How many people know that Laura Bush killed her first fiance?

His name was Michael Douglas and he was the star football player at their high school. She was drunk and ran a stop sign. Was she aiming for him? She got certainly away with it.

I was just wondering how well known this story it. Some people have criticized Kerry's wife for irrelevant stuff. At least she didn't kill anyone.

but was it determined she was drunk?

She never got nailed for vehicular manslaughter.

was under the influence... but I DIDN'T know it was her fiance... I still wonder how she got that expunged from her criminal record...

The Bush family get a special discount on expunged records...they buy in volume.

If Americans had access to the real records of the Bush crime family, they'd be shocked at what they don't know about them.

Didn't know it was her fiance.
I feel so bad for the family of .... what was the guy's name? Michael Douglas? Such a talented actor. Shame.

-"It's not because I'm in it. It's because it...degrades ..... women.... Which I hate."
-David Brent

that's when she was young and impetuous. :puke: CONservatives have very short memories when it comes to their own. If she was a DEMOCRAT..........well now, that would be a different story. I'm sure the Liberal Press would be all over it 24/7.

just that she ran a stop sign and killed an ex-boyfriend. Is the other stuff verified?

Does anyone have a link the the details of this?

Never heard she was drunk, & heard he was her boyfriend.

OR that he was her former fiancee. Just that she was 17, it was nighttime, she made a colossal mistake, and he was dead. Far be it for me to stick up for Pickles, but I've never heard, from reliable sources, that she was drunk.

Her negligence was the proximate cause of the other driver's death...


The fact that she ran a stop sign does not seem to be in dispute and therefore one would conclude that's a prima facie case of vehicular manslaughter...

I just don't recall reading anything that says she was drunk. In 1963 killing someone while driving drunk may not have been that big of a deal. It's certainly a different story now, thank God.

Doubt but not even to get a ticket...


I have been in an accident (thank God there were no injuries) where I was at fault and I got a ticket for careless driving...

She didn't even get a ticket....

People could actually kill others while drunk driving and get away with it. Seems like it was only in the 1980's, with MADD, that people began to take drunk driving seriously.

Now, they take all kinds of careless driving seriously. I think times were just different today then they were in 1963. It's not right that she got away scot-free, though.

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Why not give us a resource to check this out for ourselves and decide whether or not it's credible.

Otherwise, it's just so much gossip.

I'd like to see verification for the more salacious stuff too....

I'm not saying it absolutely isn't true, but when a plea for a link goes unheeded, you know what that usually means.

in one he was driving a Jeep and in the other, he was in a Corvair.

No offense, but I don't think I'd pass that childbutcher link on to anyone as a credible source.....

NT

that did not reflect drinking as a contributory cause. The Corvair was the vehicle driven by Michael Douglas, as admitted by Pickles.

Often, sites like the negative one have been created by people personally affected, but I cannot say that for sure since about the negative site since I do not know how to track the owner of the website. That site does contain the actual newspaper articles published after the accident. Again, I just sited the link to show that even negative posters do not allege that alcohol was involved.

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Laura, they learned, had been speeding blithely out of town about 8 P.M., east on Farm Road 868, her high school friend Judy Dykes in the passenger seat. She never saw the stop sign. She never saw the other car. She plowed right through that stop sign and slammed hard into the 1962 Corvair coming south and with the right-of-way, on State Road 349, the La Mesa Highway. She was fine, really, the officer assured her parents, but bruised and banged up, and awfully upset. Judy was shaking but unharmed as well. But the boy in the other car, well, the force of the broadside impact was so severe that, well...He never had a chance. Michael Douglas, golden boy of Midland, high school track star, was dead on arrival at Midland Memorial Hospital. The two girls were taken there, too, in another ambulance. Mike Douglas's father had been driving another car behind his son. He saw the entire horrific scene, the explosive beginning of a nightmare that haunted him his whole life.

The front-page story in the Midland Reporter-Telegram was blunt and nonaccusatory. "Police said death was attributed to a broken neck," the paper reported, using that passive voice peculiar to newspaper writing. But the news flew through Midland about whose actions had caused that death.

Killing another person was a tragic, shattering error for a girl to make at seventeen. It was one of those hinges in a life, a moment when destiny shuddered, then lurched in a new direction. In its aftermath, Laura became more cautious and less spontaneous, more inclined to be compassionate, less inclined to judge another person.

