Hillary Clinton will never concede and this is all about her run for 2012

She'll lose the nomination yes but will she concede and help Senator Obama win the nomination? No. Judging by her actions of the last few days and by such key supporters of hers such as Geraldine Ferraro saying they may note vote for Senator Obama, by claiming a popular vote victory by counting the soviet style election that took place with only her name and Dennis Kucinich's on the ballot and assuming that no one in Michigan intended to vote for Senator Obama, by launching an attack on the legiitmacy of Senator Obama's caucus victories, by laying the groundwork to quietly whisper that Senator Obama stole the nomination from her because she would have had it if Michigan and Florida were seated and by even going to Florida tommorow to rail against the Democratic party and against Obama demanding that they count an election that was clearly against the rules. Her minions are busy spinning. Her campaign shows zero signs of getting ready to concede.

Please be under no illusions. Senator Clinton will take this all the way to the 1st ballot in Denver. It'll be a repeat of 1980. Senator Obama will have trouble finding her on the stage after his win just like President Carter had trouble finding Senator Kennedy on the stage. She and her minions will whisper to the press all general election season long about all the mistakes they perceive Senator Obama to be making hoping against hope that Senator Obama loses.

Senator Clinton will do NOTHING to unite this party should she lose. She'll take it all the way to the convention and she'll perfunctorily campaign for Senator Obama AT BEST after. She's not a team player. This is all about her. Even in the 1990s, the Clintons were good for 1 thing only. The Clintons were good for the Clintons and the Clintons alone while we lost dozens of governorships, house and senate seats.

Bill and Hillary Clinton care about one thing and one thing alone: Themselves.

and she can kiss her dreams of being President goodbye.

and I'm sorry for being blunt but all this bullshit about leading in the popular vote if she doesn't plan to take it to the bitter end on August 28th? Also, saying 2,209 delegates is the winning margin as well. Etc. etc.

That will put to bed this 2,209 crap.

Soo if she wants to get her digs in against Obama and spread the idea that the nomination was really still up for grabs after Oregon and that she was unfairly forced out of the race, she'll need to do most of her poison spreading now and in the near term. Maintaining the pretense that she could somehow take a viable candidacy all the way to the convention would be necessary to create the "we wuz robbed!" mythology.

You're spot on, too.

I'm not saying this as flamebait. Anyone who saw how hard the Clintons fought during impeachment, post 1994, in the 1992 campaign crisis, etc., can tell that they will never surrender.

she's battling the forces of the Cult and unlike your claim that she only cares about herself, cult members care only about everybody in the universe except themselves and their God. Thanks for the Tuesday Morning chuckle. I HOPE you all continue to post in the sincere effort to UNIFY us all.

the Democratic party you have got another thing coming. She is still as hapless as her war vote suggests she is.

She IS trying to sabotage Obama, BUT....she will NEVER...EVER get the nomination for Prez in the Democratic Party after this year...she has made so many enemies, she is lucky she retains her Senate seat....she has a lot of work to do just to stay viable as a Senator....she can sabotage all she wants....the SPINELESS Dem leadership has let her get away with all of her racist crap, that they ARE PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ....they better get their act together, the ClintonS are megalomaniacs.........they are hiddeous, I can't believe we ever defended them...

After a 16 month primary, Al Gore still isn't sure which candidate he supports according to a new article today.

she will find party support hard to come by later. If he wins, it is almost impossible to run against your own incumbent in 2012. Should she drop out to run as an independent, she can forget about winning her next Senate election.
As I see it, the best scenario for her is to be seen valiantly supporting Obama, but McCain to win the general election. That way, she gets to run again in four years, (maybe) without having pissed the party off too much. If she plans to undermine Obama in the GE, it will be subtle, without her fingerprints on any actions.
As for the Clintons caring only about themselves, that has always been the case. To them, loyalty flows only one way; toward them.

Where did all the Clinton love go? In the 1990's Dems seemed united that he was a great president, and that the country was great under him. Now so many people are bashing the Clintons. Why? Just because they dare to campaign against your darling?

