If I Were A Woman, I Suspect This Is How I Would Feel...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/17/1272/09695/235/517428

And guess what? From the first moment he announced his candidacy, I have supported Barack Obama for President.

No, I don't think I'm a traitor. I don't think I've betrayed my sex. I'm not ignorant of history, or the struggles women have had to go through in this country to achieve what they've achieved. And you know what? I believe that women in this country struggled and fought for my right to vote so that I COULD VOTE FOR WHOMEVER I CHOOSE. For the best candidate. For the person that would be best for women, best for men, and best for the country that I love and that has given me every opportunity in the world.

And that candidate, for me, is Barack Obama.

See, I don't believe that feminism is about being better than men. I don't believe it's about exclusivity, or about helping only women to advance. I believe that feminism is about making sure that women have the same opportunities and doors open to them that men do. And I believe that Hillary has had, as the wife of a former president and an Ivy League grad, more doors open to her than most women OR men in this country ever will.

So please--quit trying to tell me that sexism is the reason that Hillary's campaign has derailed. Or that the many women supporting Obama hate other women, or don't understand feminism, or just don't care about helping other women. Don't tell me that Hillary's failure will be the failure of all women. Don't tell me there's a special place in hell for me because I've exercised the right to vote that women fought for, in order to vote for who I choose. Because if that right to vote only exists to make me forever beholden to the person who possesses the same reproductive organs that I do--then what is the point of that vote in the first place? What was the point of all that fighting, all that suffering, all that women went through for equality in the first place?

It's hard to tell with counterfactuals, of course, but I'm still pretty sure that's how I would feel.

brothers but made it anyway. Sorry you don't see it.

of who she is and what she stands for. She's hurt women everywhere but we'll survive it because we are strong and smart.

may not win because the party looks like it's going McGovernite in 2008. Not her fault.

You know....at least McGovern was a nice guy. Obama is just mean and hateful.

Steve

How do you like it?

If she cant stand the heat , she needs to get out of the kitchen.

sweetie is a term of endearment. Just like when a waitress calls me honey.

sister how he bullied her.

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- "Maya Soetoro-Ng's older brother came back from his freshman year in college and found her working on a math problem from a grammar-school grade level lower than the one she was in.

"He scolded me. He said, I should -- if anything -- work on a set for an older age, a higher age," Soetoro-Ng recalled in a 2004 interview. "He was bossy. He was domineering." Her brother -- actually her half-brother -- is Barack Obama. But when their mother and Soetoro-Ng's father divorced, Obama took on a more fatherly role, she said.

"He was always pushing me to sort of, at that point, exceed my own lazy inclinations," Soetoro-Ng said in 2004. "My mother and father divorced when I was 9, so I think he started giving me a great deal of guidance as a big brother. And he helped me find my voice and my passion and helped to work to offer a lot of guidance."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545473,BSX-News-wotreehh09.stng

Should've just bought her some Barbie doll outfits and an Easybake Oven to occupy her girly little mind.


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standards n/t

I think to be fair you are being dishonest and playing this sexist
meme is not going to work. Hillary has to win the nomination fair
and square and she failed from the start, the sooner people like
yourself come to terms with it the better it will be for this
country.

Hillary has all the chances in the World to have pulled this off
and she failed, she had double digits lead in each and every states
but failed to use her advantage, her failure is Obamas fault, the
real advantage Hillary has is Obama is playing nice, if it was
politics as usual we would not be having this conversation.

Remember that.....

But our nation deserves better. But if you want to keep your eyes shut ... fine. But I've been involved too long to be silent now, when we have a chance to avoid this mistake.

because if I jump to conclusion I would think that your point is Hillary would
make a better President than Obama because she is a woman, I'm hoping thats not
what you are saying.

job in the Senate, won over the conservative voters of my state and brings a wealth of white house experience. You gotta get your head out of the gonads ...

What? :eyes:

Please don't tell me about sniper fire, NAFTA, Ireland peace deal in that case
every boxers wife should become a boxer, how about that or maybe you should
do the job your husband is doing because you have experience sleeping with
him....:eyes:

everyone on this message board tolerates it
FROM YOU!

Thank God Maya had such an involved caring big brother. Many kids who come from broken families get depressed and become underachievers. This I know for a fact.

Yup. Pushing a younger sibling to live up to her potential is...um...bullying.:eyes:

Typical hypocrisy from the Clinton side.
And ya know what - I've had enough of you. Welcome to my "I" list. Ta!

In a few months, you'll be calling him President.

Blaming on sexism is pathetically weak. next time, she should try lying less.

I would like to know this.

campaign and now that her super tuesday strategy failed, she is improvising. She's lousy at improvising. all the people who didn't vote for her aren't sexist and all the talking heads discussing her assinine bungled campaign aren't sexist. she failed on her own.

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NT!

Actually it is her all fault. And if you really think Obama's mean and hateful, you need to become acquainted with a friend of mine: reality.

Then again, if you forgot the "sarcasm" - good one! It's both delusional and funny!

you'd like to back that up with any examples?