What made the crash even more devastating was that the boy Laura killed was no stranger but a good friend of hers, a boy from her crowd. Some said Mike Douglas was her boyfriend. Or had been, or maybe she wanted him to be. ...

Excerpt from “"The Perfect Wife: The Life and Choices of Laura Bush" by Ann Gerhart

http://www.election.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/07/earlyshow/leisure/books/main591951.shtml

If you want to off someone I would think your last weapon of choice would be your car unless you were going to run them over....


It sure is a strange tale....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e1698.htm
05/03/00

Mrs. Bush ran stop sign in fatal crash

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - Details in a 1963 accident report say that Laura Bush, then 17, ran a stop sign in the Texas crash that killed a friend in another car. The report, adding information to previous reports of the crash, was released to The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Mrs. Bush now is the wife of Republican presidential nominee-to-be George W. Bush, the Texas governor.

''It was a very tragic accident that deeply affected the families and was very painful for all involved, including the community at large,'' said Mrs. Bush's spokesman, Andrew Malcolm. ''To this day, Mrs. Bush remains unable to talk about it.''

(more at link...)

If you'd like to find more, google Laura Bush car accident...

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Sounds like a tragic accident.

How people transform this into a drunken rampage and an intentional hit on an ex-boyfriend is beyond me.

She ran a stop sign and killed another motorist... That's a prima facie case of vehicular manslaughter .....

Basically no investagation at all. I'm sure the boyfriend's parents must have loved that. I mention the story if anyone says anything about Teresa or think Laura's great. Just to get them thinking.

Link please....

I can't stand Pickles one bit, but it has NEVER been determined that she was drunk. The accident report says that alcohol was not involved. Her record was expunged when she was 21 because she was 17 at the time, a minor. AND - it was never confirmed that he was her fiance. We know he was her boyfriend and that she's lied about that, but hte fiance thing is pure speculation. Now, having said those things, the whole mess is pretty suspicious. The roads were not slick, as was previously reported. He was not driving a jeep, as was previously reported. She didn't find out who it was at the hospital, as was previously reported. Her boyfriends father was following behind him and saw his son die. :( The whole thing is suspicious, IMO.

To read more, try http://www.childbutcher.com

I still think she got off though from what I have heard and read.

Has anyone every talked to a member of the young man's family?

you could see for miles in any direction. Like no one was on the road. BUT, just coincidently, she ran through the light, broadsided a car and killed her ex-boyfriend who recently dumped her. Just coincidentally, you know. Now if she had been in a accident...okay. If she ran the stop sign and killed a family with three kids..okay. But it just coincidentally was the guy who jilted her shortly before. OHHHHH, and by the way...from the day Bush met her to the day they were married was 3 MONTHS. He was running for office in Texas and they kept calling him a Yankee carpetbagger so he married the local librarian. Now you tell me that Laura is well balanced. No wonder they have her on drugs. She's a nut job and a killer.

THAT would be horrendous!!!

:eyes:

This is something a semi-literate Freep moron posted at one of my other online "dwellings".....

Vote Republican this year, for many reasons
i just wanted to say, i don't see why liberals are always bashing the religious right first of all. This country was founded on religion. When voting this year, just look at the first ladies. Choice A is Laura Bush, she use to be a school teacher, very much first lady material. Then u have billionaire Teresa Kerry, that told some reporter, to "Shove It," after the reporter merely asked a question about what she HAD SAID that same night. Denying that she had said it many times, Teresa Kerry left, then came back minutes later to tell the guy the infamous words.
One last thing everyone in here should look at, including FORD. Why is it, that 3 years after the WTC was hit by two planes, how come now during an election year are they blaming Bush. I mean, if you should blame someone, shouldn't it be Clinton for not doing anthing about Osama and Sadam for 8 years.
Please make the right choice this election year.

God Bless

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both of them, Laura Bush and Michael Douglas.

http://www.dragonflymedia.com/em/em2007/backwoods2007.html

She's no Catherine Zeta Jones



But then again Michael Douglas was a better president than Chimpy....

This is the kind of shit most of us would despise if the other side was doing it.

