I am SO SICK OF THIS CRAP

This campaign is mathematically OVER. Yet Hillary and Co. seem hell bent on dragging the whole party down and ensuring a Republican victory in November. And the thing that INFURIATES me is all this talk of appeasement for, and taking it easy on the Hillary gang, then having them whump us upside the head with that mace.

No, there is nothing wrong with trying to mend fences. But the PROBLEM IS that every time we lower our guard and try to reach out, we get whumped up the head with that mace again. That is why I posted that political cartoon -- it fits the picture perfectly.

Just browse GD-P. All the Hillary talking points, ANTAGONISTIC talking points originating from Hillary herself (as was proven with that audio tape posted yesterday) are in full force on GD-P. "We have the popular vote majority". "We will carry the electoral college and Obama won't". Etc., etc. These are ALL issues pointing directly at dragging this out all the way to the convention. I even see the Resko issue being resurrected from the dead. And all the crap from the "Hillary is 44" website indicating that the hardcore Hillary supporters fully intend to sink the whole party (and possibly the country) if their candidate isn't elected.

Oh, and by the way, if you find the cartoon sexist -- too bad, because it was Hillary herself, in her audiotape, who really laid out the claim that she was being assailed because she was a woman and that there was so much sexism involved in the race. (Unfair! I'm just a girl!)

And the final straw -- well, the camel's back broke a long time ago, but here's another straw anyway -- is the Rove involvement. Possibly the biggest criminal in US history, outside of Cheney, and Camp Clinton is listening to him. This man has caused more damage to this country -- from the Texas Gubernatorial elections to the smearing of Max Cleland to the theft of the 2000 and 2004 elections -- and Camp Clinton is taking input from him???

Barring some miracle for Hillary, if she doesn't drop out by June 3rd, I have no choice but to see her as someone actively working to destroy the Democratic Party, whether intentionally or not. If she does drop out (given the math points to no other REASONABLE alternative) I will take it all back. But until this happens -- how in the hell can you "mend fences" with someone trying to wreak havoc on the Democratic Party?

Thank you for letting me rant. I guess the only way I can "mend fences" from this point on is to just ignore the antagonistic talking points originating from the Clinton side.

A final word -- many of the Clinton antagonistic posts would have been appropriate 2 or 3 months ago. Now they only serve to fuel the Republicans. That is why I find them to be such a problem at this point.

and he took input from a hooker's toes.

they make me laugh every time. haha

Such a response would have pissed me off a few months ago. Now I'm like "whatever".

It's spelled "fucking."

and your assumption that I DO tells me a LOT

we aren't mind readers, we can only go by how you behave. poorly.

it's an utter bore.

:grr:

"many of the Clinton antagonistic posts would have been appropriate 2 or 3 months ago. Now they only serve to fuel the Republicans. That is why I find them to be such a problem at this point."

People keep saying it's a matter of how many posts one has to differentiate Dems and Freepers, but they brag that they've been posting in sleeper mode for quite some time. That runs up their number of posts and then they out themselves and start over again.

I think quite a few are simply infatuated with Clinton. Yes, yes, the same can be said about some Obama supporters.

of those who would believe in the power of


It's alive and (while its prognosis is not good) infamous among the Freeper mindset. Watching the Dems devour each other is their sole goal and I would say on some level, we're just buying into it if we think so many Dems suddenly grew this level of animosity.

If it looks like an elephant and talks like an elephant, why is everyone thinking it's a donkey?

Normally civil Dems suddenly over the top? This is just not logical

Obama supporters tend to be more verbose.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sz9VdoHZshA
Warning: Hillary parody

...Clinton just hasn't realized it yet.

It's just the majority of her electorate that haven't realized it yet.

Obama has class, so he wouldn't do such a thing.

:nopity:

--the 'commander in chief.' By making this the most important part of the job of president, you are pushing a REPUKE frame, so cut it out, 'k? It just so happens that traditional military force is utterly useless against our most serious security threats anyway.

and OPs dissing the candidate are tombstoned. It's going to be a pretty big cemetary.

If what nameless, faceless people on a discussion board are typing has you this upset, it's probably time for a DU vacation, which is a good thing to do now and then.