She had:

* Name recognition (Clinton™ )
* A record as senator of a major American state
* Media declaring her the winner before voting even started
* A very popular Democratic husband and highly-paid speaker to stump for her


Obama had:

* A name similar to "Osama" (the GOP loves harping on that)
* A record as senator of a less-famous Midwestern state
* Media writing him off as a novelty
* A spouse previously known as "Michelle who?"

In other words, HRC had all the advantages, but she destroyed them all by being untruthful and nasty in her campaigning. Sorry, but it was her mouth, not her ovaries, that derailed her campaign.

She fought for it and lost. No dishonor in that. And she did not lose because of sexism.

I wonder if my sisters feel the same way.

And has suffered through the other incidents. I think he's happy to keep me now while I do grad school ... he know the boys got to live @ home while I supported myself. After all, if my father couldn't choose my husband ... his way or the highway and I have no regrets.

Not easy to share.

and there we have the root-cause of your man-hating. Problems with Daddy, and all men are bastards and are trying to oppress you. And any woman, no matter how dishonest, racist, elitist and selfish, and no matter how insanely overprivileged, who doesn't succeed at something, is the victim of sexism. Project much?

:thumbsdown:

And still best friends w/the boy I married. My father survived Hitler; I forgive him everything he did to my brothers ... he never touched me in anger.

Project? I'm a successful CTO who cheerfully mentors others in a cruel world. Hard to share, but the kids adore me.

The case against Computer Factory was open and shut ... so I was victimized. But a victim? Not me ... I'm a first generation removed from that kind of suffering.

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principle ...

they climb higher everyday.

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against us in elite schools? We haven't

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For a very long time, schools, factories, shops, and many other institutions both commercial and noncommercial were careful not to exceed their quota of zero blacks.

And when I tried to enroll African American drivers in Computer Factory technical training classes, I was let go. Never mind that I settled my discrimination suit ... I was standing up for them.

That's the reality.

If you don't think that a white woman with a middle to upper middle class upbringing
who went to Wellesley and then to Yale Law doesn't have much more opportunity than the majority of men in this country
then your benchmarks are skewed.

losing to somebody with a very thin resume?

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1. Support for the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq
2. Support for Kyl-Lieberman
3. She ran as the 'inevitable candidate,' turning off many Democratic voters. She was in essence running as an incumbent at a time when people are sick of incumbents.
4. Her campaign was poorly run, wasted money, and did not have contingency plans in case something went wrong.
5. Her attempts at triangulation have been obvious and poorly executed.
6. Her campaign was too negative. She attacked other Democrats instead of attacking McCain.
7. She did not vigorously contest the caucus states.

There will probably be other reasons, once this campaign is over with and the post-mortem begins.

Simple as that.

just guessing.

you are kidding right?

She has a thinner resume than either Richardson or Biden and they both lost too. An election is not just about a resume and she's not losing just because she's a woman.

I would argue that her credentials are not nearly as impressive as some other candidates who dropped out of the primary race.

I'm not supporting Clinton despite her gender. As I just wrote in another thread, she didn't lose because she's a woman, she lost because she's morally bankrupt. I'm tired of the "poor pitiful me" routine by women - it puts the equality argument back about 30 years.

because of her positions, she lost my respect through the manner in which she allowed her campaign to be run AND how she is using our gender for sympathy. As a woman, I find that very offensive.

First of all, welcome to DU! :hi:

It is offensive and it makes a mockery of the fight for equality. She hasn't come from a position of power and intelligence, she's come from a position of whining and deceit.

:grr:

:thumbsup:

It's the beginning of a STREAK i tells ya!

:rofl:

"To vote for Barack Obama."

;)

Apparently the "gender card" has a different set of rules.

their own racism.

(Yes, I know that "postemptive" isn't actually a word, but (a) its addition constitutes a conservative extension of English, and (b) it really should be a word.)

:D

Yup, typical.

The act of writing and publishing and essay, exploiting one's gender to sow division among women voters, that's the betrayal.

Or maybe it's just being a stupid tool.

I go back and forth.

NT!

And using it as a tool.

Everytime I read one of those, "don't mistake me for one of those stupid girls who are voting for Hillary Clinton," essays, I'm reminded of something a good friend once said: anytime you see this much animosity between two women, there's gotta be a dick in there, somewhere.

feminist. :hi:

The whole article makes a lot of sense and I'm a generation older than the writer. I got Free To Be You and Me for my daughter. It sounds like she might be my daughter's age. I don't think it's helpful or necessary to vote or support a candidate entirely based on gender or on race, but I think that since we were presented with a choice between the first woman Democratic nominee and the first African American, either is a huge step in the right direction. As to opportunity - women's were definitely very limited when I came of age, but not as limited as African Americans' on the whole. My mother, born in 1921, graduated from Duke University. True, when she moved to NYC to get into publishing she had to start as a secretary and work her way up to management. That was sexism. No African Americans needed to apply at all, even if no such policy was ever spelled out. That was racism. A generation later, after the Civil Rights Act had passed and the ERA was about not to pass it was much the same. Now it's quite different. Both groups are much more likely to be found in all sorts of jobs that were once closed to them. But let's not pretend that African American men have had it easier than American women. That's just no way true.

and that has nothing to do with gender but rather strength of character

except I was an "any but hilary" when she voted for the IWR without ready the 90 page NIE report. She betrayed her country for political expediency.