I think he was a good president. I am disgusted with Hillary's campaign tactics, particularly since she is a strong candidate who didn't need to resort to negatives and tearing down her opponent. Her campaign would have been more successful, and she could have been the nominee, had she campaigned on her strengths and not stooped to Republican tactics that turned many people away from her.

But I do not believe that carries over to his wife. Sen. Clinton came into this race with high negatives, and has only made it worse as she's gone on.

His wife is, and they're different people.

Furthermore, Clinton's made a real jackass of himself lately.

Furthermore, Obama's campaign is far more like Clinton's in '92 then Hillary's is now.

Furthermore, Clinton spent 6 years as a lame duck. His presidency wasn't all that great.

Factories shut down. Fast Cash places everywhere. NAFTA affected my home area in a BIG way.

Bill Clinton ran as a progressive and governed as a fiscal conservative. He betrayed the party and put us through a HUGE scandal.

So, yeah, no love. Sorry. I know you'd like to pigeonhole me with some sort of Obama worship, but if it wasn't Obama, I'd vote for another Democratic alternative. Period.

Her different persona each primary, overstating her experience in ways that hurt her, using feminism and not helping it or respecting it?

I am so tried of Barack Obama not getting the respect he deserves for the winning he has been doing, against all odds. The NC win and photo finish in IN was huge after all that preceded. His no drama Obama temperament, and really thoughtful and deep understanding of so many issues, yet still an incredible communicator.

There are many more ways to say OH, PA, TX should have been bigger for Hillary, who never polls beyond the 40s she started with.

What makes anyone think Hillary deserves another shot in 2012, or are the Dem leadership treading way too carefully out of fear or respect?

John Kerry probably won, but for lack of support among the party during the campaign or in securing the infrastructure and polls leading up to the election. A campaign that the Clintonistas during and immediately insulted, that seems far better than theirs and in comparison. His primary team was great, but adding others who didn't know about him or care about him remind us of the challenge we face again.

His help to Obama has been amazingly smart and strong, being on board early, and his initial words on the Iran dust-up perfect. Many here preferred Biden's two words BS slams, but where is the respect and position for statesman and advocate Kerry? But we have to part the waters for Hillary?

Totally lost my patience about this campaign being all about Hillary.

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they care about the country.

If they do not -- if there is any indication that Hillary and her supporters have sabotaged the GE for Obama, I will do everything I can to see that (a) she does not run in 2012 and (b) she loses her Senate seat.

I will work my ass off and donate as much as I can to see that happen. If I have to move to New York and spend three months ringing doorbells, I will do it.

Quite frankly, if we don't get a Democrat in the White House this year, it really won't matter who is elected in 2012. The game will be over by then.

:shrug:

...don't be surprised if she sues the party for the nomination.

right now she doesn't have to.

The time will come when the Dems, including the Clintons, will get behind and support the nominee as expected.

If she didn't do that, it would make her a pariah in the Dem party. She'd lose a lot of power which she cannot afford...especially if she's thinking of running again in the future.

Not supporting the Dem nominee would be a nail in the coffin.

the SDs will end it if she won't concede.

HRC could have handled this with grace, instead she is running for 2012. Please don't let her get away with it. I would hope everyone here will remember what she pulled in 2008 if, should Obama lose, she tries to run again in 2012.

are black people that easy to figure out for you?

or she's gonna pull a Lieberman and run as an independent.

IIRC, aren't there sore loser laws in a bunch of states that would prevent this?

She may realize that she has nothing to gain by trying to sap Obama.

a good thing....Kinda funny though when the presumptive nominee cannot win all the states this late in the campaign. Does kinda show his weakness... Since 2/19 HRC had beaten bho in total delegates and votes and that in and of itself shoudl be a wakeup call to folks. bho cannot win the general election. If you cannot pull in 35 to 40% of the so called blue collar voters in key states a dem must win then it tis over.bho would need an estimated 40 million AA votes nation wide to make up the difference and that will not happen.

--one last time on the first ballot. We can all do the unity thing on the second ballot.