You know -- maybe both sides are just convinced that only their candidate will get us out of the Bush nightmare. Maybe that is why the fighting gets so intense.

I'm the worst about that. But sometimes I do force myself to stay away for a bit and instead walk the dogs, putter around in the yard, or whatever. It's nice for perspective.

Don't cry for me Puerto Rico.

All they care about is keeping power for themselves, at all costs.

I think we need a "Poltergeist" theme:

Follow the light, Hilary Supporter Ann (or Andy). You were never good at math, but that's okay. Follow the light and no one will judge you for it. Hey, the light is over here. Can you see it?

Alright, you are good at math and you know you're fucked. So just follow the light and wake up. We still love you, Hilary Supporter Ann (or Andy). Follow the light.

Is your (can't-mathematically-or-popularly win the nomination) candidate's pride that enormous to you? I guess it is. The flashlight was in your face over a month ago and you were just as "blind" then as now. But you can still follow the light Hilary Supporter Ann (or Andy). The light still loves you very much. And if you get over it by 5/22, the light will even rim you. Keep in mind this is time sensitive deadline.

Ask yourself, "What will be left of our country after a 4 year continuation of * under McCain?" I don't think there will be much to comeback to and that's if there is any reason.

That's why there is a reason to follow the light now, Hilary Supporter Ann (or Andy). If you don't, we're all fucked and there is no more light. Yes we love you, but you do really annoy us under these circumstances. (You stupid bitch. And that goes for Andy, too.)

Light is light. To see it is another thing altogether.

Any right wingers who stroke their egos.

They really need to be pulled out of the way right now. For their good, and the good of the country..

and I honestly wonder if she were a man would she be getting a pass on this delusional bullshit. I'm starting to be offended at the constant cries of sexism from her supporters whenever it is suggested she should bow out, it isn't about her gender, it's about reality. But God forbid anyone suggest she should STOP, lest they be called a sexist. The newest tactic is to point out Ted Kennedy's taking it all the way to the convention in 1980 (and we all know how well that turned out) as some sort of vindication for Hillary's "fighting spirit" etc. As a woman, I call bullshit. It's not sexism, it's reality, it's not because no one wants a woman to be president, it's just that this woman didn't get the job done. I especially don't want our first woman president to get the nomination because they changed the rules!!!

that she is winning the popular vote and she can win the electoral college both can be backed up without Rove's help and they are

perfectly acceptable arguments to make. Just because they bother you does not make them antagonistic.

She is a possible nominee of our party and you are willfully trying to damage her in the GE with right wing attacks.

but right now she's simply, er, stretching the truth. She is not a possible nominee. She's done. If she's a possible nominee then you won't have any problem at all explaining to me how she gets there. And leave out the asteroid hits Obama nonsense. The SDs clearly want NOTHING to do with her. She's 200 delegates in back of Obama. By tomorrow this time Obama will be only 50 away from 2025, and nothing the RBC does will change the fact that Obama will be the nominee in less than 3 weeks. It's ridiculous to keep talking like she has a chance.

First off, Obama is winning the popular vote. (not that it matters) Hillary is not even remotely close. If you want to disenfranchise all those caucus states, and count MI & FL he STILL wins the popular vote. It's not stretching the truth, it's flat out lying!

Second, don't even play the "rovian attack" card bull sh*t. The ONLY candidate using that is Hillary. So please, stop the "we'll use it and blame them for it" tactic. It doesn't work.

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That wouldn't antagonize.

Fucking spare me your whining bitchfest, okay? You have to be a complete moron to look at GDP and actually come up with Obama as the one being stomped on.

We're almost there and though this is excruciating for all of us it'll be over soon. (I hope) :hug:

Let the Clinton people vent thier frustration if it is what they need to do to heal.

The DU mods will cut this off eventually, and the ones who can't get over it will be old news.

All of them are out in force, from the deluded to the asshat, the hypocrtical to the one who most likey are on the payroll.

And of course many of the honest supporters to...I feel for them.

Can almost hear your feet stompin...

Who the F has been whining and complaining about virtually everything dealing with the primaries for the last 3 months?

Whine: Little states don't count!
Whine: Caucuses don't count!
Whine: Sexism sexism sexism!
Whine: Obama is using race unfairly!
Whine: If only all voters were low income white voters!
Whine: If you use our math, we have the most votes!

