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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:24 PM
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Hillary Clinton: ‘This Is Nowhere Near Over’...quote from today.
Clinton: ‘This Is Nowhere Near Over’

Adding a new mathematical twist to her case for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Monday that she had not only won more popular votes than Senator Barack Obama, she had won states totaling far more electoral votes.

“The states that I’ve won total 300 electoral votes,” she told about 300 people in a high school gymnasium in Maysville, the birthplace of the actor George Clooney. “The question is who can win 270 electoral votes? My opponent has won states totaling 217 electoral votes.”

As she has in the past, she discounted Mr. Obama’s victories in caucus states and states likely to vote Republican in November, ticking off Alaska, Utah, Nebraska, Kansas and Idaho. “Many of his votes and delegates come from caucus state which have a relatively low turnout,” she said.

“Right now more people have voted for me than have voted for my opponent,” Mrs. Clinton said, without explaining how she reached that arithmetic certainty. “More people have voted for me than anybody who’s ever run for president before.” (Her campaign later clarified this remark saying Mrs. Clinton was talking about more people voting for her than anyone previously in a Democratic primary.)

She added, “This is nowhere near over. None of us is going to have the delegates we need to get to the nomination” after results from Oregon and Kentucky are tallied on Tuesday.


The nominee is chosen by delegates.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:26 PM
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1. Oh, but it's over, sister......
......deal with it!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:27 PM
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2. "about 300 people in a high school gymnasium" vs. 80,000 in Portland
yup, its over, alright.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:04 PM
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37. Remember the record crowds for Obama in PA?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:38 PM
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53. remember the record crowd Hillary had in that High School Gymnasium/Pickup Truck Bed? No?
Didn't think so.
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:15 AM
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73. or the never before seen....
record number of people that showed up at MSNBC for the pot and pan club. everybody was supposed to show up and beat on skillets and whatnot? :rofl:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:46 AM
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76. oh, they showed up
it was a real riot!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:37 AM
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71. Remember the way Obama stomped Hillary in Philadelphia, where he drew those record crowds?
All politics are local. :hi:
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:11 AM
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72. Kinda says it all....
doesn't it? B-)
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:27 PM
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3. I'm glad I'm younger than Hillary
Maybe I will live long enough to see the day that she is no longer running for President.
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:38 PM
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29. O.M.G.
:rofl: :rofl:
This is worthy of a DUzy award!
:toast:
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:54 PM
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56. HI-FREAKING-LARIOUS! I hope to see that day as well.
I am 38 though, it's not a guarantee.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:06 PM
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63. This is how we'll know there is no afterlife
If there is, she'll come back from the grave to pester super delegates.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:28 PM
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4. Hillary on why large crowds and caucuses don't count
She said Monday that she is the "more progressive candidate" and dismissed the hype surrounding Obama that results in the large crowds like the record rally of an estimated 65,000 he drew in Portland on Sunday afternoon.

Clinton said Obama, who has refused to debate her since they last faced off just before the Pennsylvania primary last month, would "rather just talk to giant crowds than have questions asked."

Later, while speaking to several hundred people in a high school gymnasium, Clinton picked up her campaign's argument that Obama's victories in states that had caucuses instead of primaries are somehow less significant because turnout was lower.

Clinton also revived her pitch that many of the states where he has beaten her, like Alaska, Idaho and Utah, matter less because they would not be competitive for Democrats in November. Anybody "who's really analyzing this" should come to the same conclusions, she said.

link


Embarrassing.


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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:30 PM
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8. But if she would have won the Caucus States.......
.....they would be the Cat's Pyjamas...and nobody would be allowed to dare say otherwise.....getting a little pathetic now - just when I thought she was getting a hold of herself......
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:40 PM
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20. Just WOW
She's gonna become even more hated in GD:P, if that's even possible.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:08 PM
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24. Yes, it is...
embarrassing.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:28 PM
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5. 300 people in the gym
How sad.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:48 PM
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35. How big is an average caucus?
And where is it held?
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:35 PM
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45. Haven't been involved in a caucus in years but when
Obama has a rally with 70,000 - 80,000 potential voters, 300 people in a gym looks sad.

