Now they're saying Bush volunteered for Viet Nam!

:wtf:

http://www.nationalreview.com/babbin/babbin200402190855.asp

Snip... Of the four pilots I spoke to who flew with Bush in the Texas days, Fred Bradley knew him best. They had met before going off to the year-long ordeal of pilot school, and entered the 111th at about the same time. Both were junior lieutenants without a lot of flying experience. But the inexperience didn't prevent Bush - along with Bradley - from going to their squadron leaders to see if they could get into a program called "Palace Alert." "There were four of us lieutenants at the time, and we were all fairly close. Two of them had more flight time than the president and me, said Bradley." All four volunteered for Vietnam (Bradley doesn't remember whether he and Bush actually signed paperwork, but he specifically remembers both Bush and himself trying to get into the Palace Alert Vietnam program.) Bush and Bradley were turned away, and the two more senior pilots went to Vietnam.

Joe Glavin, another member of Dubya's squadron said, "There were always a core of the guys who were the "in guys" and was in the middle of it...George's difference was that we all knew that his daddy was rich and that he was smarter than the rest of us." Smarter? "I don't understand where comes from." Glavin explained that because their squadron was an active duty squadron, they always had two aircraft - armed and fueled - standing on the taxiway on what is called "plus five" alert. From the time the horn blows, until the time the aircraft was wheels-up on takeoff had to be five minutes or less....snip


They've been crowing about it over at this place...

http://americanforum.net/forums/search.php?mode=results

Bob Owens..."I find it interesting that no one has mentioned that a LT George Bush, F102 "Delta Dagger" interceptor pilot volunteered for duty in Vietnam, but was passed over for more senior pilots.

Can they get any more desperate? Taking the word of a GWB buddy "recalling" a supposed volunteering by Bush* 32 years ago, and passing it off as fact?

doesn`t lie..no matter how hard they try,the truth is still the truth

The document is posted at http://www.npr.org/programs/wesat/features/2004/feb/bushfiles/applic2.html

See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x600026

...the problem is, whenever the "he volunteered" statement is made, the little check box doesn't get shown. We all know about it, but how many of the electorate know?

I'd like to see it in an ad spot. Something like, "Republicans try to discount Kerry's service record. Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam and was on his second tour of duty when he won 3 purple hearts, a bronze star and a silver star. Bush never went to Vietnam. In fact he asked not to go: (show the form, then zoom in to the line where he had checked that he did not want to be sent overseas).

This really, really needs to get out there with the general population.

Bush got into the National Guard (which was a pretty darn difficult thing to do back then) because of strings his Daddy and others pulled for him. Any repuke who wants to deny that can try and ride their house back to the land of midgets and yellow brick roads. Further, he didn't even have to show up most of the time (for everyone else in the military this is called AWOL, which had a punishment of being SENT to Vietnam) because of more strings that were pulled for him.

This was a man for whom the rules did not apply. Had he TRULY wanted to serve in Vietnam, he could have gone ahead of the so-called "senior pilots" by having his Daddy pull yet another string.

Bottom line, he joined the Texas Air National Guard, not the Air Force; he checked the box "does not volunteer to serve over seas, not the one marked "does volunteer"; and had he truly changed his mind about serving in Vietnam, he could have gone in a heartbeat.

But I do like this story because it will make people look even harder at Bush's service. As long as people keep trying to defend his diservice in the TANG, the truth about him being AWOL and perhaps even some re-election-killing golden nugget will be discovered. Personally, I am very curious as to why he refused to take a physical in 72, which would have kept him flying. Think he may have had some coke in his system?

And he flew F-102s because they were being scrapped as outdated...so there is no fucking way he could have been sent overseas.

he asked NOT to be sent to Vietnam...

Unfortunately the paperwork that would prove it was lost.

be sent to Vietnam?

Surely he felt so passionate about serving his country in Vietnam that he would have formally rescinded his previous document asking NOT to be sent to Vietnam.

destroyed by accident. Yeah, that's the ticket. Poor King George, even Vietnam didn't want him.

let the right go all out in spreading another proven lie, if they think it will help them, lol.

What a crock. And amazing how the awol challenge has been out there and they couldn't come up with this guy till now.

Yeah, George tried real hard to get into the fight. So did this guy, btw.

I can go on the web and find pictures of our guy, in fatigues with a weapon securely held in his hands.

There are no such pictures of Chimpy the unelected fraud.

I'm amazed the idiot had the brain capacity to actually learn how to fly.

just going by memory, I think we came to the conclusion that Bush did indeed apply, basically because it would look good, but he timed it so that by the time his application was processed the program had ended.

Look toward the end, Russert asks Bush whether he volunteered to go and he says no.

Bush AWOL

but his doctor wouldn't let him, in spite of Rusty's pleas.

Problem was, all the combat postings had already been taken by minorities - damn that affirmative action!!

Favorite disease of the fat-assed anally-retentive repubes who were attempting escape from their duty 33 years ago. What a pompous bag o shite!