Then along came Obama and I got to know him like all the others before me.

The way the attacks are charged, the
particular venom and kind of language
used, are very sexist.

If you have trouble seeing this, look
at the way McCain is treated on this
board in comparison. His views and
record are far worse than Clinton's,
but the rhetoric in regard to those
views and record is entirely different.

Simply expressing disagreement with her
on the issues would do just fine.

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they're just so superior...they read minds...I bet you didn't know that. They can leap tall buildings in a single bound. But they won't be caught in speedos....ever. They're so modest and demure.

No male would ever consider that lots of women and males believe she is the better candidate. No, women are just so silly...they really shouldn't be allowed to vote...it's such a big decision...beyond that of a mere woman.

I suppose I should put up that 'sarcasm' sign..

but you can try this one:

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that your post is completely sexist. If a man wrote that about women, we'd never hear the end of it.

You might try the other team.

Whatever team you're on, I'll take the other.

very same people who are deifying Barack.

:eyes:

nominee.

thinks Carol Mosely Braun was the best candidate for President we've had in years.

Is it ever possible for whiny, self-pitying feminists to take their one-issue goggles off and see reality? Apparently not. (And no, I'm not including all feminists in that category.)

Mosely Brown's campaign turned out, don't we.

so what? Sexists are not Obama's fault any more than racists are Hillary's. Life is unfair for a lot of people. You still have to make a choice in November. If it were two white men would that make it any better? What if black people stayed home or voted GOP because Jesse Jackson lost? It makes no sense.

this race, and there are many here who say it. i will certainly admit that racism exists, and i'm sure it influences some people's votes.

Then she would have had problems.

voting for Obama" testimonials don't count for much when you know that.

don't support equal rights, then that's mighty shitty of you.

have acted against their own equality and advancement for ages, so why should i give some special credence to a pro-Obama testimonial, just because it came from a woman?

Take your hypocritical shit elsewhere.

What a fucking load.

is involved with the failures of Hillary's campaign. Rather than recognizing how far she did come you prefer to blame her loss on her sex. Sad indeed.

have a chance in heck becoming the dem nominee in 2008, but i don't think this is an allegation, i think it's an indisputable fact.

And from judging a few posts up, you wouldn't know an indisputable fact from your ass. You just make shit up that fits your current point of view.

be the dem nominee, all other things being equal? try to keep a straight face while you're saying that.

Is your point that America has a lot of shitty people? Agreed.

If that's not your point, then what is?

I must say that you are far braver than me. I've been avoiding reading this post as I guessed that you would be getting slammed around like a squash ball. You seem to have survived far more intact than I feared, but I still think you exhibited brash courage in the title of your post.

Perhaps it's just my age...

It *did* seem to work out swimmingly well though. :)

I've always wanted a woman to be elected president. But, as the campaign went along, I discovered I liked Obama more than Hillary. I'm not a robot or a ewe. I don't walk in lockstep. I chose the candidate I connected with. Anyone who insists women who don't support Hillary are traitors has become more of a super fan than a voter making a choice.

"See, I don't believe that feminism is about being better than men. I don't believe it's about exclusivity, or about helping only women to advance." Who said that was what feminism is about, other than the author? Why does she seem to think she is unique in believing feminism is about equality?

I do not believe the majority of women voting for Obama are sexist nor do I think the majority of whites voting for Clinton are racist.

I am a woman and would have voted for Edwards over either of the last 2 - so does that make me racist or sexist or both? It's freakin stupid, shallow thinking.

I am, and Obama has never appealed to me in the least.

As a woman, I would love to see a woman president. HRC is not the woman of my choice for that position.

As a human, I would love to see a person of color as president. Obama is not the person of my choice.

While the Obama camp, which is in the majority, derides the Clinton camp for crying sexism, they don't hesitate to attribute every setback and every criticism of Obama to racism. Two sides of the same damned coin.

Sexism and racism are real, and they have been an ugly presence throughout this primary. Racism will continue throughout the GE.

That doesn't subtract from the fact that neither Clinton nor Obama are good choices for POTUS, and that there is plenty of valid criticism that has nothing to do with race, or gender, for both of them.

Please don't say McCain.

While I don't know at this point what my decision will be, I know it will be none of the 3 you mention.

Once the convention is over, I'll mull over my options.

I do not attribute every setback and every criticism of Obama to racism.

I support Barack. He's the nominee, and my 2nd choice.

I'm a U.S. citizen and a member of the middle class (Which is both male and female, and every ethnicity under the sun.)

GE time.

to dictate a persons vote. right on.

:P

but after that disgusting crap you posted yesterday, the McCain blog with the Obama racial breakdown (43% Arab, right), I checked out your website and realized you're a schizoid lunatic.

Ignored. Bye.

Isn't that nice.