alabama Breast Augmentation" going for you there Tellurian?

Whats the going rate for scammmer link exchange?

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=alabama+breast+augmentation+hillary&src=IE-SearchBox

"Hillary Is 44 » Links"

By the way do you know anything about who really owns hillaryis44.org ? It seems to be a mystery wrapped in a conundrum!

I am *honestly* interested in finding out if you, Tellurian, as the ranking "affiliate member" of hillaryis44.org at DU, know anything about the embedded, invisible links on hillaryis44.org webstite that have linked to:

1. a hacked, Washington university server* that had embedded links to an online Canadian pharmacy site (RXNICE.COM) on hillaryis44.org's front page
   *this site was shut down by vigilant administrators at Washington university.
   
2. a hacked section of iprong.com (the current victim of hillaryis44.org's embedded link scam)
   
   Please note, kind DU Reader, that if you click your right mouse button on the lovely pink background of hillary is 44.org, and use the "view source" menu option, you will find that there are embedded links to hacked pharmaceutical websites on iprong.com, all of the pages then redirect each subsequent request for various pharmaceutical keywords.
   
   Here is a nice website that will let you "view source" for any website:
   click here :
   http://www.dan.co.uk/viewsource/index.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hillaryis44.org%2F
   
   Look more epic fail from hillaryis44.org:
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09/clinton-supporters-send-l_n_100979.html
   
   
   

It sounds like something not quite kosher, but I have no idea what any of that means.

thanks much,
mcctatas

I don't speak dipshit, but here's my best shot: :evilgrin:

click on the link above in the post you replied to.
scroll down about 20% down the page.

note that there are URLs to a site iprong.com with interesting names like cialis, alabama breast augmentation etc.

That site iprong.com was probably hacked along with hillaryis44.org...

note that all of the links point to an Online Canadian Pharmacy site: RXnice.com

Here is a link from march 13th on dkos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/13/171230/746/921/476062

Please Note Tellurian's unwillingness to address any of this.

now I've gone from :wtf: to:


but I think I get the gist of it, thanks! :toast:

even though Obama has won the most pledged delegates, the most super delegates, the most votes and the most states...
He might not be allowed to be President! Or maybe he will be hit by a meteor! You never know!
Go HILLARY! Chain yourself to the oval office desk if you need to!

I guess, it would be a nuclear shock...eh?

Do they really like her, or do they just think she is the easiest to beat?

I have heard both Clinton Inc and Rush talk of an "October surprise" if Obama is the nominee. What do you think they are collaborating on? Do your friends at his44 have any ideas?

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And has sorely tempted me to start up my ignore list again. This was a much more pleasant place when you and your ilk were on that list.

as though whoever is really in a position to verify the eligibility of a candidate hasn't done so, thoroughly. You must think you're some really big pompous-ass dickhead to have to "verify" that Obama is "enough of an American" in your reactionary, bigoted, ignorant dipwad judgment.

don't you have some cialis to sell out of your garage or something important like that?

:shrug:

Still waiting for that entire list of Clinton Library donors to be released.

How about we have a document exchange - Obama's birth certificate for Bill's library donor list? Seems more than fair, considering the "serious implications" both sets of documents carry.

You'll do anything, ANYTHING, to bring him down...even sling shit Clinton wouldn't touch with a ten-foot poll.
I bet you tried to push the Larry Sinclair story too.

That's why we got the "economic stimulus package' dough. It was hush money. Didn't you get yours??

... this is merely entertaining, a bit of a puzzle.

wow.. nice..

candidates must release their birth certificates to the media? Funny, I missed that one...:eyes:

(a reporter claims they saw a copy). What I want to know is why it is so important to you...
It seems like a silly "scare the white people" tactic using insinuation about Obama's name etc. and frankly, beneath democrats. Besides, after having my passport file hacked three times, I would be leary of releasing further info... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3598509.ece

that since he was born outside the CZ, he could not be president..