A) I did read about it in Time or a mainstream mag like that

B) To alledge "murder" is libel and absolutely false since you (all of you) have no fucking idea what was in her head and since she was cleared of charges (and she had no BFEE connections at the time)

C) Drinking-wasn't drinking-that adds to the scandal-oh what a scum she is, however, she wasn't charged with that

D) Leave the wives & kids alone.

E) I feel sorry for her, that's what makes me a Democrat, empathy and compassion for all of God's sorry creatures.

F) Don't you have better things to discuss?

G)It's not relevant to all the REAL and PROVEABLE crimes of W

H) I'm sorry I replied but this shit bugs me because

I) I don't want to act like a Republican

Nt

I get sooooo aggravated with the smear tactics from the Repubs and especially when against Theresa, so it would just be hypocritical to support the vilifying of Laura on very shaky grounds.
Kathy

the young man is dead due to pure negligence, how is that "shaky"? Just like 935 other young Americans are now dead due to hubby's negligence. Is there a pattern here?

"According to friends, Laura was upset about something that had happened at home. She left in the car and picked up her friend Judy Dykes a few blocks away. They drove north out of town and turned east on Farm Road 868, which we called “The Loop.” At the corner of Big Springs, the highway that continues north to Lubbock, Laura ran a stop sign and slammed into the right front of Michael’s southbound 1962 Corvair."

but if you look at this set of facts in a light most favorable to Laura Bush it's vehicular manslaughter...

To then start insinuating that she murdered her fiance while drunk is stretching onto shaky grounds to me.
I want to see Bush defeated as much as anyone, anything that is rock solid true that can help that I am all for. But to spin an accident at the age of 17 to be diabolical murder plots is wrong to me and is a smear tactic that I would be up in arms about if directed to anyone I would vote for, so what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Vehicular Manslaughter maybe, I am not sure of the law on that, but implication of murder on purpose or being drunk when there is no evidence is just dirty pool to me.
Kathy

that the media would have reported it widely had it been a Democrat's wife driving the car that killed the young man. But we shouldn't spread false info, which both the bit about Laura being drunk and the bit about the boy being her fiance seem to be.

Drivers, perhaps especially young drivers, aren't always charged after an accident.

ABout fifteen years ago, one of my students was driving and caused an accident which killed her passenger. There was no alcohol involved, she was just an inexperienced driver, and the accident occurred at a dangerous intersection where there is no traffic light. She may have pulled out onto the highway when she shouldn't have but there wasn't evidence to place charges against her. One death + no alcohol = no charges against the driver, who was 16.

About a year earlier, a former student was drunk and driving on the interstate when he either passed out or fell asleep and ran off onto the shoulder, killing four people in a stalled car. I'm not sure if they called it vehicular manslaughter or vehicular homicide but he got twenty years in prison. Four deaths + alcohol = charges and prison for the driver, who was 18.

I don't think either meant to harm anyone and I think both probably acted carelessly. I don't know if the police made the best decision in either case but that is what happened. I think the presence or absence of alcohol was most important, though I think an 18 year-old will also always get a harsher sentence than a 16 or 17 year-old.
Laura Bush, nee Welch, was 17 and no alcohol was involved when she caused that boy's death.

I disagree....


I was sixteen years old and driving with my mom on Collins Avenue in Miami Beach when I changed lanes without looking... There was a motorcycle cop who had to stop short and wrecked his bike.... Thank God he wasn't serioualy hurt (he didn't require hospitalization)....
I was charged with careless driving resulting in an accident and had to appear in court....


The set of facts in the Laura Bush case seen in the light most favorable to her indicate a prima facie case of vehicular manslaughter exists...

I doubt she would have been put in the hooskow but the fact that she wasn't even charged is shocking...

I had not heard that before. Is this true?

I was shocked and went to look it up it seemed impossible that it could be true and I had not heard of it. Goes to showya eh?

It's all becoming clear.

There was no drinking alleged. I also heard they were just good friends who hung out together in a big group of popular kids.

And apparently she was so traumatized by the incident that she kind of withdrew for months.

Being completely traumatized is the only conceivable reason why anyone would consent to later marry George Walker Bush. So, I tend to believe that version of events.

That's not a real statistic, but I bet it's close.

I doubt he was her fiance; I think she was 17 years old at the time.