Add some Rush Limburger cheese and Hillary could start her own Whine and Cheese Party.

Whine: when republicans vote for Obama it's because he's reaching out but when they vote for Hillary it's because rush limbaugh told them to.
Whine: racism, racism racism!
Whine: Michigan and Florida broke the rules but if the super delegates follow the rules and vote for the candidate with fewer pledged delegates, we'll raise unholy hell about it.
Whine: If Hillary supporters don't vote for Barack Obama in the GE they're traitors but if Barack Obama supporters don't vote for Hillary in the GE, they're just being good Democrats.
Whine: When white people vote for Hillary, they're inbred tobacco chewing racists but when black people vote for Obama, it has nothing to do with his race.
Whine: When Hillary or her supporters take off the gloves it's unacceptable but when Barack Obama or his supporters take off the gloves it's "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen".

Rather than having this post deleted, I'll just end it right here and not tell you what you can do with your projection.

Oh -- your post. I thought you meant the whole thread.

"Whine: when republicans vote for Obama it's because he's reaching out but when they vote for Hillary it's because rush limbaugh told them to."

The statistics show what really happened with Rush's operation chaos. There was a minor influx of Republican votes for Obama, then a flood of Republican votes for Hillary after Rush started his operation chaos. You fail.

"Whine: racism, racism racism!"

You got a tape of Obama saying this the same way we have a tape of Hillary instructing her followers to scream sexism? You fail.

"Whine: Michigan and Florida broke the rules but if the super delegates follow the rules and vote for the candidate with fewer pledged delegates, we'll raise unholy hell about it."

We'll see how this turns out (and are, in fact, already seeing it -- Supes voting their conscience) and I don't think you will like the results.

"Whine: If Hillary supporters don't vote for Barack Obama in the GE they're traitors but if Barack Obama supporters don't vote for Hillary in the GE, they're just being good Democrats."

Who the hell said this about Obama supporters??? Did you just pull this out of your ass?

"Whine: When white people vote for Hillary, they're inbred tobacco chewing racists but when black people vote for Obama, it has nothing to do with his race."

No, there are a LOT of white people voting for Obama, as you will see with the Oregon vote today.

"Whine: When Hillary or her supporters take off the gloves it's unacceptable but when Barack Obama or his supporters take off the gloves it's "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen"."

This is the funniest one of all!!! Exactly who was it that said "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"? It was Hillary, not Obama. Just proves my projection point.

funny thing that. Hey, where are you, I can't see you.

Pro-choice Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council#Positions

Maybe they wandered into the wrong party.:shrug:

I'm sure the Repugs would LOVE to have her run against Obama for their side.

Tell us again why we need to be forced to nominate the weaker candidate, just because he's a man.

what the collective mental health problem should be called...

no one FORCED you to do anything...the PARTY voted...and the PARTY has made its choice...you can always leave the party if you don't like it...no one is FORCING you to stay...

Now you're saying that the goal is to be stronger against McCain in the polls.

I'm so confused.

Was Hillary aware of the whole delegates thing when this whole primary season started?

Was she aware that Florida and Michigan wouldn't have their delegates seated before the primaries there?

Maybe she lost the memos...

ya know, if hillary had run a better campaign, considering she came into this race with the name recongnition, the money, and the media calling her inevitable, she might have been the nominee. But instead, she was not adaptable to the situation as it developed, couldn't quite figure out which voice she needed to win, and then when February 5th came and she hadn't beat everyone, she had to scramble because she was broke and hadn't planned to have to fight for votes. So she can try to blame anyone else all she wants, but the fact of the matter is that the only person to blame for her predicament right now is herself.

she polls high in untrustworthiness. Quit trying to make it a sexest issue, typical example of Hillary's divisive tactics picked up by her minions. x(

:eyes:

I've been saying this for months now. I'm glad to see people are finally starting to get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6krf18huA I dare you...YOU wondetr WHY mid Amereica can't stand you IDOL??? Watch this!

i find this "idol" talk to be among the more offensive epithets hurled by haters...as far as i can tell, there is only one candidate in this race whose supporters follow blindly depite all reason and logic and THAT candidate isn't Obama...cause see...HE WON...deal with it...

