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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:11 PM
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Please. If it had been ANYONE besides Hillary CLINTON, she would've been considered done LONG ago.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 03:21 PM by jenmito
I'm getting so tired of people saying the media and other people are trying to push Hillary out of the race. Just the opposite has happened. She was portrayed any way she WANTED to be portrayed-first as the "inevitable nominee," then as the "victim," then as the "fighter." She lost the delegate count in TX (which is the metric we use to decide who wins) yet was declared the winner, won PA by 9.2% yet was declared to have won by "double digits," and continued to get the coverage SHE wanted as the media used HER metrics, or at least entertained them. Now, FINALLY, a narrative of REALITY has set in and she (and her supporters) are crying "sexism" and "unfair"? Please.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:12 PM
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1. And if Obama lost 11 in a row, he'd be asked to step aside.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:15 PM
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3. Exactly. Instead, the MSM RAN with the "Comeback Kid" narrative, HOPING for.
her to somehow stay in it.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:13 PM
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2. If Obama had been down by 11, he would not have needed to be asked to go.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:16 PM
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4. I agree.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:17 PM
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5. Exactly
She's gotten by since February on her name alone.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:17 PM
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6. And even BEFORE. n/t
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:17 PM
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7. Bill's running her campaign now, I believe.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:18 PM
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9. Is that a good thing (in your opinion)?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:18 PM
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8. The outlandish bullshit...
Edited on Sat May-17-08 03:18 PM by TwoSparkles
...that she ordered her blogging buddies to disseminate is so outer limits--you wonder
if she has one shred of dignity left.

She's actually bringing back her trademark "caucuses are evil" meme.

I think she's gone completely bonkers.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:20 PM
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11. That's pathetic.
I think she just can't face the fact that she's going to lose yet.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:18 PM
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10. Indiana was a virtual tie - 1% before all absentee ballots were counted
she should have conceded by the NC/IN primary night - at the latest.

going on to make her stunningly false statements after West Va was simply an embarrassment - or, rather, a testimony to how powerful the Clinton clique still is. Powerful doesn't make you right, of course. I guess it just makes it harder to admit you are no longer getting to call all the shots.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:22 PM
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12. That's right. Yet she and Bill and others keep saying she had a "come-from-behind" win...
and I edited my post to say PA instead of IN.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:02 PM
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13. kick for a rebuttal by a Hillary supporter
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:06 PM
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14. She made it past New Hampshire for one reason.
She appealed to women to vote for her because she is a woman, and a number did just that.

Without that bloc, she would never had won a single primary, with the possible exception of New York and maybe Arkansas.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:35 PM
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17. Exactly! And when she saw what "worked," she used that angle
more overtly to the point of being shameful.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:47 PM
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20. when polls showed old whites were skeered of the black man, she went there
she went to where the votes took her because that's all that mattered to her
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:57 PM
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21. As did her husband and surrogates. I don't know HOW she'll undo all the damage
she's done. Will she tell all her supporters she was just kidding? Or they should support him "anyway"?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:15 PM
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15. Ah jenmito..I see you've decided on a dose of reality for us.
Brava~

As usual the m$$$fm has controlled as much as they could..without them hilary would have been voted out months ago. Print and state the truth about hilary and she doesn't look so appetizing.

The m$$$fm pushed bushit and The War On Iraq on us for 8 years and now Americans are finally starting to resist the constant brainwashing by airwaves. Turns out the mediawhores don't know :wtf: they're goin' on about.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:33 PM
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16. Thanks, zidzi...
I try. :)

Yes-the media has done its best to keep her alive.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:36 PM
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18. If it were anyone besides HILLARY, she'd have gotten out long ago....
...so as to let the process continue and not damage her party's and her party's nominee's chances in November. But nope. NOT Hillary!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:43 PM
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19. Yup-just like Edwards did. n/t
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:04 PM
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22. Clinton is still in it because it's been a very close contest.
I'm glad she's at least seeing it through to the end.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:27 PM
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23. It wouldn't be a bad thing if she didn't try to de-legitimize Obama in the process by
saying you MUST count FL and MI (on HER terms), by saying he can't get the "hard-working white voters," pretend he's pushing her out of the race, etc.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:40 PM
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25. Look, it's come down to the point in these conversations that it's a given that...
I'm not going to accept your negative characterization of her and you won't accept my positive characterization of her. As it stands now, it seems that we must all agree to disagree. I could bring in all of Obama's verbal faux pas and try to smear him with similar contempt, but I really don't think it's necessary (i.e. "typical white people?") I think she's simply winding up her campaign, and given how close it's been, I'm glad she's in it until the end.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:34 PM
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24. Amazing...
In reading the title of your OP...

Is it so different than saying if Obama weren't black he wouldn't be where he is today?

-P
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:04 PM
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28. no, you are wrong. Hillary is a clinton and therefore had enormous
opportunity past any other candidate. if Obama was Nelson Mandella's son, perhaps your comment would make sense. He was an unknown black man who kicked her to the curb. She was the wife of a former president. HUGE difference. Think about it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:33 PM
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29. Yes-it's VERY different. Obama is being discriminated against because of his
color. Hillary is where she is because of her name.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:50 PM
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26. Preach it sister! :-)
I've believed this all along. Hillary's camp always claims that they are being unfairly discounted out of the race. Everybody knows that if Obama was behind by ~150 delegates now he would be long gone. They would blast him for tearing the party apart as well as being inexperienced. They'd be looping Rev. Wright nonstop telling his supporters that he just can't win.

Also, Hillary has played the gender card virtually nonstop in efforts to appeal to female voters. If Obama had played the race card this much, he would have been branded a black militant and be up on corruption charges in the Senate by now.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:36 PM
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30. Thanks...
:hi: Exactly. She's gone from being the "inevitable nominee" to being the "victim." She's a product of her handlers and coaches. There's nothing authentic about her and she has blatantly played the gender card.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:57 PM
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27. Absolutely.
People are treating her like a precious 2-year-old toddler that must be coddled and cajoled.

I'm calling bullshit on that noise. Every other candidate had the grace and good sense to withdraw. It's over for Hillary, her defeat self-inflicted. The fat lady has sung and Hillary and her supporters have their index fingers embedded deeply in their ears.

Barack intends to declare victory Tuesday in Iowa where his campaign started, having garnered the majority of the pledged delegates then. Enough is enough. Time to move on to the General Election.

:hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:38 PM
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31. "I'm calling bullshit on that noise."
:toast: I can't agree more with your entire post! :hi:
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