One would wonder why the Clintons can't attract those numbers of people? Perhaps people are sick of what they try to sell.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:59 PM
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50. How many delegates did he get at that rally compared to the average caucus?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:42 PM
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54. Caucuses had unprecedented, record turnout this year.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 04:42 PM by Kittycat
I remember numbers being reported when they were taking place, but can't remember many off hand (I live in a big, blue, midwest, primary state that HIllary doesn't count because we didn't vote for her). Some events were moved outside, because of overflow - other events filled entire convention centers across the state.

ETA: and some caucuses are done by vote in a booth - something to keep in mind ;)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:18 PM
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43. Yeah, but how many Obama supporters were at the gym?
There's no way Obama can win that gym in the General Election.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:29 PM
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6. It's time to Let the Clintons Sink. n/t
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:31 PM
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11. they need to be set adrift
n/t
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:30 PM
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7. Word for word the TPs she parroted to her Bloggers in the Infamous Conference Call. Pathetic.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:31 PM
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9. Goodbye Hillary. Please stop embarrassing yourself like this
If you go down in history books as a joke, you'll have only yourself to blame. This is over.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:50 PM
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49. Hillary can't help herself. She's become a non-stop SNL skit, only we can't change the channel.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:31 PM
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10. Pathetic. On the upside
her misinformation is reaching fewer and fewer people.

I keep wondering why she keeps poisoning the well. 'Tis a puzzlement.

:wtf:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:31 PM
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12. it must be a little closer to over than it was Feb. 5th.
I bet she is giving herself the electoral votes from Texas too, a state she lost by the delegate count, and even that with Rush Limbaugh's help.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:32 PM
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13. I can't believe she's talking electoral votes; intentionally trying to confuse people.
You know, I was all for letting her continue but if she continues to LIE and bash Obama's caucus wins, she needs to be stopped. Everyone needs to quit being nice to her because she's a woman (which is exactly what's happening). If she were a man, she would have been kicked out on her ass already.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:34 PM
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14. Yup, there's the new math.....
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:34 PM
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15. At this point, this woman is nothing but bent on destruction. As a Democrat and a woman...
...I disown her and am ashamed of her. It's sad that the first viable woman candidate for President we've ever had is a delusional narcissist who is out of touch with rules and reality. Because she is a visible female figure, she makes us all (women) look hysterical and crazy - just like she is.

For normal women to separate themselves from this lunatic in the minds of the public and society will be an exercise in futility.

She's done NOTHING but damage to the party, to her own gender, and to the race for the Presidency (except for the Republicans).
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:35 PM
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16. It is 101 days from being over.
August 28th, Hillary, and your game will finally be over.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:16 PM
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41. No...
We are 112 delegates from this being over. And we might just get that by the end of the week.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:35 PM
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51. No...
Delegates (even pledged delegates) can change their minds as much as they want before the primary.

No matter how many pledged delegates Obama has, Hillary can take all summer to work on them.

It ain't over until the convention.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:37 PM
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17. Sigh.
What is there to say? With her every word, she proves how unsuited to public office she is. I will be very surprised if she retains her Senate seat after all this. You can be sure she has sacrificed whatever power her name gave her in the Senate. No Dems will want to be associated with her now.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:38 AM
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69. Hillary is seriously SCARING ME
Beregond, you are sooo right:

"You can be sure she has sacrificed whatever power her name gave her in the Senate. No Dems will want to be associated with her now."

We all NEED for her to go out gracefully so Obama can build up to the GE.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:38 PM
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18. she's completely out of touch with reality.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:39 PM
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19. Veruca Flick has gone around the bend
... with posse in tow.

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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:41 PM
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21. Has she had some kind of a break down to cause this irrational behavior?
Really, there is nothing rational about refusing to face the truth. I noticed that she was more strident today at a gathering.

This is sad.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:43 PM
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22. Holey shit! She and Obama combined win 517 electoral votes!

