Vietnam Vets Organization Blasts Kerry in New TV Ad

has been after Kerry since the Nixon Administration. He never served with Kerry...he's just a right wing POS.

with the late John O' Neill who got screwed by the FBI and how might've caught OBL if left alone to investigate as he wanted.

don't have a problem with * punking out of his Air National Guard service. Whatever.

What was Kerry's comment a couple of months ago - "Dirty"?

huh?

also.

part of this crooked group.

Earlier devilgirl posted a website of a pro-soldier and from his lament it sounds like a lot of soldiers aren't buying into the Rethuglican smear campaign.





"There is a popular belief out there that all members in the military are gung-ho Pro Bush. That is not entirely true. There is a very large portion of servicemen that support the President and the administration. I am among them. There is however, a just are large portion that are liberal to the core. They subscribe to the conspiracy theories that “Bush sent us here for oil” and the like. Their belief system does not affect their job performance, rather their morale in times like this. I have known this for a long time. Since I have been on active duty, I have had several (friendly, of course) debates with liberal troops and NCOs.

I bring this up because there is a large number of soldiers that I work with who are passing around a bootleg copy of Michael Moore’s new propaganda piece “Fahrenheit 9/11.” Even though people are free to think what they want, believe what they believe, and watch what they want to watch, I personally believe that this is a very dangerous and stupid thing for troops to be watching. It only feeds to their already established anger that they are away from their families and worldly possessions and comforts. Although they have already made up their minds about it before watching the movie, they all come out of it saying “I hate Bush! I’m voting for Kerry!”

When I ask them what makes John Kerry more qualified to run the country than President Bush, they say “Because Kerry served in Vietnam! He’s a war hero! He won three Purple Hearts! Bush is a deserter!” You know, the usual.

Here’s the first question I want to ask – not just to the soldiers who say this – but to everybody who constantly touts Kerry’s military service and that it somehow more than qualifies him to be President:"










http://www.sugarraydodge.com/

Dissatisfaction like the Bush supporter describes will get communicated to the folks back home.

about don't sound like half-hearted supporters but hardcore supporters who aren't about to be swayed come hell or high water.

How sweet the sounds of lament from one of the deluded.

www.sugarraydodge.com
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There is a reason everybody is focusing on just the fact that Kerry served in Vietnam, and not any of the specifics of his service, his actions after returning home, or even his actions in the United States Senate. If they would care to look at any of those things, they would find that Kerry is one of the most radical, anti-war, anti-military men in American history.
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As far as his actual service goes, it must not have been all that great if all these people are coming out against him. Unlike Bush, people actually remember what John Kerry was like during his service Vietnam. A bunch of swiftboat commanders have gotten together to write a book about their comrade: "Unfit for Command : Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry." I don't know what else needs to be said about that book, because the title actually speaks for itself! Vietnam veterans have spoken out against John Kerry in throngs. And little does anyone in the liberal media say that Kerry "used an obscure Navy regulation to leave Vietnam and his crew before completing his tour of duty. After returning home, he quit the Navy early and changed the color of his politics to become a leader of VVAW. "

I don’t understand how people can support such a man based on the fact that “he served,” and then overlook these massive characteristics that should at least raise and eyebrow or two. How can you trust a man like this to defend us? How can troops allow their lives to be put in this man’s hand, the same hand that has looked to cut and undermine them everyday on the Senate floor?

So, if you are a serviceman or a dependant and are disgruntled because of a deployment, John Kerry is not the answer. He will do more harm than good to the United States military, let alone the entire country. You really need to think about it and not let your emotions rule the way you vote in November.
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proBush supporter which is why the part I quoted is so significant,namely his assessment that a large portion of the military is pro-Kerry.

already? These thugs should be sued for assasinating John Kerry's character. They are despicable, and if their actions can be tied to the White House I hope the Dim Son and his Egore (Rove) fry for this. My blood pressure has skyrocketed from this...These people are loathesome vermin!!!

Vickie Carter

NEW ORLEANS, April 21 -- John F. Kerry's presidential campaign Wednesday posted on its Web site 145 pages of his military record, which offered glowing evaluations of his combat service in Vietnam, but little new information about the Massachusetts senator's four-year tour in the Navy.

Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said the campaign has released virtually every document it received from the Navy, with the exception of Kerry's complete medical record.

The group who is leading this anti-Kerry movement ("Swiftboat Veterans for Truth") is being funded by the Bush-Cheney campaign. Hopefully Americans will see them for the frauds that they are.

The facts are:

(1) None of the "veterans" in this group actually served with Kerry on either of the two swiftboats that he commanded. The vast majority of them never even knew Kerry in Vietnam. Many of them didn't even serve in Vietnam at the same time or in the same place as Kerry. They have absolutely no credibility whatsoever. How can you attest to a man's character (or lack thereof) when you've never even met him?