Gyre

He had an pilodial (sp) cyst..... Something to do with curvature of the spine...

...Not only did his daddy get him into a hard to find guard slot, but he also had the presence of mind to have his son trained on an obsolete fighter that was scheduled for de-commission and afforded the chimp no possibility of going to vietnam because the f102 wasn't in vietnam. So whether he volunteered for vietnam service or not, and I firmly believe he did not and anyone who says differently is a liar, he had already guaranteed that he would not go because of the plane he flew.

anywhere.

Yet they'll look at the proof of Kerry's heroism and discount it.

These people obviously choose to believe in lies over truth. Anybody who supports the Chimp at this point is choosing lies over daily headlines, as far as I'm concerned.

the effectiveness of challengers. Every word Democrats must pay for to expose lies about Dubya's ENTRY into "Air Canada" (the affectionate term for *'s NG unit) is a word NOT used to expose how Dubya GOT OUT OF the limited military duties his father the congressman bought for him.

Similarly, while the media are asking Democrats whether Kerry really earned his Silver Star, or whether those were RIBBONS or MEDALS he threw over the fence at the Capitol thirty-some years ago, Kerry's message about jobs, health care, REAL national security, etc. is not getting out.

Meanwhile, Dubya has layers of protection to keep him from ever having to answer a real question, and to envelop him in a bigger and bigger cloud of lies and verbal fog.

Did he officially request to be assigned to the Palace Alert. It is quite easy to find out if the paperwork hasn't been scrubbed. And if they volunteered why weren't they selected?

http://www.hillnews.com/marshall/022604.aspx

February 26, 2004

In one paragraph in that piece, Babbin recounts the story of Fred Bradley, one of the president’s friends from those days, who says that he remembers he and the president once inquired about getting into something called the Palace Alert program.

<snip>

So did this really happen? It’s a little hard to figure that after the president and his family pulled so many strings to keep him out of Vietnam he’d go and sign up to get in the first chance he got. And of course there’s no evidence for this in the president’s service records.

The president himself floated the Palace Alert story in the past, too. But one reason he stopped may be because of what the Post discovered in 1999.

The program was shut down just one week after the president got out of flight school — making it a suspiciously ineffective way to end up actually going to Vietnam.

He takes up the issue in this ironic post:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_08_01.php#003250

"I see it as one more in a long line of unlucky breaks he's had to endure. Years ago, remember, he tried to go to Vietnam, but couldn't manage to get there because the program he asked someone about got shut down a week before he asked about it."

And he gives that link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072899.htm

"But there was no chance Bush's unit would be ordered overseas. Bush says that toward the end of his training in 1970, he tried to volunteer for overseas duty, asking a commander to put his name on the list for a "Palace Alert" program, which dispatched qualified F-102 pilots in the Guard to the Europe and the Far East, occasionally to Vietnam, on three- to six-month assignments.

He was turned down on the spot. "I did – and I was told, 'You're not going,' " Bush said.

Only pilots with extensive flying time – at the outset, 1,000 hours were required – were sent overseas under the voluntary program. The Air Force, moreover, was retiring the aging F-102s and had ordered all overseas F-102 units closed down as of June 30, 1970."

he's casting a re-make for the GOP in NYC:

David Dreier: "And George W. Bush said, 'SEND ME!'"
(Prolonged, stormy applause)

..this "I tried to go to vietnam but they wouldn't let me" bullshit is an insult to everyone who did go, voluntarily or otherwise.

You'd be there before you could spit out the word.

They were DESPARATE for cannon fodder.

He "wanted to go". Yeah - right. What you gonna believe - what the liar says and the missing paperwork, or all the actualy paperwork and evidence and eyewitnesses who were there that prove he's lying?

Sigh.

Need anything else be said??

Good point! :D

"He volunteered to go to Vietnam."

-- Bush campaign chairman Marc Racicot, yesterday <2/23/04>, on National Public Radio


"No, I didn't."

-- President Bush, Feb. 8, responding to a question on NBC's "Meet the Press" about whether he volunteered to go to Vietnam

this guy will remember that he saw Bush serving in Alabama, too. What a bunch of crap!

but in the 2 years I was in the army no one who volunteered for duty in Viet Nam was ever turned down!!

"...Bradley doesn't remember whether he and Bush actually signed paperwork..."

duh.

Poppy coulda pulled it for him....

Or Poppy coulda prevent him from going....

Hmmmmm?

"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."

That's the quote. You can search it on Google. He said it to the Houston Chronicle.

NT

took hamburgers up the hill and back to his dormitory, where a handful of his fellow guardsmen were huddled in gastric distress. If not for George's willingness to sacrifice himself (he drove his own car), those men might have been forced to order Chinese food!
Damn commie food - they don't call it General Tso's chicken for nothing you know.

Gotta give him his props...he stopped the spread of chinese food in his unit. I shudder to think what would have been if he hadn't discovered those MSG's.