Coco Solo was within the CZ, so even if he was corn off-base, he would still be on "US Soil"

You must have a birth certificate to get a passport.

This is nonsense.

I think that those horned rim glasses are really doing the trick, onlooker!

McCain can't release his birth certificate because he would be disqualified from the race. He wasn't born in America his birth certificate would indicate that McCain was born in Pangaea.
I couldn't resist the age joke.

Obama's campaign won't release his records...WHY?

I'm tired of the Hillary Obama flame war that has been going on and we are tearing each other down and not focusing on what is best for this country, making sure the closest thing that McCain gets to the White House is on the guided tour. This is another distraction that is keeping us from the real issues, like jobs, the economy, education, the war in Iraq that was fought on fictitious pretenses and our infrastructure that is falling apart. Stop reaching for any piece of BS that you can find to bring down Obama you are only doing McCain's work for him.

Maybe he was the product of a mother who had an alien abduction and was implanted with him on a spaceship.

Christ! What people won't do to try to spread bulls*it.

Let's stop everyone on the street and demand their birth certificates because we've decided to "question citizenship."

If this is a legitimate question for Obama, then it would also have been a legitimate question for every other candidate for president. There were a couple of dozen candidates just this year and the number of folks who have run for the presidency is quite large. Yet I can't find any evidence of any presidential candidate releasing his/her birth certificate. Can you point me to what I'm missing?

Why do you expect everyone else to be your mommy?

Take a nap.

Then branch out, work your way up, maybe even take a class.

Take a hike.

If this is a legitimate question for Obama, then it would also have been a legitimate question for every other candidate for president. There were a couple of dozen candidates just this year and the number of folks who have run for the presidency is quite large. Yet I can't find any evidence of any presidential candidate releasing his/her birth certificate. Can you point me to what I'm missing?

And Hillary adopted that space-alien baby, remember? That makes her probably a space alien, too. It was in the Weekly World News so it must be true.

weren't a citizen.

Having a US passport doesn't technically mean you are a natural born citizen. Just that you are a citizen. Now back to the madness.

"Maybe he was the product of a mother who had an alien abduction and was implanted with him on a spaceship"

And he'd still qualify to run for POTUS!

How deep into the shit are we going to delve. Pickin through to see if he ate nebraska or Iowa corn?

If you have nothing to hide, why do you have a problem with the NSA tapping your phones?

Why do you have a problem with the FBI opening your mail, or photographing you at home, or snooping on your computer, or peeking in your bank accounts?

Tellurian, you are an authoritarian Nazi sack of shit. Go fuck yourself.

Thanks!

2. Present Proof of U.S. Citizenship

All documentation submitted as evidence of U.S. Citizenship will be returned to the applicant. Evidence documents will either arrive with the issued passport or in a separate mailing to the applicant. You may prove U.S. Citizenship with any one of the following:

* Previous U.S. Passport (mutilated, altered, or damaged passports are not acceptable as evidence of U.S. citizenship.)
* Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state

NOTE: A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note that some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

to raise doubts about our candidate? I call it, like I see it.

More manufactured scandal. yawn.

Anyone born on U.S. soil, even outside of the 50 states, is a natural born citizen by birth, this is actually in the Constitution and elaborated on by U.S. law.

:tinfoilhat: :crazy:

It's a simple request that shouldn't be a problem if there isn't a problem to begin with!

You all spent weeks demanding to see Hillary's Tax Returns. I think illegibility for the presidency is somewhat more important.

nm

absolutely hilarious.

Until Sen. Obama became the presumptive nominee - I have been utterly lukewarm about the whole thing. But now that he is the presumptive nominee, I intend to support him wholeheartedly even if he was not by any means my first choice.

abroad? None. How many children did Hillary's mother bear in foreign nations? None.

absence of proof is now proof of absence.

You have done a great public service by making the suggestion that the circumstances of her birth must disqualify her since they have not been released.

Have you personally inspected both of their birth certificates?

(Just trying to be as ridiculous as a number of posters on this thread are being.)