If their winning the Democratic primary in a given state also means they will win the general election in that state, then they have already won 517 combined electoral votes.

McCain doesn't stand a chance.

:sarcasm:


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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:58 PM
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59. Sweet! Thank god for new math!!!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:46 PM
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23. 300 vs 75,000 now those are some numbers she should crunch
"she told about 300 people in a high school gymnasium in Maysville"
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:00 PM
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61. There were 74,701 people outside!!!
I'm series!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:12 PM
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25. I swear...
...she really is insane.

JMHO
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:14 PM
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26. Therefore, it's nearly over. n/t
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:21 PM
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27. She also said she was under sniper fire in Tuzla, too, but that wasn't true either. Here's a photo
of Hillary confronting one of the Tuzla snipers:



This is not an isolated fib:

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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:38 PM
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28. I try to keep my comments positive about Clinton, but
Edited on Mon May-19-08 02:38 PM by texshelters
what I see now is Clinton as Galum from Lord of the Rings as the nomination gets farther away,
"my precious, my precious!"

I am glad I didn't jump about the Clinton campaign when it started. It is like Clinton is in "Sunset Blvd" playing Norma Desmond: "I AM big. It's the states that got small." It's surreal.

What is she trying to prove here? Read what Barbara Ehrenreich had to say about Clinton's "toughness":
http://www.alternet.org/election08/85633 /

Tex Shelters
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:39 PM
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30. what are these "delegate" thingees you mention & how could they possibly matter?
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:41 PM
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31. “The states that I’ve won total 300 electoral votes”
hahahaha! so fucking what?
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:41 PM
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32. She's so funny! LOL! I didn't know the Hillary Farewell Tour had so many comedy skits.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:45 PM
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33. Hillary is remindind me of Ralph Nader (spoiler) more with each passing day...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:46 PM
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34. Vaudeville Hook! Vaudeville Hook! Vaudeville Hook!
Will someone PLEASE drop the fucking curtain on this shit?
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:57 PM
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36. All I wanted was a pair of gwasses...
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:06 PM
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38. good. maybe somebody can stop the dem party from tanking again in the GE.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 03:07 PM by VotesForWomen
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:13 PM
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39. Where are her friends?
Where are the people who truly care for her? I can't fault her for being not-too-good at math, I'm not that good myself, but it seems like someone who loves her should take her for a walk, do a little 'splaining, hand her a tissue, give her a hug and propose a fabulous vacation.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:37 PM
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46. Yeah, this is kind of like when you are dating that really creepy guy
and nobody tells you until you break up that they thought he was a jerk. REAL friends would risk your wrath and tell you straight up that the guy is a dog (or that your campaign is).
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:10 PM
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64. Don't you hate that duty?
But, better to hear it from someone who cares for you than just keep on taking the punches.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:15 PM
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40. "This is nowhere near over" is what losing candidates say when it's over
Obama:
1,910 now
30 - Oregon
18 - Kentucky
24 - Puerto Rico
8 - Montana
9 - South Dakota
6 - Pelosi Club supers
20 - Add-on supers

That's 2,025.

Even with halving Florida and Michigan, Obama would still have a majority of the pledged delegates, and he'd only need 26 more supers (12%) to reach 2,112.

(2,209 is only if you count 100% of Florida and Michigan, won't happen.)

:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:47 PM
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47. There you go with those phrign numbers again.
:rofl:
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:17 PM
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42. The Obamas need to look out for boiled rabbit
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:20 PM
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44. Well then SHE must be President Already..
What the he'll is Obama doing?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:47 PM
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48. (has hand out) so please contribute to my campaign
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:38 PM
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52. MARK HALPERIN is saying that Clinton/Obama will share the stage in FL on Wed??? I don't have anymore
posts left. Do you all have info about that???
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:44 PM
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55. Wow. I just read that as well.
Interesting development.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:00 PM
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60. They are both coming....but not together.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 05:01 PM by madfloridian
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/05/democrats_retur.html

"Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton plan to be in Florida on Wednesday, but for very different reasons.

Obama, who plans a rally in Tampa and other events Thursday and Friday, is visiting a crucial battleground for the fall election -- the state that decided the 2000 presidential race. Getting within sight of clinching the Democratic nomination, he is already touring key states for the fall. He was in Missouri and Michigan last week.

Clinton, whose campaign just announced her visit, is trying to get Florida's votes and delegates counted to keep alive her hopes for the nomination. She won the Florida primary in January, but the national Democratic Party is not counting the results because the state went out of turn in the nomination calendar."

There has been no word of "sharing" a stage in anything I have heard.

And Howard Dean is here tonight in Tampa with Clinton and Obama big donors. Trying to make the peace, but only Hillary can do that.


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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:27 AM
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75. Will the let you "barrie" some of mine?
:shrug:

:rofl:

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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:55 PM
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57. So basically her argument is...
Obama got more home runs, but she swung at more balls?

Someone needs to tell the senator that we're counting "did" not "almost did"
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:57 PM
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58. Her new electoral vote tactic means nothing!

He'll still win most of the states she won in the GE. She is bringing up stuff that has no bearing on anything.

God. STOP ALREADY!

Stay in the race, fine, but MAKE SOME SENSE FOR CHRISSAKES!!! You're making yourself look more and more stupid.

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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:00 PM
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62. Don't have any words for this - Has to be the Scorpio influence
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:31 AM
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68. She's not just a Scorpio,
either, she's got 3 or 4 planets in Scorpio. She's dragging the name of Scorpio through the mud with all her negative representation.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:36 AM
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70. I assume from your post you know astrology - Scorpio can be the highest of the high or...
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:38 AM by 1776Forever
they can get stuck in the weight of their own misery - it is up to them to fly like the phoenix bird they can be and reach the greatest height - it doesn't have to follow that she becomes President but might lead to just as much influence in the future in other ways.

As stated here at novia:

http://www.novia.net/~aaronk/ast/scorpio.html

Among Scorpio's most important tasks, astrologers say, are ridding themselves of the tendency to be judgmental and tempering their insight with compassion. Those who manage this difficult assignment manifest the virtues of the Phoenix, the redemptive third aspect of the sign.

According to Herodotus, the Phoenix was a beautiful bird seen in Heliopolis, Egypt, where it was a sacred emblem of the Sun. Just as the sun dies in its own fires every night and is reborn each morning, so the Phoenix was believed to undergo continual regeneration, consumed in flames on a pyre, only to rise again from the ashes. Like the Phoenix, Scorpios are survivors. Emotionally they may perish in the ashes of their own destructive nature. But they can also transcend and transform; they can bring forth from the ashes new and shining life. During this phase their intense perceptions will bend toward compassion understanding, rather than judgment. Their eroticism will reach beyond passion, toward love.

Scorpios have the capacity for high spiritual development, but, astrologers say, their path toward it is the most difficult in the zodiac. They must be alchemists, transmuting dark nature and selfish impulse into purified desire, striving to discipline themselves and to curb and channel their great destructive power toward constructive ends.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:15 AM
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78. I do know a bit of astrology and
have watched in horror as she manifests all the negative shit ever written about Scorpios.

Howard Dean and Julia Roberts are Scorpios, too..so they're obviously working on their higher planes.

As all signs have their negatives and positives.

Thanks, 1776Forever
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:58 PM
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65. Watch the video from Countdown where she refers to Karl Rove
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:01 PM
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66. Its time for the Gong!




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:03 AM
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67. Ha Ha, I remember that show.
Long time ago.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:17 AM
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74. Let's not forget that around 17 million people have turned out to vote for Hillary this year.
It's great for Obama that he got a large crowd in Portland on Sunday, but it does not take away from the fact that around 17 million people - most of them lifelong Democrats - have turned out and voted for Hillary up until now.

However you add up the popular vote, the two candidates are pretty much in the same ballpark.

See: www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:33 PM
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77. Let's not forget how we choose a nominee.
That is why I am so angry at her. She has invented new ways of trying to win.

And people are spouting her rhetoric until many are just confused.
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