(2) Their actions are motivated entirely by politics and jealousy. Politically, the vast majority of them are Republicans. As I mentioned above, their group is being funded by the Bush-Cheney campaign. Most of the folks in the group are the savage, testosterone-driven types who took pride in how many gooks they killed or how many villages they burned down. They are in the very, very small minority of Vietnam Veterans. They are also incredibly jealous of John Kerry, who earned an amazing three Purple Hearts, Bronze Star and Silver Star during his combat tour, not to mention saving the lives of all the men on his ships (who all support him in his campaign). Most of the guys in "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" were REMFs (military folks know what this means). Unlike John Kerry, they weren't saving guys' lives under enemy fire. They were safely behind the lines while the combat troops were taking all the fire. And so, they are incredibly jealous of a combat-tested hero like Kerry.

(3) If anyone is suffering from a "lack of character," it is the guys in "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." All of them have refused to open up their military records. Why? Obviously because they have skeletons in the closet. It has been revealed that several prominent members of the group are common criminals who have served jail time as civilians. I guess that begs the question of how many of them were court-martialed or demoted during their time in Vietnam.


(4) John Kerry's military records have been released. They are available in their entirety on JohnKerry.com. When you read them, you'll see that he had an impeccable record as an officer in the United States Navy. He is consistently rated "excellent" and "outstanding" by his superiors. They describe him as an officer of the highest intelligence, leadership quality and seamanship. His reports for the Bronze Star, Silver Star and Purple Heart awards describe gallantry and courage under fire, as he saved the life of Army Sgt. Jim Rassman. Now, some of his old superiors and fellow officers will try to attack him for political gain (and $$$ from the Republican machine), but it's not going to work. Their words in 1968 and 1969 are on the record for everyone to see.

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Are you sure they haven't released their records? Do you know for certain that some of them have criminal records? This is an outrage!!!

What is the Kerry team doing about this?

See this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2159791

Also: http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/04/swift/index_np.html

Jesus, this kind of shit makes me furious. This is the ugliest, sickest, worst kind of scum-level campaigning. It's the kind of crap the far right pulled on McCain in 2000.

How much "truth" is in these guy's service records? What are their credentials? Where is there money coming from. Go ahead, let **really** see some "truth."

I hope the Kerry campaign hits these bastards soon, and HARD.

The negative campaigning is sick and disgusting, but unfortunately it works. Karl Rove is a slick propagandist, and he knows how to win/steal votes.

Negative campaigning worked for Rove and Bush in 2000 when they accused McCain of being a homosexual who had fathered bi-racial children out of wedlock. They even accused his wife Cindy of being a drug addict. Of course, all these charges were false -- but enough Americans were dumb enough to believe them, and McCain went down in a fiery defeat.

The reason that Karl Rove's negative campaign ads are so effective is because they convey a short and simple message. They are concise and to the point, and most Americans are so stupid that they'll believe them. Even I - a rabid Democrat - am constantly amazed how Bush's ads seem to "get their point across" so much better than Kerry's. His message is always riddled with lies and slander, but Americans are so stupid that they actually believe it.

I really think that Kerry would've had this election in the bag if he had gone negative on GWB. He's giving Rove an easy ride.

Soon we will see the words of some of these men come back to haunt them. Words said to Doug Brinkley just last year, before O'Neill started throwing the money around. Or words John O'Neill said to Nixon and Colson. Like he was ready to do anything they programmed him to do.

Bush has no credibility on Vietnam and they should try and minimize this card as much as possible. Good for Kerry though. I'm gonna guess this is going to backfire on the Bush campaign.

Unfortunately, nothing ever seems to backfire on Karl Rove. He is a political mastermind. A shrewd and sneaky genius who knows how stupid most Americans are, and takes advantage of it.

Unfortunately, 99% of Americans base their election choice on what they see in the mass media (NBC/ABC/CBS/FAUX/CNN). Now that Rove has paid off the CEOs at all five of these networks, you can see how pro-Bush their coverage has become.

You sound pretty mad so you should like it hear. Becareful about the troll stuff it's against the rules. :)

I found Jim Lehrer's coverage of the DNC to be reasonable. 8-11pm all three nights. A roundtable discussion with fair comments from both sides.

I don't know many Vietnam vets who didn't feel the way Kerry did when they got home. I remember sitting up nights talking about how we were going to tell the country how wrong the war was when we got home. What we found out is that we could not teach very many people since they were either against the war already or were hawks who would not listen to us.

Prolly should.

The Republicans see MoveOn's ads as the moral equivalent of this kind of character assassination. After McCain Feingold, the 527s do the heavy lifting on attack ads. Time to send more money to Wes Boyd...

the sheeple will believe all the crap they are spewing out.