This is hillarious. Nice cartoon assemblage. Not only does that last one not make sense, it makes the whole lot of them moot. LOL

The top ones show the weight of the the Rev. Wright burden and his assault by the MSM on the issue, and then in the ultimate flip-flop a lame Repuke cartoon implying the MSM loves him. :wtf:

I understand logic is not a big ingredient in McClinton's arsenal but I expected a better effort than that.

And the 'crazy ex-preacher' angle continues to be the only 'scandal' they can think of.

to reach out in the way that you call "appeasement."

Too bad you don't trust him.

And he also said today that HRC has been the target of sexist attacks in the campaign.

But you apparently think you know better.

P.S. I'm not in the Clinton camp.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4895145&page=1

Sen. Barack Obama said today that he agrees with Sen. Hillary Clinton that she has faced some sexism in the media coverage of her campaign.

"No doubt there are certain burdens for Sen. Clinton running as a formidable but first-time front-runner as a woman in the same way I've got to deal with some issues as an African-American," Obama told ABC's Jake Tapper.

"There is no doubt that there have been occasions where Sen. Clinton has had to overcome particular hurdles, and that is part of the groundbreaking nature of her campaign," he said.

:thumbsup:

Barak will get the nomination, of course.

Hillary will shut up and move into the shadows.

Barak will square away with McCain... and lose, miserably.

Hillary will have the biggest "I TOLD YOU SO" in the history of Democratic Party.

GO back to your fake psychic business Eddie.

Barak will get the nomination, of course.

Hillary will shut up and move into the shadows.

Barak will square away with McCain... and lose, miserably.

Hillary will have the biggest "I TOLD YOU SO" in the history of Democratic Party.

You know, of course, that you aren't getting paid this week with that $20 million campaign debt, right?

You must have the same broken crystal ball MCSame has for Iraq.


:shrug:

Not very funny, and redundant. Three of them about Reverend Wright, not about him. And the cartoon about the MSM just doesn't make much sense.

Truth be told, I think Obama just isn't someone easy to caricature. George Bush? Oh yeah. McCain? They're going to have a field day.

I can't understand why Obama supporters get "off" over Hillary... What is it about her staying in and losing that just bugs the hell out of you? :shrug:

It's the incredible freaking damage she is causing by doing so.

:shrug: Those who are voting for her aren't necessarily "stealing votes" from Obama ...so who is the damage to? Getting all those voters out for Democratic Candidates is a very good thing. It strengthens the Party not damages it, imho.

I call it 10, ooo new Democrats in my state, a voter turnout of over 70% in our party today and a contest close enough to gain and hold attention for a win in November. Every Primary should look like this. Every cycle should make more Democrats and convert districts from Red to Blue in advance of the General Election. Kerry was a fast pick, no one really wanted to vote for him and he lost. Yes, he is not the President. This time millions are feeling passionate about the candidates. Donating and being active. This time we win.
Too much media and not enough street time makes it look like something it is not. This is a day and a cycle that should bring joy to the hearts of all Democrats. No damage is being done to anyone, in fact, every day of this Primary thus far has done nothing but help our eventual nominee.
So, sure it annoys those on the sidelines and those who voted months ago, but so what? I want to win in November. The Super delegates could have spoken up and shut it down, if there was incredible freaking damage being done. But they see the actuality, which is the opposite of damage. We are laying a groundwork for victory. If it annoys you too much, there are many down ticket Democrats who could use your attention and energy. Besides, it is almost over now, and once we take the White House and increase our majority in Congress, all of this will look very much worth it. Frankly, as real elections with real choices go, this one is child's play and sweet as pie. Democracy looks like an argument until there is consensus.

If someone's sick of it, I guess that's tough shit.

can't take any more of Hillary's whining and justification for destroying our partyl. :mad:

Just logged on top say that if roles were reversed there is NO way in hell that hillary would stand to have Barack still in the race- she would demand he step out. If she were a white man he would have been done after super tuesday. BUT since she is hillary she is still in this.......

Who is the one with delusional supporters?

look at what's going on and not come to their own conclusions? Do you really think they have to read DU to get their talking points or are you just trying to suppress the voice of those who don't agree? Why go to websites of the opposition if they irritate you?