It's abundantly clear now. Hillary is after 2012. And the only way to get there is to ensure

a McCain win in 2008.


She'd rather have the Repukes run things for another 4 years than miss her chance in '12.


The solution: Superdelegate Bomb. Tomorrow. BLOW.HER.CAMPAIGN.OUT.OF.THE.WATER.


She's in destructive mode now. Nothing good can come of what she is doing.

The HillocRAT Party.

yeah I think she could go the Lieberman route and run on a third party, seriously. x( :puke:

"Pocketa -- pocketa -- pocketa."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Walter_Mitty

I've seen the movie with Danny Kaye, you make an interesting comparison.

Obama in GE.. according to Kentucky exit polls

all had a chance to watch Obama AND McCaine in action!

Obama to take all 50 states?

She won't be too old.

The absurdity of her reasoning is astounding.
I have no explanation.

It's really depressing to see someone intelligent selling this sort of BS. 8 years of this kind of thing is quite long enough.

Wake up PEOPLE before it is TOO LATE!! HRC is our BEST and ONLY ELECTABLE candidate!!

always has been, always will be

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.... dig up so much old dirt on Hillary that she won't stand a prayer, not to mention her childish tall tails like snipper fire.

We were sold that bill of goods with Kerry and looked what happened. How about just this one time we vote for the best possible candidate? That won't be HRC--she is essentially no different than any other neocon, except that she looks good in pink. I wanted to love her but she has disappointed me too many times.

of denial, lies and manipulation I don't know how any one could trust HRC to run the government in any way that isn't self serving. That's if she was ever to be elected, now or in the future. Sorry.

10% of the people who voted for her this year will be dead in 2012 based on demographics.

Hillary cares only about hillary. she is out to ensure a McCain victory in the GE. She is a despicable, dishonest, back stabbing, self centered sociopath.

As a voting rights activist I could not support Senator Clinton because it was obvious
That she knew all about the issues of the electronic voting machinery and choose not to speak out.

And that she was part and parcel of the reason that Kerry was not encouraged to fight for Ohio.

When people who don't want to understand how crucially fundamental that aspect of her character happens to be, that she would let our country deal with another four L-O-N-G years of George Bush rather than having of Kerry take office in 2004 and deprive her of the chance to run in 2008, I can only feel that such supporters really haven't thought about the issue of the voting machinery carefully, or are naive about Hillary, or BOTH.

I can't defend the name calling of supporters here at DU. But I certainly understand how frustrating it has been to see people blindly follow Senator Clinton.

That is why they are fighting so hard in this primary. They had every conceivable advantage in this election, and they still weren't able to pull off a victory. How the hell are the Clintons going to convince big donors to back her again in 2012, when all of those advantages will be gone? I think that they're going "all in" now because they realize that the circumstances that were so favorable to her in this season, won't ever be there again.

In 2012, her angle would be, "We already tried Obama vs. McCain; that didn't work.....we don't want to make that same mistake again." Besides Obama (if he loses this year), I'm not sure who else in the Democratic Party could be considered a contender.

we all know that the democratic party can NOT win without them. :nuke:

her surrogates claiming sexism as of late as a direct ploy to cripple and deligitimize Obama.

n/t

or I'm leaving a country this irreversibly fucked up.

It has absolutely nothing to do with 2012 and it never has. As soon as the primaries are over, she'll drop out, endorse Obama and we'll move on to the general election.

this baseless charge is getting tiresome

with over the next four years. Big, unprecedented problems inherited from Bush and GOP. Tough job. Even if Obama elected 2009, would she be up for running against him for 2012 dem nomination?

If McCain is pres in 2009-2012 and struggling under burden of major issues, she would have no problem running in 2012.

If Obama is pres in 2009-2012 and struggling under burden of major issues, she could say "I told you so in 2008!" and run

Clinton is not running for 2012. She's running for 2008 and keeping her options open. Her character has always been consistant. She is far too competitive to just write off another presidential election. She might think she's more fit to lead than Obama, but you claiming she's sabotage the Democrats to get there reveals more about your psychological projections than objective political realities.

elections will leave her without her seat in "even the Senate." Hell, her and Bill are abso-fucking-lutely trashing their political reputations much MORE than any GOP mean spirited attack did in the past. They're CRAZY with obsession for what they think is THEIRS - the WH. Get the hook superdelegates?!? :crazy: