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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:30 PM
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Imagine if Obama had said "Whoever HE may be" when talkin' about the nominee.
Yeah, Gerry Ferraro would be on every television screen screaming SEXISM.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:31 PM
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1. And people wonder why Obama takes his time when he speaks.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:41 PM
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5. "Whoever he or SHE may be"...that would've been a good line.
And still would have received a large applause.
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CalGator Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:32 PM
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2. Hillary saying "whoever SHE may be" about the nominee
seemed sexist as hell to me. Just say "they". That is what feminism is about, right? Gender-neutrality?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:37 PM
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4. "they" would be grammatically incorrect however
because of a silly rule about singular nouns and plural pronouns. And it's one of those grammar points that drives me crazy.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:44 PM
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7. There's no need for any anaphoric mechanism there anyway, so who cares?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:46 PM
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8. I was told, in a long ago English class, that "they" was perfectly okay until the mid 19th century
When some butthead grammarian imposed the universal "he" pronoun.

Don't know if it's true or not.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:52 PM
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11. "he," "she," or "he or she" is correct
"they" is not.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:55 PM
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12. Too often "he" is the default.
It's a subtle reinforcement of the idea that males are the default humans and females are the deviants.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:33 PM
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3. And Bill loved that didn't he?

Oooh, how clever Hillary is.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:42 PM
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6. That's sexist! He's racist too! And it's not even in a big state!!
Did I forget anything?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:47 PM
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9. HE-gate. That's what it'd be. n/t
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:48 PM
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10. No, Obama Says, "When I Am President"
Far less entertaining.
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:56 PM
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13. Yeah but the two aren't comparable
All politicians use the 'When I'am president/senator/governor/mayor I'll do this and this' to describe their platform. Its common and widely accepted political speech. To say that she'll keep going until there is a nominee whomever she may be, in the same speech where she is saying the party must unite is quite specifically saying 'my way or the highway'. Don't exuse her, because you know the two aren't the same.
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