Thank you. It does my heart good to see good dems with rock solid values and common sense, especially in a tin foil hat thread like this one.

dumb don't you.

Unless you can prove that Senator Obama's mother wasn't a US citizen at the time it doesn't matter in which year he was born or for that matter where he was born.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

hannity/rush/freeper inspired scandal silly! ;)

Read the Constitutional Requirements for the Presidency. You see, the Founding Fathers prepared for people who would attempt to be president of this country IF their allegiance was not 100% to this country. Obama refuses to answer too many questions critical to his eligibility for the presidency. As US citizens, we have the right to ask: "SHOW ME!"

to the relevant US code!

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1

parse/redefine the meaning from what the US code says it is.

when someone attributes things to the constitution that are not in the original text, this is a legitimate reason for questioning (unless of course we're dissecting it for some weird Lit. Crit. class and I didn't get the memo....)

:shrug:

From Article II of the Constitution you appear to actually know nothing about:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

But, I suppose you're going to believe that Obama is a secret "Islamofascist" agent out to enforce sharia law no matter what, right?

This is Tellurianese for "HE'S A MUSLIM MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!!! HE DOESN'T WEAR A FLAG PIN!!! HE DIDN'T PUT HIS HAND OVER HIS HEART FOR THE PLEDGE!!!"

Is this the latest talking point you got from Rush Limbaugh, Tellurian?

From what I've seen of it, Obama's handwriting seems to be perfectly legible.

Bullshit non-issues need to sink.

Births are a matter of public record and the public record in Hawaii records Barack Obama was born.

Obama was born to an American mother on American soil. He is an American citizen. Like my son, fathered by a foreign father, but born on American soil, he is an American by birth.

In my 20s, I lost my birth certificate. I had no clue where it was. I needed it though, to get my driver's license (yeah, I was kind late on that). I looked until I was sure I'd never find it. I had no proof I was ever born. It was pretty depressing. I knew I was born, but I just couldn't prove it.

Eventually, one very well informed person told me about this place called "the courthouse" where I could go get a certified (not certifiable, like my brain) copy of my birth certificate that would count just like the real thing. So, after a trip and about a dollar fee fee (that's what I call fees they seem to charge for the sake of charging SOMETHING for SOMETHING cause you ain't getting anything free, even though your taxes already paid for it), I had my birth certificate (well, a reasonable facsimile).

Anyhow, my point is I knew I was born, but without that birth certificate, I was hard pressed to prove it to our government. They just wouldn't take "I'm here, ain't I?" for an answer. Apparently, being here is not enough proof a person was born. But the place called "the courthouse" can fix all that. Seems simple enough.

Question:
What do they need their birth certificate for anyhow?

Which would include if your parents are citizen = automatic citizenship.

McCain is fully able to run for president, just like Goldwater.

Do you have any proof that he wasn't? Do you have any proof that Hillary was?

What's he hiding?

Just sayin....
Can you link me to any presidential candidate's birth certificate?

Nobody but you has asked for a link to an actual birth certificate. Only you. Other candidates have made their BC's available to the press. Obama is hiding his. Why?

because Hillary is not qualified to be president. Incredible bombshell.

Or even run for office? This is a bullshit issue targeting ignorant people. So lame!

And why hasn't Hillary dropped out yet?

It's basically a tie and there are still SDs out there that haven't committed.

If Obama is the one, why can't he close this election on his own?

Pretty amusing when one of Hillary's pledged delegates moves to Obama.

that is a joke. it is close, but NOT basically a tie by any means.

Hillary and those who continue to prop up her campaign with borrowed money, delusions of some bombshell of a news story, or for undefined personal gain, are just playing out a bad hand.

Obama continues to close this primary every day, and the public sentiment is that it is a done deal. sorry~

and exactly right... where is the humor. lol

Even the GOP is letting its primary race go to the Convention. Male Dem candidates with far less primary support have taken their races to the Dem convention (Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, etc.) Why do the rules change when its a woman candidate who is running in a tied race?